If you are not getting by with less sleep then you are NOT becoming MORE RIPPED

[Marty Champions]

actual bodyfat is basically the amount of excess disease you carry around it has NO benefit.

as today i weigh 220 and have been surviving off of 5-6 hours of sleep for a few days and getting lesser by the day.

are far cry from needing 8 hours at 230-240 range and 9 hours at the 260-270

[Red Hook]

actual bodyfat is basically the amount of excess disease you carry around it has NO benefit.

as today i weigh 220 and have been surviving off of 5-6 hours of sleep for a few days and getting lesser by the day.

are far cry from needing 8 hours at 230-240 range and 9 hours at the 260-270

ummm..welcome to real world,where people have jobs and obligations..getting 5-6 hours of sleep is pretty normal   

[Marty Champions]

some cry and whine about insomnia but as you get leaner you need to do more because you have the unlearned ability to do more because you carry around less weight, and if you dont do more you will just be skinny but ripped and not have used your potential

you will adjust to lesser sleep without problems , same with higher activity amounts

[Marty Champions]

ummm..welcome to real world,where people have jobs and obligations..getting 5-6 hours of sleep is pretty normal   

most people that get that sleep are not fit  and do not workout then yes they would only need 5-6 hours of sleep


if i quit working out right now i doubt i would need more than 3 because i would have way too much banked up energy my friend


they are not breaking down much so its no suprises they only need 5-6 when sitting down all day

im on my feet all day and workout like crazy so i require sleep based on that alone, besides non workout reasons to require sleep

[m8]

No matter how much I sleep, I feel like shit.

[Red Hook]

JF, more and more you are sounding like daddywaddy

you need to learn to stay in character   

[Bluto]

TEAM FALCON BROTHERS!

[Deicide]

Wrong; silly nonsense...

With an ever-increasing number of studies finding a direct connection between sleep deprivation and weight gain, it's difficult to deny the cause-and-effect relationship. People who get at least seven hours of sleep per night tend to have less body fat than people who don't. There are, of course, other factors involved in determining who becomes overweight and who doesn't, like food intake, exercise and genes. But sleep is a more integral of the process than most people realize. In a study involving 9,000 people between 1982 and 1984 (NHANES I), researchers found that people who averaged six hours of sleep per night were 27 percent more likely to be overweight than their seven-to-nine hour counterparts; and those averaging five hours of sleep per night were 73 percent more likely to be overweight.

Many people who are sleep deprived don't even know it. Lots of us think there's quite a bit of give in how much sleep a person needs to be healthy and well functioning, but most researchers disagree, putting seven hours as the minimum for all except the very young and the very old. Besides straight numbers, there are a couple of ways to tell if you're sleep deprived, including:

Are you typically drowsy during a good portion of the day, especially the morning?
Are you falling asleep at night in a couple of minutes?
Most non-sleep-deprived people take about 15 minutes to fall asleep at night. Chronic sleepiness and a nearly-instant state of sleep when you get into bed are good indicators that you're not getting enough sleep.
If you are sleep deprived, there are some obvious tie-ins to obesity, like chronic sleepiness making physical activity unlikely. But there are also a number of things going on in your body that could contribute to weight gain. In scientific studies, the most commonly cited effects of sleep deprivation are hormonal disturbances, specifically involving the hormones leptin and ghrelin.

When you don't get enough sleep, your body has too little leptin and too much ghrelin.

The hormone leptin is intricately involved in the regulation of appetite, metabolism and calorie burning. Leptin is the chemical that tells your brain when you're full, when it should start burning up calories and, by extension, when it should create energy for your body to use. It triggers a series of messages and responses that starts in the hypothalamus and ends in the thyroid gland. The thyroid gland controls the way your body stores and uses energy.

During sleep, leptin levels increase, telling your brain you have plenty of energy for the time being and there's no need to trigger the feeling of hunger or the burning of calories. When you don't get enough sleep, you end up with too little leptin in your body, which, through a series of steps, makes your brain think you don't have enough energy for your needs. So your brain tells you you're hungry, even though you don't actually need food at that time, and it takes steps to store the calories you eat as fat so you'll have enough energy the next time you need it. The decrease in leptin brought on by sleep deprivation can result in a constant feeling of hunger and a general slow-down of your metabolism.

The other hormone found to be related to sleep and weight is ghrelin. The purpose of ghrelin is basically the exact opposite of leptin: It tells your brain when you need to eat, when it should stop burning calories and when it should store energy as fat. During sleep, levels of ghrelin decrease, because sleep requires far less energy than being awake does. People who don't sleep enough end up with too much ghrelin in their system, so the body thinks it's hungry and it needs more calories, and it stops burning those calories because it thinks there's a shortage.

Some scientists hypothesize that these hormonal changes that occur during sleep are the result of an evolutionary process that ended up with humans who could survive the food shortages of winters. Traditionally speaking, winters have long nights and little food, and summers have short nights and an abundance of food. With shorter nights comes less sleep, less leptin and more ghrelin, making the body eat as much as possible and save those calories for the long winter ahead. With winter comes more sleep, meaning more leptin and less ghrelin, both of which tell the body it's time to burn those calories it stored during the summer.

Sleep deprivation has also been found to increase levels of stress hormones and resistance to insulin, both of which also contribute to weight gain. Insulin resistance can also lead to type 2 diabetes.

The National Sleep Foundation offers the following tips to help make sure you get enough sleep for your body to function optimally:

Try to aim for seven to nine hours of sleep per night.
Increase your exercise level, but try not to exercise within three hours of your bed time.
Don't ingest caffeine or alcohol near your bed time -- caffeine can keep you awake, and alcohol can disrupt the normal stages of your sleep.

http://health.howstuffworks.com/sleep-obesity.htm

[Deicide]

No matter how much I sleep, I feel like shit.

Je peux pas comprendre, mais moi, je dors guere, l'insomnie quand meme....

[Marty Champions]

i love how people keep telling me im wrong

i own your minds

negative minds are quite the unimpressive

[BroadStreetBruiser]

the more you sleep the quicker you die.

[natural al]

i love how people keep telling me im wrong

i own your minds

negative minds are quite the unimpressive

hey DW...here's a question for you...an honest question not hating.

I've seen you post for months on end about all these things your trying, eating candy bars for energy, working out for hours on end all this stuff and the main theme always seems to be that you want to be totally shredded at 6'6.  YOu always seem to claim that you are working or performing at a much higher level than other "haters" on this site yet you're still not ripped to shreds like you've been talking about for years now.  Why is that?  I mean you seem to have all the answers yet you have to keep asking the same questions.

I'm not saying your in bad shape, I'm saying you seem to be beating your head againts the wall to get in a certain type of condition and it just never seems to happen for you...why is that?

[Red Hook]

Wrong; silly nonsense...
 

http://health.howstuffworks.com/sleep-obesity.htm

it's no wonder that Flex was measured at 0.0000% BF

he gets around 22.5 hours of sleep per day 

[G o a t b o y]

DW is just making this shit up as he goes along.

Somebody post the stoned lawnmower pic.

[Marty Champions]

hey DW...here's a question for you...an honest question not hating.

I've seen you post for months on end about all these things your trying, eating candy bars for energy, working out for hours on end all this stuff and the main theme always seems to be that you want to be totally shredded at 6'6.  YOu always seem to claim that you are working or performing at a much higher level than other "haters" on this site yet you're still not ripped to shreds like you've been talking about for years now.  Why is that?  I mean you seem to have all the answers yet you have to keep asking the same questions.

I'm not saying your in bad shape, I'm saying you seem to be beating your head againts the wall to get in a certain type of condition and it just never seems to happen for you...why is that?

you are the biggest cry baby on this site

im learning as i go, ive gone from one of the most hated to one of the most respected here, you are still with fat and saggy tits and nipps.. hope this helps

you shouldnt worry about me but instead worry about your breast reduction surgery

[natural al]

you are the biggest cry baby on this site

im learning as i go, ive gone from one of the most hated to one of the most respected here, you are still with fat and saggy tits and nipps.. hope this helps

you shouldnt worry about me but instead worry about your breast reduction surgery

wow.  I wasn't even trying and I got you to meltdown.  Really, I wasn't, it was an honest observation and an honest question.  How do you get I'm a crybaby BTW?  what have I cried about?

saggy tits and nips?  c'mon now....

[stormshadow]

actual bodyfat is basically the amount of excess disease you carry around it has NO benefit.

as today i weigh 220 and have been surviving off of 5-6 hours of sleep for a few days and getting lesser by the day.

are far cry from needing 8 hours at 230-240 range and 9 hours at the 260-270

I agree.

I dieted for one show and the last 8 weeks I swear I only needed 3-4 hours of sleep a day.

[warchild]

you are the biggest cry baby on this site

im learning as i go, ive gone from one of the most hated to one of the most respected here, you are still with fat and saggy tits and nipps.. hope this helps

you shouldnt worry about me but instead worry about your breast reduction surgery

Wow, little DW got his feelings hurt....it'll be ok, go hit the pipe you fuckin crackhead and things will get better, if only for a short while

[Spoony Luv]

If you adjust your sleep until you reach just 3 hours a night(like Fake Chest Boy, Trump, Robbins), When you lay down to go to sleep, you will reach stage 4 sleep within 30 minutes..There will be no more laying in bed trying to go to sleep...Your body will just go right to sleep within 5 to 10 minutes...Also a 20 to 30 minute power nap once a day will help you achieve maximum output...But never nap more then 30 minutes at a time...

The Japanese have this stuff down to a science...If you can get your hands on GHB, you can reach stage 4 almost insteadly...

[The Squadfather]

actual bodyfat is basically the amount of excess disease you carry around it has NO benefit.

as today i weigh 220 and have been surviving off of 5-6 hours of sleep for a few days and getting lesser by the day.

are far cry from needing 8 hours at 230-240 range and 9 hours at the 260-270

no one needs 8-9 hours of sleep.

[EL Mariachi]

Wrong; silly nonsense...
 

http://health.howstuffworks.com/sleep-obesity.htm

I call  bullshit on this article. It said that the less you sleep the more hungry you will be trough the day. Is that really so? In my expirience, when i sleap 10 hours i could eat a horse trough the day, but when i sleap 4 hours i lose the appetite and eat twice less then normal. There is a lot of bullshit in science, you jsut cant read it all and assume its correct.

[The Squadfather]

people make me laugh with this whole sleep thing, i could see needeing 8-9 hours if we were active the way we were 150 years ago and working on farms or if you were climbing mountains, running 20 miles a day or digging ditches all day but motherfucckers these days work in an office for 8 hrs. and lift weights 3-4 times a week for an hour and maybe do a little walking on the treadmill a couple of times a week, all you should need is 5 hours sleep MAX if that's all you do.

[EL Mariachi]

people make me laugh with this whole sleep thing, i could see needeing 8-9 hours if we were active the way we were 150 years ago and working on farms or if you were climbing mountains, running 20 miles a day or digging ditches all day but motherfucckers these days work in an office for 8 hrs. and lift weights 3-4 times a week for an hour and maybe do a little walking on the treadmill a couple of times a week, all you should need is 5 hours sleep MAX if that's all you do.

Yeah thats true, expecially with the coffeine/coffee drinking that we do these days, and not to mention the prescribed and unprescribed drugs.

Ive noticed when i sleep 4 hours the 3rd day i feel like shit mentally, got to do with the job pressure i think. If i had a high rolling business right now, i wouldnt give a fuck sleeping just 3 hours a night like fakechestguy.

[Triple-H_2005]

I agree.

I dieted for one show and the last 8 weeks I swear I only needed 3-4 hours of sleep a day.

That's just because you're a ninja.
The Arashigake mind-set gives you an unfair advantage!

[zarathustra]

no offense to anyone, but the idea that someone might need less sleep because their day is less strenuous demonstrates a belief that sleep is about rest.  it isn't.  for that matter, it isn't about the amount of fat your body has either (not that not getting enough sleep won't negatively effect you such that you might gain fat).  actually, we really aren't sure why we sleep.  there are a lot of hypotheses out there, but, right now, we just don't know what sleep is really about.  what we do know is that most of the repair to our bodies is taken care of while we sleep.  outside of that we're still figuring it out.
whatever sleep is about, it isn't about rest.  no matter how much someone rests they still need sleep, or they develop mental deficiencies.