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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #75 on: February 20, 2008, 06:43:00 AM »
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REMEMBER FRIENDS THERE ARE NO WALKING BODYBUILDERS ON EARTH THAT CAN MATCH ARNOLD AND RON ,,THOSE 2 WERE GENETICALLY FRAMED WELL,,AGAIN NOT GENETICS! BUT GENETICALLY FRAMED WELL! IN ADDITION TO PHNOMINAL RESPOND TO HORMONES WITH VERY HIGH TOLARENCE TO ORALS AND SOLUTIONS

  Very high tolerance to orals? Arnold took 2 dianabol a week. I think that hardly qualifies as a "high tolerance for orals". Some bodybuilders nowadays take 20 dianabol a day, or a dose 70 times greater than Arnold did, so according to you they should be all Mr.Olympia, since they have clearly an extremely high tolerance for oral androgens.

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #76 on: February 20, 2008, 06:46:36 AM »
  I have said it before and I'll say it again: a version of Phil Heath with another 50 lbs of muscle and the same symmetry and flat stomach is Mr.Olympia. The problem is that we have no idea if he can pack that amount of mass without becoming an asymmetrical, obese version of himself. That is the big question.

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #77 on: February 20, 2008, 07:16:51 AM »
HEATH beats wolf in legs overall esp from rear ,wolf is a little shallow in the hams and hardness there.structurally wolf is the best there is with jay,but his arm mass dosen't match with heaths due to length and being taller.on top of both games that given day there probably only seperated by 1 place over or under each other that could be depending on  the show 1-2 or olympia 3-4.it could be like the nineties and early 2000's with some good rivarly.cutler is still the benchmark for size and thats what matters in the olympia.there has not been a pretty type physique mr olympia since samir,zane?those days are over.wheeler was supposed to be heir aparent but even he had limitations,coleman did not,esp for hard and conditioned mass.

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #78 on: February 20, 2008, 12:20:11 PM »
NEVER EVER COMPARE THE KID WITH RON COLMAN,,ITS LIKE YOU WILL TAKE THE KID AND COMPARE HIM WITH ARNOLD,,ITS UNHEARD OFF,,PHIL HEATTH DOESNT HAVE THE GENETIC FRAM CAPACITY OR STRENGTH TO EVER BE AT THE LEVEL OF RON COLMAN OR ARNOLD ,,,NOR DOES HE HAVE ANY WOW FACTOR LIKE COLMAN BICEP PEAKS AND COLMAN INCREDIBLE PECS AND WIDNESS,,ARNOLD ALSO HAD THE WOW FACTOR BOTH ARMS AND CHEST ,,ONE OF THEM ITS NOT ENOUGH FOR WOW FACTOR,,

YOU HAVE TO HAVE 2 BODY PARTS FOR WOW FACTOR AND THOSE 2 BODYPARTS BETTER BE HIGH PEACKED WHEN IT COMS TO ARMS AND FULL WIDE AND THICK WHEN IT COMES TO CHEST,,PHIL HEATH HAS NEITHER NO WOW ARMS ONLY SLABS OF DETAILED MUSCLE BUT STILL VERY MUCH SLABS OF MUSCLE AND HIS CHEST IS BAD,,

NEVER THE LESS HEATH WITHIMPROVED CHEST WILL = MR 0 NOW DAYS

REMEMBER FRIENDS THERE ARE NO WALKING BODYBUILDERS ON EARTH THAT CAN MATCH ARNOLD AND RON ,,THOSE 2 WERE GENETICALLY FRAMED WELL,,AGAIN NOT GENETICS! BUT GENETICALLY FRAMED WELL! IN ADDITION TO PHNOMINAL RESPOND TO HORMONES WITH VERY HIGH TOLARENCE TO ORALS AND SOLUTIONS

THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER RON OR ANY BETTER THAN RON SAME AS THERE WAS NEVER BEEN ANOTHER ARNOLD AND NEVER WILL BE

HEATH IS SOMEWHERE AT THE LEVEL OF MELVIN ANTONY ,,CAN MAKE A DECENT O CHAMP ,,BETTER THAN JASON BUT NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT ,,,HEATH  ALSO DOESNT SCREAM STRENGTH ,,WHEN YOU SAW ARNOLD AND RON ENTER A PLACE IT SCREAMS STRNGTH ,,YOU CAN TELL BOTH ARNOLD AND RON IN THEIR RELATIVE TIME WERE AS STRONG AS POWERLIFTERS IF NOT MORE,,INFACT THEY WERE POWERLIFTERS IN MANY WAYS,,DORIAN TOO

I agree with everything you are saying here except I do think Heath's arms do have a wow factor.
You misinterpeted the point I was trying to make.
I was not comparing Heath to Ronnie at all.
(Although after reading my post I can see why you thought I was.)
In my reference to a 2003 Ronnie I was reffering to Wolf
being able to have that dominating structure against his competitors.
I'm not comparing Wolf to Ronnie either. I am comparing Wolf's potential
to have that dominating presence against his competition.

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #79 on: February 20, 2008, 12:28:23 PM »
Front DB - Phil (no contest)

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #80 on: February 20, 2008, 01:20:47 PM »
Damn, those are all top tier BBers and Wolf is owning everyone in that shot!

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #81 on: February 20, 2008, 01:24:07 PM »
bottom line is Heath will look small and narrow when standing next to Wolf.

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #82 on: February 20, 2008, 01:54:32 PM »


Jay maybe right... Wolf looks weird in the front double bis..
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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #83 on: February 20, 2008, 03:41:14 PM »
As good as both of them are, neither one beats this guy:


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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #84 on: February 20, 2008, 03:48:10 PM »


Jay maybe right... Wolf looks weird in the front double bis..

Wish I looked that weird in the front double-bi :o

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #85 on: February 20, 2008, 06:36:27 PM »


  Very high tolerance to orals? Arnold took 2 dianabol a week. I think that hardly qualifies as a "high tolerance for orals". Some bodybuilders nowadays take 20 dianabol a day, or a dose 70 times greater than Arnold did, so according to you they should be all Mr.Olympia, since they have clearly an extremely high tolerance for oral androgens.

you wanted to say arnold took 12 dianabol tablets a day i hope,,it sound like you forgeot the 1 before the 2,,in any case no he didnt use 12 dianabol tablts a day ,,he used 5-6 dianabol tablets very 3-4 hours 5 times a day ,,you do the math,,

no one have used 2 dianabol tablets,,you dont get anything from 2 5 mg diabnabol tablets  beside some hunger and good feel and maybe maintaining of muscle while cutting,,arnold used to take lots of dianmabol while bulking in the 50-100mg a day zone,,which was very good for legit old russian dianabol,,

its true that today we take more but in the 70s you could buy 3 bottles full of dianabol no problems what so ever and just take hand full put it in your walmart viatmins and say its viatmins ,,no one know no one care,,infact today we do same thing ,,we walk in your walmart or whatever store you have in usa and take dianabol infront of every one eyes and no one knows or cares ,,its usually in a viatamin bottle

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #86 on: February 20, 2008, 06:45:45 PM »
GH15, are the generic dinabols produced by south asian countries(india) any good? I hear they produce generics of anavar, test, dinabol, all human grade and as good as european and american counterparts, and without any real restrictions.

Speak on this.

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #87 on: February 20, 2008, 07:11:01 PM »
Everything Phil said was true, but Wolf's shoulder to waist ratio is freaky and it will make Phil lose his presence and if we are talking Oympia then giving it to someone that is 230 over someone who is 280 is highly unlikly in 2008+

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #88 on: February 20, 2008, 07:12:58 PM »
Everything Phil said was true, but Wolf's shoulder to waist ratio is freaky and it will make Phil lose his presence and if we are talking Oympia then giving it to someone that is 230 over someone who is 280 is highly unlikly in 2008+

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #89 on: February 20, 2008, 07:14:31 PM »
His back can only spread so far given his width.  Backs win the O.  Yeah...he can win the Arnold like Dexter, Ray and others.  He isnt as full as Ray, not even close, and doesnt look as nice as Flex or Kevin.  He is somewhere inbetween the two. He should grab 3-4 Arnolds over his career and a couple of 2nd place finishes at the O.  He is excellent, but the O title shouldnt go to overblown swimmers.  Flex didnt get it, he shouldnt either.  He took out alot of 2nd-tier bbers at the Ironman at 216 as he did at the Colorado Pro at 205 or whatever. Cormier and Flex made a career out of $10,000 shows vs 2nd tier guys.
 If Dex is dry...he shouldnt win...just on his chest and lack of balance with those Ronnie Coleman arms on Richard Jones. 

If he wins the O...I'm sorry but it's about his rep vs Vic given he was a D-1 second string ball player, and the IFBB could sell him nice which is good for his bank account.

Jay refends this year.  Vic should win the next 2-3.  F##k the criminal stuff.  NBA, NHL and NFL are full on probation MVPs.  If Wolf doenst mass up or there is a mass monster out there on his way up he should be a 2-4 time O.  Maybe Phil grabs one at the end of someone's reign.     
agree 100%, heath cant be the person that wins the O if flex never did.. i like phil but i dont think he can be a MR O winner. it will always go to the bigger guy, and wolf is a lot bigger (taller and wider).
phil will make a great carreer out of bbing like dex is right now,, he will win a ASC or 3 but never the O title... just my opinion
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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #90 on: February 20, 2008, 07:53:09 PM »
Jebus loves Wolf! It's all about Jebus!
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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #91 on: February 20, 2008, 07:58:58 PM »
agree 100%, heath cant be the person that wins the O if flex never did.. i like phil but i dont think he can be a MR O winner. it will always go to the bigger guy, and wolf is a lot bigger (taller and wider).
phil will make a great carreer out of bbing like dex is right now,, he will win a ASC or 3 but never the O title... just my opinion

Actually...I was thinking a career similar to Shawn.  Right there to knock someone off but coming up short or narrow in Phil's case.
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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #92 on: February 20, 2008, 08:39:41 PM »
I don't think Heath can gain much more mass without screwing his symmetry. Wolf on the other hand has a frame that can carry at least 30 more pounds. He has already proven that he can hold his own with mass monsters. Heath would look like a child next to Jay.
Heath is the next Dexter Jackson.

Very interesting thought.  Seems accurate.

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #93 on: February 20, 2008, 08:42:14 PM »
I think Phil's got better Quads and better, more defined arms.

But Wolf(despite having high lats) is much wider and can carry much more mass than Phil. Plus Dennis' stomach is just as good as Phil's, so you can't make the waist arguement against Dennis.

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #94 on: February 21, 2008, 04:41:13 AM »
I think Phil's got better Quads and better, more defined arms.

But Wolf(despite having high lats) is much wider and can carry much more mass than Phil. Plus Dennis' stomach is just as good as Phil's, so you can't make the waist arguement against Dennis.

Wolf has superior quad sweep...
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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #95 on: February 21, 2008, 04:44:19 AM »
Wish I looked that weird in the front double-bi :o

well, am not saying that he's not carrying enough muscles but the flow of his physique is a "little odd"
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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #96 on: February 21, 2008, 09:32:37 AM »
bottom line is Heath will look small and narrow when standing next to Wolf.

I don't agree! Melvin doesn't look small standing next to Wolf. Heath got pretty much the same size as Melvin accept better arms, legs and chest!

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #97 on: February 21, 2008, 09:35:42 AM »
  I have said it before and I'll say it again: a version of Phil Heath with another 50 lbs of muscle and the same symmetry and flat stomach is Mr.Olympia. The problem is that we have no idea if he can pack that amount of mass without becoming an asymmetrical, obese version of himself. That is the big question.

Phil does NOT need another 50lbs of muscle.

Wake up.

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #98 on: February 21, 2008, 10:54:36 AM »
Phil does NOT need another 50lbs of muscle.

Wake up.
TRUE  and impossible on his frame he will not be able to compete at 270/290 not his trump card,conditioning and full bellies all he needs.

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Re: Phil Heath takes a few shots at Dennis Wolf
« Reply #99 on: February 21, 2008, 11:16:09 AM »
Wolf has the best frame in bodybuilding today.  He's 6 ft tall with Jay Cutler's shoulder width and Phil Heath's waist.  His calves are a weak point along with his lower back, but he can bring those up somewhat.  Structurally, he kills Heath and everyone else right now.