Obama: US troops Scavenging Weapons?

[War-Horse]

Paying more money for worthless people is not my problem.....I'm not paying for a socialist utopia.

Thats what youve been doing for 8 years....

[Dos Equis]

That was the first full debate that I got to see.  Sen. Clinton schooled Sen. Obama, in my opinion.  He's very empty.

I agree.  Not a lot of substance.  And when he does talk substance he's Ted Kennedy. 

[calmus]

Thats what youve been doing for 8 years....

Hahahaha.....great response to a dumb statement. 

HH6 just likes paying millionaires to fuck it all up for the rest of us. 

[Dos Equis]

 

So getting a degree from Degreemill U and serving in combat mean that you can't be a bigot? Hmmm...interesting. If you support him after his ridiculous assertions about Obama's name and religion, you're the one with the "problem."
 

Based on what?  FDRoosevelt did more than fine during the most serious war our country has ever fought. 
   

His health care plan, if implemented, will be a boon to American business because it will lower premiums overall.  Do you realize how crippling to American business health care costs are?  The premiums are so high because we have to pay for the costs of providing care to the uninsured.

The uninsured do not get care until it's too "late," in that it's much more expensive to fix something that's broken.  Better to have a plan that allows preventive care.

Unlike michael Moore's fantasies, most hospitals do not turn away people who need life-saving procedures.  They usually do the procedure and pass the cost on to those who can afford it.  Like businesses. 

About taxes. He said he will reverse Bush's tax cuts, which will put us back at Clinton's level.  My dad has been an oncologist for the last 24 years.  I never once heard him complain about taxes during Clinton's presidency.....so I don't foresee a crippling tax burden under Obama.

Corporations can do a million different things to reduce their tax burden (I know this because of the work I do). I'm not worried about them.


This is extremely naive.  I don't even know where to begin. 

On what basis do you conclude his undergrad and grad degrees are from a diploma mill?  

If you can't understand how a person with military experience would have an advantage over a person without military experience when leading the armed forces then I can't help you.  

There is no way on God's green earth that a government controlled healthcare system is going to save us money.  I don't believe that for one instant.  The federal government is not very efficient.  I think it would be a disaster.  I think we would wind up like Canada, where they take about half of what you earn after your income gets over about $100,000.  

Yeah, corporations do a lot of things to reduce their tax burden, including passing increased costs along to consumers (I know this because of the work I do).

Re your last comment:    

[War-Horse]

BB you know alot about what "wont" work.         Do you have thoughts on what "Will" work??

[Dos Equis]

BB you know alot about what "wont" work.         Do you have thoughts on what "Will" work??

In what context? 

[shootfighter1]

"Just write in Ron Paul on the ballot, when you vote". 

He may not be the most presidential but I agree with more of his ideas than anyone else running.

America was not built on big government and outrageous taxes.  We need to stop excessive government spending by both sides, including inefficient domestic programs and wars that are not necessary.

Obama is an excellent orator and he inspires a wide range of people.  The guy is impressive, no doubt.  But if you look at the details of his platforms, nearly every one involves injecting more taxpayer's $.  I agree something needs to be done about healthcare...but the government does not have to control healthcare.  I like giving tax breaks to companies that do not outsource (Obama & Clinton).  However, Obama does believe in redistribution of wealth, which in many ways, is against the American way of hard work, ambition, creativity, and opportunity.  He is not a moderate democrat...his policies are definitely to the left.

I say create opportunities...real opportunities, but not handouts.

[Dos Equis]

"Just write in Ron Paul on the ballot, when you vote". 

He may not be the most presidential but I agree with more of his ideas than anyone else running.

America was not built on big government and outrageous taxes.  We need to stop excessive government spending by both sides, including inefficient domestic programs and wars that are not necessary.

Obama is an excellent orator and he inspires a wide range of people.  The guy is impressive, no doubt.  But if you look at the details of his platforms, nearly every one involves injecting more taxpayer's $.  I agree something needs to be done about healthcare...but the government does not have to control healthcare.  I like giving tax breaks to companies that do not outsource (Obama & Clinton).  However, Obama does believe in redistribution of wealth, which in many ways, is against the American way of hard work, ambition, creativity, and opportunity.  He is not a moderate democrat...his policies are definitely to the left.

I say create opportunities...real opportunities, but not handouts.

Well said dude.  Where have you been? 

[calmus]

On what basis do you conclude his undergrad and grad degrees are from a diploma mill?

 

Maybe because he thinks and expresses himself like someone who attended one?

If you can't understand how a person with military experience would have an advantage over a person without military experience when leading the armed forces then I can't help you.  

Yeah....whatever.  Some mysterious reason that only the chosen can understand.

There is no way on God's green earth that a government controlled healthcare system is going to save us money.  I don't believe that for one instant.  The federal government is not very efficient.  I think it would be a disaster.  I think we would wind up like Canada, where they take about half of what you earn after your income gets over about $100,000.  

Oh, really? have any studies to back up your "belief"?  The federal government is not going to run the whole system like some foreign governments do.  Obama's plan just calls for the government to provide a floor on coverage, not a ceiling. And it's less radical than Hillary's.  I don't plan to give up any of my coverage, I just want others to have more. 

And where are you getting the "like Canada" part?  He never once said he was going to drastically increase taxes, just that he'd roll back the Bush tax cuts. One more instance of your naivete to think that any Congress would legislate drastic increases.....

Yeah, corporations do a lot of things to reduce their tax burden, including passing increased costs along to consumers (I know this because of the work I do).

Yeah, I'm sure you do lots of cutting edge corporate work in Honolulu. Your broad and accurate generalizations re: the economy have me fully convinced. Why do you give a shit about how the consumer is affected anyway? I thought you were all about making sure big business continued on its merry way.  No new laws, rules, etc.   

[Dos Equis]

 

Maybe because he thinks and expresses himself like someone who attended one?

Yeah....whatever.  Some mysterious reason that only the chosen can understand.

Oh, really? have any studies to back up your "belief"?  The federal government is not going to run the whole system like some foreign governments do.  Obama's plan just calls for the government to provide a floor on coverage, not a ceiling. And it's less radical than Hillary's.  I don't plan to give up any of my coverage, I just want others to have more. 

And where are you getting the "like Canada" part?  He never once said he was going to drastically increase taxes, just that he'd roll back the Bush tax cuts. One more instance of your naivete to think that any Congress would legislate drastic increases.....
Yeah, I'm sure you do lots of cutting edge corporate work in Honolulu. Your broad and accurate generalizations re: the economy have me fully convinced. Why do you give a shit about how the consumer is affected anyway? I thought you were all about making sure big business continued on its merry way.  No new laws, rules, etc.   

Yes, only the chosen can understand how military experience can help someone be Commander in Chief.   

My day-to-day experience tells me the government is inefficient.  How old are you?   

So now you know what kind of work I do?  lol.     You haven't exactly blown me away.  It's not like you're Decker or something . . . .  You spend half your time attacking people’s grammar and spelling.    

I care about consumers and I care about business (with one or two exceptions).  I don't believe we should be pitting anyone against each other.  If government tries to be punitive with business the consumer will suffer.  I happen to be a consumer too, just like everyone else.       

[calmus]

My day-to-day experience tells me the government is inefficient.   

No one's disputing that government is inefficient. Even as inefficient as a government managed system would be, all the studies I've seen indicate that it will still save be more economical than our current system in the long run because of the access to  preventive care. 

But, I'm glad that your day-to-day experience allows you to divine what the results of a new system will be....

Decker suffers fools more than I do (don't know if he does it gladly), so I'm not surprised you prefer his style.  I, on the other hand, get annoyed when people who express themselves like eighth graders pass judgment on their better (Obama). 

[Dos Equis]

No one's disputing that government is inefficient. Even as inefficient as a government managed system would be, all the studies I've seen indicate that it will still save be more economical than our current system in the long run because of the access to  preventive care. 

But, I'm glad that your day-to-day experience allows you to divine what the results of a new system will be....

Decker suffers fools more than I do (don't know if he does it gladly), so I'm not surprised you prefer his style.  I, on the other hand, get annoyed when people who express themselves like eighth graders pass judgment on their better (Obama). 

So the government is inefficient, is nearly bankrupt, but the government can somehow manage the entire healthcare system and save us all money, while ensure everyone gets quality healthcare.  Sorry.  Not buying. 

I have no divine revelation.  Just an opinion.  This is an opinion board, by the way.   

I'm not talking about Decker's style.  I'm talking about substance.  I don't agree with hardly anything he says politically, but he is articulate, smart, and can stick to the issues.  Easy to have exchanges with someone like that.  Much more difficult to take someone seriously who constantly highlights someone's misspelled words or attacks them personally.  You seem like a smart guy, but that gets lost when you do things like become a grammar Nazi, particularly when many of the people on here are trying to work and post at the same time. 

And dude who gives a rip if you get annoyed by things being posted on a friggin message board.  This is an anonymous message board.  If what people say on this board upsets you then you need to rearrange your priorities.     

[calmus]

So the government is inefficient, is nearly bankrupt, but the government can somehow manage the entire healthcare system and save us all money, while ensure everyone gets quality healthcare.  Sorry.  Not buying. 

Yeah, the Republic Kings of deficit spending (REAGAN and Bush II) have left us with a nice legacy... that dynamic will change if the Dems have an iota of sense. It won't be a perfect system, just an improvement on what we have. 

You seem like a smart guy, but that gets lost when you do things like become a grammar Nazi, particularly when many of the people on here are trying to work and post at the same time. 

 If what people say on this board upsets you then you need to rearrange your priorities.   

 

When I'm at work, no matter how busy I am, I still remember how to spell, use basic grammar...etc. I didn't know that was an unusual skill.

On the subway, on planes, at the gym.... I hear the most ignorant crap, and I bite my tongue.  I come on here and read the same bullshit, and I don't bite my tongue. That doesn't mean I have to rearrange my priorities.

[Decker]

No one's disputing that government is inefficient. Even as inefficient as a government managed system would be, all the studies I've seen indicate that it will still save be more economical than our current system in the long run because of the access to  preventive care. 

But, I'm glad that your day-to-day experience allows you to divine what the results of a new system will be....

Decker suffers fools more than I do (don't know if he does it gladly), so I'm not surprised you prefer his style.  I, on the other hand, get annoyed when people who express themselves like eighth graders pass judgment on their better (Obama). 

You should dispute this b/c there is indisputable proof that Social Security provides more benefits with lower administrative costs than those of private insurers.  Administrative costs for the private companies run from 11% upto 19% of assets.  The admin costs for Social Security are less 1% of assets.  And we get so much more from Social Security--Life, retirement, disability, medical protections.

The government is not inefficient just b/c it is the government.  That ol' right wing chestnut dies hard...but it should die.

[calmus]

That ol' right wing chestnut dies hard...but it should die.

Read the first two sentences of that post again. Don't think you would disagree.

[Decker]

Read the first two sentences of that post again. Don't think you would disagree.

Although I used your quote, I didn't think you'd answer.  The stuff I wrote was an 'invitation' to Beach Bum to defend his view.  But you do state that 'no one's disputing that gov. is inefficient...' but that in the case of UHC the gov's inefficiency is better than the privatized services.

I would still disagree with that sentence.  But that's picking nits or nitpicking or whatever the hell it is.