Author Topic: Chris Cook (recent pic)  (Read 50049 times)

gh15

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16991
  • angels
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #125 on: February 28, 2008, 07:30:37 PM »
Juice is 99% of BB. 3 Giant cycles and anyone can look like Phil Heath. 4.5 Huge Cycles and you can give Jay a run. Genetics are a idiotic Myth. Nutrition and Diet have nothing to due with it. Prove of it are the fake weights use by Ronnie and Dorian. Same goes for Roger the Rocket ...10 Kits and you got a shot to break all MLB records.... ::)

no you need a little more as in the ability to tolerate those drugs and the ability to train while on them and eat,,but generaly speaking YES the average bodybuilding if given the time lets say phil heath been on drugs since he is a drug head ,,,lets say you also been on drugs since age 19-20 and had the acess to oil and  bodybuilding was all your life and you were black.....by age 28 you too would be able to poses a pro card or at the worst case top national level competitor fighting for a pro card  like putnam,,,the ones with average genetic repond end up like tropopin and publumbo depneding how bad theire genetic respond is,,,but they usually never get pro card because their muscle respond is not as good and doesnt keep the symetry and development as good as pro symetry and development should be when winning the card
fallen angel

gh15

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16991
  • angels
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #126 on: February 28, 2008, 07:33:43 PM »
Take any bodybuilder off the juice and he will lose most of his size and strength, put a random man on juice and he wont necessarily become a bodybuilder.

The drugs play a huge role at enhancing, but they first need something good to enhance.

(in case anyone missed it,I agree with his point and I detect his sarcasm)

any one can become national competitor depending on the hormones he uses and wether they are legit human grade or not!

any onec an become a professional if they have good symetry and muscle shape and today you can throw the symetry out the window as in mid 2000s you dont even need that,,

foundation is good to have and thats why some bodybuilders still maintain good shape even if smaller past bodybuilding,,,80% not but 20% walk around with good physiqe because they had foundation ,,,this generation of bodybuuiloders by thw way is dissapearing
fallen angel

gh15

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16991
  • angels
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #127 on: February 28, 2008, 07:36:00 PM »
Hes still Alot bigger then the avrage gym dude though

the average gym dude you mean joseph from the local florist shop.....he is not bigger proportionally than any gym rat on hormones i have ever witnessed,,,he is same size as many gym rates that use some test and dianabol at times,,,he is average size this is the definition of average size for a guy on hormones,,,its not bad but it comes to show you that bodybuildng is ALL DRUGS
fallen angel

Van_Bilderass

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16715
  • "Don't Try"
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #128 on: February 28, 2008, 07:43:07 PM »
You always have losers that try to justify their inferiority by execuses, ....drugs,luck,lack of money....The fact is drugs undeniably help athletes but they are unable to change genetics or structure. These are the only two fundamental variables for success. No matter how much Cycles you take you will not look like Phil Heath or Flex ...But makes you feel good to think that "IF" you wanted to you could look like that .....sure....DREAM ON
Milos says anything is possible if you believe enough. Only limitation is your mind!

Quote from: Milos
Accept NO limitations as a limitation! IF YOU THINK SOMETHING - YOU BELIEVE IN IT...
If you think you will fail - you certainly will....
you are letting your mind set limitations for you - so simply DON'T TAKE IT...
You can do anything if you put your mind in right state.
SKY IS THE LIMIT!

Van_Bilderass

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16715
  • "Don't Try"
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #129 on: February 28, 2008, 08:01:32 PM »

The formula for hypertrophy has always been stimulus + nutrition + rest = larger muscles. Many here assume if you include drugs in this formula then larger muscles will result. Where is the evidence that this is true?


LOL, biggest idiot on getbig right here.

Mussolini

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1696
  • riding shotgun on the team Nasser War wagon
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #130 on: February 28, 2008, 08:17:12 PM »
Phil would win

Mabey Phil would beat me, but would a natural Heath beat a guy like Whateva is he had juiced and used everything under the sun for 15 years and Heath had not?


My point is drugs are the biggest factor not genetics,
shotgun on the team

Jerryme7

  • Competitors II
  • Getbig IV
  • *****
  • Posts: 1534
  • Check out www.muscleshoppe.com for the best prices
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #131 on: February 28, 2008, 08:49:21 PM »
Drugs are the biggest factors! Exactly!!

Ive been saying this the whole time.

For those of you who disagree and say that just because a man takes steriods doesnt necessarily mean he will get huge, then explain to me why most women who juice respond very well? Is it because they have more testorone? Wrong!! Its because of the amount they use!!

Steriods do work!!

Im glad gh15 is on here to explain things.

gh15, please explain why most women who juice respond very well especially when women dont produce enough testosterone naturally? Look at the female bodybuilders/figure/fitness/female athletes? We know they take just enough to give them the figure they want...wether they want a figure/fitness/bodybuilder physique .

What are men that juice doing wrong if they arent making any progress?

IFBBwannaB

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 4538
  • BAN stick!
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #132 on: February 28, 2008, 09:51:26 PM »
Some of you miss the point , drugs are the biggest factor because you cant be HUGE and RIPPED without them.
BUT just about ANYONE can get them , we have all seen MANY bodybuilders that abuse TONS of drugs and look like shit (Kamali,Paulombo etc).


gh15

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16991
  • angels
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #133 on: February 28, 2008, 10:10:19 PM »
Mabey Phil would beat me, but would a natural Heath beat a guy like Whateva is he had juiced and used everything under the sun for 15 years and Heath had not?


My point is drugs are the biggest factor not genetics,

you simply need to take picture of phil heath from age 18 -20 and you will see its nothing more than drugs,,he is very small guy with out drugs when it comes to maintinaing single digit ,,,double digit he may be 170lb on a good wet day,,one look into phil heath eyes tell you the whole story about HOW MUCH DRUGS HE IS ON ,,,,the fella a walking pharmacy as of now and you can see the high look in his eyes as sad and as mad as lift studios get out of this it doesnt matter the fact that heath is drugatize to the 10th degree and i wouldnt rull out cocaine! so mr lift studios need to be careful with his support!

now to the main point,,,you naturally and phil heath naturally would be proportionally similar and his muscle bellies wouldnt be a factor beside the arms which will be slightly bigger as in 16-17 inches naturally which is very good infact extremly good for natural,,the thing is when phil heath take the juice and you take the juice he will most likley respond a lot better and thus can go for pro card and you cant ,,but even with all the juice in the world and all the other drugs he is on ,,you probably still have better upper torse than heath,,very very weak and narrow upper torse that only by thickness and condition advanced


no drugs = no phil heath,,nto even local competition win!,,no drugs = no bodybuilding
fallen angel

calmus

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3867
  • Time is luck.
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #134 on: February 28, 2008, 10:14:21 PM »

Drugatize!!!

Spoony Luv

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1385
  • FROM UP ABOVE!!!
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #135 on: February 28, 2008, 10:22:25 PM »
Mabey Phil would beat me, but would a natural Heath beat a guy like Whateva is he had juiced and used everything under the sun for 15 years and Heath had not?


My point is drugs are the biggest factor not genetics,

you have to understand that a natural Phil Heath is a lightweight...If he trained all his life natural and ate 500grams of protein a day for 15 years, he would end up being a contest shape middle weight at the end of the 15 years...Same as Flex Wheeler...These two guys are basically the same...

gh15

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16991
  • angels
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #136 on: February 28, 2008, 10:22:56 PM »
Drugs are the biggest factors! Exactly!!

Ive been saying this the whole time.

For those of you who disagree and say that just because a man takes steriods doesnt necessarily mean he will get huge, then explain to me why most women who juice respond very well? Is it because they have more testorone? Wrong!! Its because of the amount they use!!

Steriods do work!!

Im glad gh15 is on here to explain things.

gh15, please explain why most women who juice respond very well especially when women dont produce enough testosterone naturally? Look at the female bodybuilders/figure/fitness/female athletes? We know they take just enough to give them the figure they want...wether they want a figure/fitness/bodybuilder physique .

What are men that juice doing wrong if they arent making any progress?

there was this woman here a year ago or so some competetive blondie that was arguing gh15 and talked about how much her flax seed oil helped her,,,she didn talk about the testosterone oxandrolone halotestin growth ,,,she didnt mention that more than half of those women are cocaine addicts that find a way from being wild on the narc department to a way of being hooked up on bodybuilding add the hormones and make their bodies manly,,

the dose is important both for woman and for men depending on their lean muscle mass,,but mark the words im tellin you here,,,

bodybuilders are financially stable! and if not their families are! the bodybuilder always aim at colecting the next best thing and ofcourse what always work for him or her,,,its like collecting stamps for a 10 year old,,the bodybuilder and to less extent the power lifter,,always look for ways to add more products into the arsenal in their chase for the 20+ inch arms and the over all development that fail among the ones who are less gifter structure wize,,,plaumbo had shitty structure,,,phil heath has no good structure but a freak and that is enough for this day and age,,greg k was a mess full of hormones in unbeliavble doses,,yet all those still sucked because they didnt have the structure,,,they didnt have the muscle shape,,,they lack tremmmmmendesly in the symety department,,,
in general all bodybuilders develp from the use of drugs,,,the more femiliar you are with drugs ,,,the more consistent you are with drugs ,,,the more you collect them and eat and conssitent in your training....the more youll grow

females are no diff,,the redicoulous claim that female can get down to single digit anything and maintain any mass on them is a BIG LIE,,women fade away with no drugs into the 90-100 lb zone when in true single digits,,women inorder to build muscle mass and get down to single digit take a lot of hormones ,,take a lot of estrogen blockers,,they also use a lot of testosterone which is the only natural hormone that distinguished between male and female,,,

all females in bodybuilding and to be honest figure are = males,,they all use testoerone in some form ,,they wouldnt grow otherwize ,,general public dont see it and cant open their brain to such phenomenon ...they think its flax seed or some oxandrolone,,,in reality a girl like kaethy uses everything under the sun ,,,she is practically a male and so is her clit,,,a girl like monica uses everything under the son ...that includes narcotics,,,and a girl like kim used ENOURMOUS DOSES AND PRODUICTS EQUAL TO ANY MALE BODYBUILDERS OUT THERE

women can not be men with out doing exactly what men are doing only to a higher level since they start as women!
fallen angel

muscularny

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3042
  • Training
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #137 on: February 28, 2008, 10:35:39 PM »
statement of the year...Phil Heath was a decent size middle weight with very good genetics taking what the average guy in the gym takes...Now put him under Cutlers wing and see what can happen...

Flex Wheeler was known for having the best genetics in the sport...This guy's physique was actually a fcking joke back when he used to shave "flex" into the back of his head..Skinny with tiny joints......Just another middle weight with really good genetics taking average amounts of gear...That is until "someone" got him under there wing...

King Kamali has some of the worst genetics of any pro....But guess what, he is a pro...Now that his body is not really responding to hormones, he is being exposed what he always was...JUST ABOUT ALL FUCKING DRUGS...

Its always the dipshits that have there cocks so deep in the HGH/Slin/steroids ass that will stick up for drugs until it all comes tumbling down...

The truth is, you could walk down the streets of Harlem and pick a dozen kids playing hoop under the age of 16, put them under the wing of a Jay Cutler or Joe Weider and if they respond to hormones, they will be a top level bodybuilder by the time they reach there mid to late 20's(of course with dedication)...And it will all come down to how they respond to hormones....Because if they don't respond to hormones, they will just be another skinny middle weight with awesome genetics....So anyone who says drug plays a tiny role is a fcking douch bag of Tom Tognelli proportions and is living in denial..(These people are always the ones who are competing themselves or selling it)

the only guys not responding to hormones are those taking bunk shit, now if your genetic stucture sucks then no drug on this planet can help


Spoony Luv

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1385
  • FROM UP ABOVE!!!
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #138 on: February 28, 2008, 10:47:48 PM »
the only guys not responding to hormones are those taking bunk shit, now if your genetic stucture sucks then no drug on this planet can help



No...I know a few guys who can take 3 Grams of legit gear and only make min/gains...Hell look at Mike Avilla...Even guys like the Rhino...Although Rhino is pretty big, he diff/doesn't respond well to gear...Rumor had it that he played around with over 5 grams at any given time...
 

Tomanater

  • Pros
  • Getbig III
  • *****
  • Posts: 459
  • Eat-Sleep-Train-Grow
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #139 on: February 28, 2008, 10:57:19 PM »
Juice is SO GODDAMN mighty!!! :o
???
I have mad respect for chris and was hanging around and trained  with him when he was competing as both a amatuer and pro.....when chris was a bber he ate,slept,trained,breathed  and lived like a BBer..so duh he looked like a BBer..
POINT IS-------------------you cant look like a pro BBer and train to be a ufc fighter.no matter what your doin..gear,gh or whatever.............
Now he is a fighter................. ........................ ........................ .............''''''' get over it..
Glad to see he is doing what he wants...
peace D

IFBBwannaB

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 4538
  • BAN stick!
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #140 on: February 28, 2008, 11:07:26 PM »
???
I have mad respect for chris and was hanging around and trained  with him when he was competing as both a amatuer and pro.....when chris was a bber he ate,slept,trained,breathed  and lived like a BBer..so duh he looked like a BBer..
POINT IS-------------------you cant look like a pro BBer and train to be a ufc fighter.no matter what your doin..gear,gh or whatever.............
Now he is a fighter................. ........................ ........................ .............''''''' get over it..
Glad to see he is doing what he wants...
peace D


Since you know him so well, can you tell us why he went on being a figther?
I always thought that most of the people who do that have some mental disorder, it takes nothing more than one good hit to the wrong place and all the money you have wont help you.

Tomanater

  • Pros
  • Getbig III
  • *****
  • Posts: 459
  • Eat-Sleep-Train-Grow
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #141 on: February 28, 2008, 11:11:13 PM »
No...I know a few guys who can take 3 Grams of legit gear and only make min/gains...Hell look at Mike Avilla...Even guys like the Rhino...Although Rhino is pretty big, he diff/doesn't respond well to gear...Rumor had it that he played around with over 5 grams at any given time...
 
yep your right..if any tool thinks they can be a good pro if they just do alot of gear then they are a fucken retard..you have to have the right kind of genetics to process all the gear  your doing and ya you need good muscle ty ins,bellies good muscle shape and so on ...that is also genetic................. ........................ .....................am i saying gear doesnt play a huge role ..NO..but if you do not have the genetics to be a good Ber then its simple you DON'T and you never will have no matter how much shit you do...........

Tomanater

  • Pros
  • Getbig III
  • *****
  • Posts: 459
  • Eat-Sleep-Train-Grow
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #142 on: February 28, 2008, 11:16:18 PM »

Since you know him so well, can you tell us why he went on being a figther?
I always thought that most of the people who do that have some mental disorder, it takes nothing more than one good hit to the wrong place and all the money you have wont help you.

your right bro its a intense sport..Iam friends with a couple top world champions that fight in japan and in the ufc....I cant tell you why Chris made that choice.I am sure he has his reasons..But I do know that Chris has allways liked and practiced various martial arts since I have known him. and before.
peace

gh15

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16991
  • angels
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #143 on: February 28, 2008, 11:23:31 PM »
yep your right..if any tool thinks they can be a good pro if they just do alot of gear then they are a fucken retard..you have to have the right kind of genetics to process all the gear  your doing and ya you need good muscle ty ins,bellies good muscle shape and so on ...that is also genetic................. ........................ .....................am i saying gear doesnt play a huge role ..NO..but if you do not have the genetics to be a good Ber then its simple you DON'T and you never have no matter how much shit you do...........

i agree partially with what you say,,but then you have the following:

tropopin,,,palumbo,,,greg k ,,,kamali,,all did nationals ,, 50% of them actually got pro cards,,,kenny got pro card too,,mnay others got to natuional competitors,,,i mean take a look at tropopin muscle shape and tie ins and all ...it is all DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS....so do me a favor put it this way:

you need muscle shape and symery to win a pro card ,,,you need phenominal respond to hormones ,,,you need good strcuture,,all of the above are needed,,,but you also need lots of luck ,,,no injuries,,,LOTS OF DRUGS HUMAN GRADE ONES,,lots of money to spend on those drugs ,,,lots of connection ,,,lots of ability to order those drugs with out getting in trouble,,,lots of disiplne to not become the local town drug dealer,,,lots of disipline to not be a bouncer and start selling x to 18 year olds in clubs,,,lots of foundation from working few years naturally and truely natually,,,you need all this and then the courage to get on stage with yoru underwear and pose and make sure you do everything right that includes the drug regimine,,

EVERY ONE CAN BECOME A NATIONAL COMPETITOR SEE PALUMBO AND TROPOIN ,,
ALMOST EVERY ONE THAT CAN TOLERATE THOSE DRUGS WELL AND KEEP THEIR SYMETRY AND MUSCLE SHAPE IS THERE TO BEGIN WITH CAN AND WILL BECOME A PROFESSIONAL IF STEP ON STAGE AND DEDICAtE ENOUGH TIME,,see stan ,,see cook,,see heath,,see priest,,see bobbie ,,the better conditioned/muscle ratio got it faster,,,the less better condition/muscle ratioe got it slower...but guess what .....they all got it
fallen angel

Tomanater

  • Pros
  • Getbig III
  • *****
  • Posts: 459
  • Eat-Sleep-Train-Grow
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #144 on: February 28, 2008, 11:42:24 PM »
i agree partially with what you say..

you need muscle shape and symery to win a pro card ,,,you need phenominal respond to hormones ,,,you need good strcuture,,all of the above are needed,,,

that is exactly what i said..we both know that......and  without these qualities you will never be a top pro..especially not a top pro...
peace

DK II

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 31269
  • Call me 4 steroids: 571-332-2588 or 571-249-4163
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #145 on: February 28, 2008, 11:44:05 PM »
The funny thing ist that on a german board today almost exactly the same discussion was going on. And the guys agreed, that in none other sport the influence of drugs is bigger than in BB. In baseball, football, basketball, soccer, the main factor is the technique, and drugs have no influence on the technique. So these guys may take a lil test to speed up recovery and maybe some uppers when they're tired, and that's it.

In BB it's all about muscle mass. AND THE DRUGS HAVE A HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUGE INFLUENCE ON MUSCLE MASS, UNLIKE ON THE TECHNIQUE LIKE IN ANY OTHER SPORT.

Compare the world records of the 100 m sprinters of the last 50 years. In 1968 the world record over 100 metres was 9,95 seconds, in 2007 the world record was 9,74. You see, with all the drugs and stuff going on over the last 40 years, the world record in this sport got only faster by 0,2 seconds!!!!!! As you can tell, in sports like this (athletics) drugs have a very very minor influence, here indeed WORLD CLASS ATHLETES maybe can get better by 5 % because of drugs because the main thing is the technique.

Now check out Bodybuilding. Compare the Bodybuilders from the 60s with the Bodybuilders of today. Is the difference also only 5 %, or equivalent to 0,2 seconds in running????? ;D

NO, BECAUSE BODYBUILDING IS ALL DRUGS!!!!!!!!! BODYBUILDING IS THE ONLY "SPORT" WHERE DRUGS PLAY THE MAIN PART, THERE IS NO SUCH THING LIKE TECHNIQUE OR TALENT!!!!!! BODYBUILDING IS ABOUT GAINING MUSCLES, AND MUSCLES ARE GAINED BY TAKING DRUGS!!!!

You are right with the importance of structure. As you can see a guy like Kovac or Palumbo with a shitty structure will always look like shit, skinny, fat or jacked. But they can also gain tons of muscle due to drugs, as much muscle as Mr. O. ;)

 :-*

great post

Van_Bilderass

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16715
  • "Don't Try"
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #146 on: February 28, 2008, 11:51:47 PM »
Drugatize!!!
Haha, that's another new term. It's when you have surpassed simple hormonized state!

DK II

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 31269
  • Call me 4 steroids: 571-332-2588 or 571-249-4163
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #147 on: February 29, 2008, 02:14:51 AM »
very good

lol, thank you mr 15.

Looks like Planet Nibiru is closing in, i already feel much sharper in the head.  ::)

m8

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 10796
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #148 on: February 29, 2008, 02:48:09 AM »
gh15 speaks the truth.

dearth

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1835
  • Getbig!
Re: Chris Cook (recent pic)
« Reply #149 on: February 29, 2008, 06:58:04 AM »
evil angel,

let me guess you are currently on a heavy cycle of illegally obtained drugs,
and you are extra senesitive to the issue of your physique being the product
of drugs.




Please ....You can be that dump ....Have you heard about sarcasm....