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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2008, 06:12:11 PM »
Just because people here are expressing sympathy for the puppy doesn't mean they are oblivious to all those other atrocities dude. This is a forum and different topics are discussed and the reactions vary depending on the subject under discussion. Say what you want, it doesn't matter how many civilians are killed or how many people starve - none of that takes away from the fact that what the asshole in the video clip did was just plain unacceptable.

I'm sure if most of the people here (if not all of them) came across a victim of war or crime or whatever, they'd be sympathetic and helpful in whatever way possible. And no matter what the tragedy is, there's always a bigger one that will make it pale in comparison. How would you like it if a loved one of yours died and someone came and said, "You can't be serious - so and so has suffered way more than you because they have lost 2 or 3 members of their family in war" - would you immediately feel fully consoled or ashamed that you were grieving over what is metaphysically less significant?

Just because there is something worse out there doesn't mean you can use that as an excuse and ignore or be unsympathetic to something far less bad that's happening in front of your eyes.

sure anyone can be sympathetic to the situation, you are free to have those feelings.

The death of an animal no matter how it dies is never as tragic when a human being dies. So whether or not we make comparisons on what is worse or better for anyone. The death of an animal is no big deal. It's a bloody animal!

it's human to mourn the death of an animal. It's human to have emotions. There has to come a point where things like this are put into perspective. Especially the location of the soldier and why he is in Iraq where people are losing their lives and suffering because of this war.

What I think is disturbing is when we come to the point that we make pets or farm animals etc. as equal to humans. As one of our own as they say.


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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2008, 06:12:16 PM »
thats easy.....

duh

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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2008, 06:16:11 PM »
Perhaps not for Flower....

perhaps you read that wrong

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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2008, 06:16:42 PM »
That's not the point. I know you like dogs.

I have a question for you.

If you were given a choice between choosing to save your own dogs vs. one 4 year old human child, which would you do?

The amount of suffering in the world in every form is way beyond the scope or capacity of one person or even an entire nation to address man, let alone try to put an end to it. You shouldn't let that lead you into feeling guilty of having a good life yourself - if you feel so strongly, do what you can to help improve the situation. Don't try to instill guilt into others by pointing out the existence of all the bad stuff. We didn't create any of the bad stuff.

Just about everyone feels helpless and indignant when they see suffering in areas of the world that are beyond their reach or even in their own backyard where the situation is beyond their control. Can you stop that from living your life? If it does, then go help those people out or kill yourself cause you are miserable - don't take a moral stance and try and act all superior by pointing out the fact that someone is justifiably getting indignant over what was undeniably an atrocious act (the puppy incident).

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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2008, 06:17:46 PM »
it's putting things like this in perspective and realizing what is important. Human life, which every day is being taken for frivolous reasons or a dog gets tossed down a cliff.

my view is that human life is worth more than any animals life. That isn't to say we human beings should be out killing animals until it goes out of style, no not at all. These reactions to a dog being tossed is disturbing.



How many people do you think emailed CNN, the Marines, etc over this incident who couldn't be bothered to express outrage over innocent human beings being killed?  Many, I'll bet.  Fuccking TV-fed, American-idol-watching, suburban nitwits with their priorities straight.  >:(
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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2008, 06:20:11 PM »
perhaps you read that wrong

So you would save your dogs over a 4 year old child?
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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2008, 06:22:28 PM »
sure anyone can be sympathetic to the situation, you are free to have those feelings.

The death of an animal no matter how it dies is never as tragic when a human being dies. So whether or not we make comparisons on what is worse or better for anyone. The death of an animal is no big deal. It's a bloody animal!

it's human to mourn the death of an animal. It's human to have emotions. There has to come a point where things like this are put into perspective. Especially the location of the soldier and why he is in Iraq where people are losing their lives and suffering because of this war.

What I think is disturbing is when we come to the point that we make pets or farm animals etc. as equal to humans. As one of our own as they say.


Wrong. Everything has a value only in a context. You might treasure a possession of yours that I don't give a shit about. So when that thing breaks, I'm not going to feel anything unlike you who is going to feel a lot of pain. In the same way, in your scale of evaluation, a person's life has a lot of value compared to an animal's life that has no value. In the case of someone like ~Flower~, the animal has an equal value, meaning she'd be just as indignant if the guy were throwing a baby or a kid over the cliff.

There are tons of lonely people and even normal people to whom their pets matter as much as a family member does. While to others, the same animals are actually repulsive. One group's preference or scale of value doesn't make the other group's opposing value true or false - every person decides what is important and what is not, what is worthy of love and what is not and so on.

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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2008, 06:23:12 PM »
So you would save your dogs over a 4 year old child?

lets see....my dog....vs....unknown 4 year old child?


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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2008, 06:23:27 PM »
The amount of suffering in the world in every form is way beyond the scope or capacity of one person or even an entire nation to address man, let alone try to put an end to it. You shouldn't let that lead you into feeling guilty of having a good life yourself - if you feel so strongly, do what you can to help improve the situation. Don't try to instill guilt into others by pointing out the existence of all the bad stuff. We didn't create any of the bad stuff.

Just about everyone feels helpless and indignant when they see suffering in areas of the world that are beyond their reach or even in their own backyard where the situation is beyond their control. Can you stop that from living your life? If it does, then go help those people out or kill yourself cause you are miserable - don't take a moral stance and try and act all superior by pointing out the fact that someone is justifiably getting indignant over what was undeniably an atrocious act (the puppy incident).

People did. They did when they elected Bush and Cheney and helped create the mess we are in now. That's the reality. People shouldn't just be standing by whilst this crap goes on. The USA is broken but American Idol is on so let's not worry about it.
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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2008, 06:24:06 PM »
That's not the point. I know you like dogs.

I have a question for you.

If you were given a choice between choosing to save your own dogs vs. one 4 year old human child, which would you do?

 I'd save the 4 year old.

   What does that have to do with blatant cruelty?

   
   Was someone's life at stake and that soldier had to do that?

 
   No, so it was WRONG.   It was wrong no matter if people are starving 3000 miles away.  WRONG is WRONG.

   

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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2008, 06:24:30 PM »
Here we are 5 years into the war, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians dead, still more starved to death due to American sanctions and miscellaneous deaths due to 10 years of bombing prior to invasion and there is huge outrage because a puppy was killed. It is sad yes, but can you compare that to all the chaos and mayhem that the American invasion has caused to human beings? Loss of life, injuries, mental and physical, not to mention to American soldiers and only after a puppy is chucked off a cliff ( admittedly, it was cute) are people up in arms. Something is seriously messed up here. People need to get their priorities straight.

I gotta agree with you here  ;)


During the Vietnam war, innocent rice farmers were used as target practice for bored marines....and this video is causing a stir?!  ::)
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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2008, 06:24:54 PM »


How many people do you think emailed CNN, the Marines, etc over this incident who couldn't be bothered to express outrage over innocent human beings being killed?  Many, I'll bet.  Fuccking TV-fed, American-idol-watching, suburban nitwits with their priorities straight.  >:(

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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2008, 06:26:21 PM »
lets see....my dog....vs....unknown 4 year old child?



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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2008, 06:26:32 PM »
What I think is disturbing is when we come to the point that we make pets or farm animals etc. as equal to humans. As one of our own as they say.

That is Animal Rights vs Animal Welfare.

  I am for Animal WELFARE.  The decent and humane treatment of animals.




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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2008, 06:26:39 PM »
I gotta agree with you here  ;)


During the Vietnam war, innocent rice farmers were used as target practice for bored marines....and this video is causing a stir?!  ::)

& How do you believe those fine adjusted Marines did when they returned to live in Society?

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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2008, 06:27:38 PM »
Glad to know there are people like you out there. ::)

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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2008, 06:27:50 PM »
we are living in Amerika, Amerika ist Wunderbar

Nein, es ist ein verlogenes Scheissloch, das staendig neue Propaganda herauskotzt.
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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2008, 06:28:53 PM »
 
Nein, es ist ein verlogenes Scheissloch, das staendig neue Propaganda herauskotzt.

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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2008, 06:29:29 PM »
& How do you believe those fine adjusted Marines did when they returned to live in Society?


So instead of this cruel act, we're now debating the psyche of the soldier???  

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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2008, 06:32:44 PM »
People did. They did when they elected Bush and Cheney and helped create the mess we are in now. That's the reality. People shouldn't just be standing by whilst this crap goes on. The USA is broken but American Idol is on so let's not worry about it.

Dude, shit happens all day every day in every corner of the world. You can't let that stop you from living your life. If you are an asshole who made people suffer by pushing a button or executing a military order, then fine, feel guilty or rot in Hell. Don't tell others who had nothing to do with causing all the suffering that they should be feeling guilty of having a good life or being able to enjoy things that civilization can offer at it's best. There's always going to be pain and suffering somewhere, somehow to some extent. If you keep mourning over it all the time, then you are not going to make it.

What are you saying? That we should be allowed to smile or enjoy a night out only if every person in every part of the world is perfectly happy? Get real ::)

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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2008, 06:33:24 PM »
During the Vietnam war, innocent rice farmers were used as target practice for bored marines....and this video is causing a stir?!  ::)

 So you think it'd be better if this was considered just another day at the office?

  Maybe that's why the world is so fucked up, because people just say oh well.


   Maybe some people are more compassionate and are able to care about more than one cause or issue at a time.

     Maybe if more people could do that it would help stop the fuckeduppideness of the world.

   


 

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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2008, 06:34:58 PM »

So instead of this cruel act, we're now debating the psyche of the soldier??? 




 I don't think it's up for debate, he's messed in the head

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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2008, 06:36:38 PM »
Dude, shit happens all day every day in every corner of the world. You can't let that stop you from living your life. If you are an asshole who made people suffer by pushing a button or executing a military order, then fine, feel guilty or rot in Hell. Don't tell others who had nothing to do with causing all the suffering that they should be feeling guilty of having a good life or being able to enjoy things that civilization can offer at it's best. There's always going to be pain and suffering somewhere, somehow to some extent. If you keep mourning over it all the time, then you are not going to make it.

What are you saying? That we should be allowed to smile or enjoy a night out only if every person in every part of the world is perfectly happy? Get real ::)

You are turning this into something that is is clearly not. I never said don't enjoy your life. I am not mourning over it all the time. I spend too much time trying to pay the bills and get my money together and stare at Dennis Wolf's most muscular. I didn't say they should feel gulity I said they should get their priorities straight. Big Difference.
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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2008, 06:36:47 PM »

So instead of this cruel act, we're now debating the psyche of the soldier???  



worse....what becomes of them when you have animal killers & killers of innocent people return to society

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Re: The irony of the puppy thread...
« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2008, 06:37:58 PM »

 So you think it'd be better if this was considered just another day at the office?

  Maybe that's why the world is so fucked up, because people just say oh well.


   Maybe some people are more compassionate and are able to care about more than one cause or issue at a time.

     Maybe if more people could do that it would help stop the fuckeduppideness of the world.

   


 

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