Obama

[Straw Man]

that mofo gives good speech

[calmus]

From san antonio? I didn't watch it. Too busy being disgusted at Ohio.

[Straw Man]

just my initial, semi-buzzed reaction

It felt good

[youandme]

must have ate some chitlins or pigs feet gave him good mojo

[tonymctones]

i watched a bit of it and it sounded pretty shitty to be honest, some of the stuff he talked about seemed very far fetched, sounds like he wants a utopia and thats just not realistic

[Straw Man]

I watched it all and Hilary's too

also watched McCain's speech

I just liked Obama best

[youandme]

sounds like he wants a utopia and thats just not realistic

"beware of statesman who promise the unrealistic, they are fools on a fools errand" - Voltaire

"often those who have not held the high positions, will promise the unlikely, and deliver the most uexpected" Machiavelli

[twigs87]

that mofo gives good speech

He may speak well, but that's all he's got. Besides, someone else writes his speeches for him, so he really doesn't have anything going for him.

[240 is Back]

He may speak well, but that's all he's got. Besides, someone else writes his speeches for him, so he really doesn't have anything going for him.

what is the name of the man who writes his speeches for him?

[twigs87]

what is the name of the man who writes his speeches for him?

Jon Favreau, Adam Frankel, Ben Rhodes.

[Decker]

He may speak well, but that's all he's got. Besides, someone else writes his speeches for him, so he really doesn't have anything going for him.

The last major politician to write his own speeches was Al Gore.

[Straw Man]

That was just my initial gut reacton after watching McCain, Clinton and Obama going in order.   Maybe McCain should hire Obama's speech writers.

[shootfighter1]

Your right, Obama is an excellent Orator, even if he is reading the speech...its still very talented in presentation.
The whole point is you must look at his platforms and his record.  His ideas are not moderate, he is not a moderate democrat...he is certainly a liberal democrat.  There have been many talented speakers but not all of them have the experience or ideas that make the best leader, or in this case, president.  He wants to make this country more socialistic, which is opposite from our founding fathers and the historical fabric of this country.

[Straw Man]

Your right, Obama is an excellent Orator, even if he is reading the speech...its still very talented in presentation.
The whole point is you must look at his platforms and his record.  His ideas are not moderate, he is not a moderate democrat...he is certainly a liberal democrat.  There have been many talented speakers but not all of them have the experience or ideas that make the best leader, or in this case, president.  He wants to make this country more socialistic, which is opposite from our founding fathers and the historical fabric of this country.

last night was about speeches and I just thought Obama gave a good one.

He and Hilary have virtually identical voting records and have very similar platforms.

I'm not voting for McCain so it's gonna have to be one of those two or maybe both if they decide to work together

[shootfighter1]

I hear ya.  Your right about the speeches.
But be prepared for bigger gov, more government control, more government spending and another step in the direction of socialism.  Bush ignored traditional republican ideas as well.   Those of us that respect the constitution and personal freedoms and want limited government are just shaking our heads.

[Straw Man]

I hear ya.  Your right about the speeches.
But be prepared for bigger gov, more government control, more government spending and another step in the direction of socialism.  Bush ignored traditional republican ideas as well.   Those of us that respect the constitution and personal freedoms and want limited government are just shaking our heads.

ok - I'll get prepared.

I wish someone would have warned me about the same thing before Bush got in office

[The Coach]

I watched it all and Hilary's too

also watched McCain's speech

I just liked Obama best

Obama is a great speaker.........too bad he really doesn't have much to say

[Straw Man]

Obama is a great speaker.........too bad he really doesn't have much to say

That gives him one up on McCain who is a poor to mediocre speaker ....also with nothing to say

[shootfighter1]

Me too.  Bush has not followed traditional republican principles.  Even though he cut some taxes, the amount of spending is outrageous.  Also, historically, republicans advocated a smaller government and less wars and intervention on foreign soils.  (they promoted a strong military to protect home).

[240 is Back]

That gives him one up on McCain who is a poor to mediocre speaker ....also with nothing to say

touche.

mccain has said 2 noteworthy things... "bomb iran" and "I don't know much about the economy".

Those are direct quotes, Joe.

[Straw Man]

touche.

mccain has said 2 noteworthy things... "bomb iran" and "I don't know much about the economy".

Those are direct quotes, Joe.

I find both of those quotes deeply disturbing.  I can sort of ignore the economy one because hopefully he'd get some smart people from both sides of the aisle to help him but he just seems to be itching to get us involved in Iran

[milfer]

It's not the president who runs the show it congress... thats where we need a change  some congressmen have been in office for 30 years... You cant get a president that can change the country by himself, we need a president that can unite us and inspire change in the people and government. in my opinion Obama is the guy that can do that.

[Straw Man]

It's not the president who runs the show it congress... thats where we need a change  some congressmen have been in office for 30 years... You cant get a president that can change the country by himself, we need a president that can unite us and inspire change in the people and government. in my opinion Obama is the guy that can do that.

that was the feeling I got last night as I was watching his speech.  I also think he'd be a better representative on the world stage than the Clinton or McCain

[twigs87]

It's not the president who runs the show it congress... thats where we need a change  some congressmen have been in office for 30 years... You cant get a president that can change the country by himself, we need a president that can unite us and inspire change in the people and government. in my opinion Obama is the guy that can do that.

right, because he tells people what they want to hear and his speechwriters have used rhetoric to get into people's heads. his speeches are heavy on atmosphere and light on substance. if he gets into office, he will do what every other lib president does - he will do what he thinks is best for the country, regardless of whether it really is best, based on polls and nothing else and his extreme liberal views will come to light.

[JBGRAY]

If I could, I'd collect Obama's tears(though I highly doubt he has ever cried) and go cure some cancer patients.