It brings me great joy to watch .............

[Decker]

And socialism is a failure...move then if u don't like it. Nobody would miss u.

Why are you always asking me to leave the country?

Moderated capitalism includes oversight of competition and modest redistribution.  We need rules for the game.  Otherwise we end up with exploitation, monopolies and unfree markets.

[Decker]

...
So I guess in your view a hunter and gathering society works best?

I don't know what you are talking about.  Moderated capitalism includes oversight of competition and modest redistribution.  We need rules for the game.  Otherwise we end up with exploitation, monopolies and unfree markets.

Sorry you feel that hard work does not pay off The system of free trade is better than mercantilism, and it has done a great job for past empires.

I don't know what you are talking about.  My dad worked until he died at the age of 39 and all he ever got was more work.  I'm not denigrating hard work.  Everybody works hard.  That's not up for debate.  Not everybody gets wealthy from working hard though.

Nothing is free and that includes a 'free market' economy.

Exactly!  That's why we need a moderated meritocratic form of capitalism.

Agreed. If you don't like it move the fuc out, no one is forcing you for your citizenship.

So you and HH debate ideas by asking those you disagree with to leave the country?  That's kind of dumb.  I have as much right to be here as you do.

This is an open political forum where ideas are discussed.  You can do that or you can withdraw into your shell shouting, "America, love it or leave it!"

[Decker]

don't blame bush ? then who the F should be blamed ? let's examine SOME of the facts:


1) oil was $26.00 per barrel BEFORE bush invaded iraq for WMD's that never existed.......oil now stands at $106.00 per barrel and continues to rise. I BLAME BUSH !

2) bush deregulated the lending industry to allow predatory, no doc. and unheard of subprime loans. this has resulted in the worst housing crises since the great depression. I BLAME BUSH !

3) the US is forced to borrow 1.5 BILLION dollars per DAY from China to finance bush's BS iraq war. this has helped create an additional 7 TRILLION dollars of dept in only 7 short yrs.(inflationary) prior to bush entering the white house, the national dept with 42 prior presidents COMBINED was just 5 trillion. he has OUTSPENT 42 presidents combined.  I BLAME BUSH !

4) under bush, the dollars value has been reduced by 50% in just 7 yrs, resulting in inflation  taking off to historic levels........from food to fuel, to everything in between. I BLAME BUSH !

5) gasoline was $1.25 per gallon when bush took office. it now stands close to $4.00 per gallon......and rising. I BLAME BUSH !



6) JB, have you always been a clueless retard ?  



NT


PS, i could go on all day about how bush's policies have ruined the US economy, but YOU wouldn't have a F'n clue anyway.

The President as a matter of law has little power to change the economy outside of the power of appointment and the bully pulpit.

However I agree with you that a good portion of the blame belongs to Bush and his lockstep republican majority in the Congress which allowed him to legislate anything he wanted.  You, Mr. President, want a war, you got one.  You, Mr. President, want to get government off the back of lenders, no problem.  You, Mr. President, want billions for your unnecessary war, here you go.

This is a special moment in history where one party and one president have effectively demoralized and undercut the entire country.

Do average americans deserve a portion of the blame?  Yeah, some of them.  The american population has been conditioned to equate success in life with acquisitive success.  I guess that's why the country has a negative savings rate.

The average american is as bad with a checkbook as our federal government.

[War-Horse]

NT.   How low do you think the dow will go?

        Is there a chance for other countries to pull the rug out from us by switching from the dollar as currency and leaving us f'd in a major way???

How much longer will the PPT be able to sacrifice its money to hold up a false market??

Do you think bush/cheney will hi-tail it to Paraguay oneday...

[Neurotoxin]

NT.   How low do you think the dow will go?

        Is there a chance for other countries to pull the rug out from us by switching from the dollar as currency and leaving us f'd in a major way???

How much longer will the PPT be able to sacrifice its money to hold up a false market??

Do you think bush/cheney will hi-tail it to Paraguay oneday...

i believe the 10,000 level will be tested this year. since markets don't go straight down, we'll continue to have intermittent sucker rallies which will always fail.

the PPT has been working overtime to help avoid a MAJOR crash. with their involvement, the market tends to bleed out at a somewhat slower pace. the PPT cannot stop the inevitable.

with regards to our currency, if the Fed fails to contain inflation (their job) i believe a dollar currency crisis could evolve forcing countries to avoid using our currency completely. some have already begun that practice. (not a good sign)  

remember, if the Fed continually lowers interest rates and ignores inflation with the current dollar depreciation.........and couple that with surging oil prices, it will create the perfect storm i've often described.

a severe recession with stagflation would be unavoidable IMHO.






NT

[Neurotoxin]

gbers......


March 5 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke will  "destroy the U.S. dollar'' by cutting interest rates, investor Marc Faber said.

Bernanke's reduction in the target rate for overnight loans between banks to 3 percent has spurred a rout in U.S. stocks and gains in oil and gold prices, said Faber.



NT

[boonasty]

in america.

interesting as hell

[Deicide]

interesting as hell

We're the kids in America...

[War-Horse]

We're the kids in America...

Uhhhh................Ple ase double your med's tonite.

[Slapper]

And socialism is a failure...move then if u don't like it. Nobody would miss u.

Listen GI Joe, I myself just paid almost $ 20,000 in federal income taxes this year. I paid taxes in Jersey because I work there. I paid taxes in New York because the company is registered in New York. My commute to work is usually $30 per day. If I buy something, it will be taxed. Now Bloomberg wants to charge me $ 15 for entering Manhattan. Thank God I do not live in Staten Island, cause the Verrazano just went up to $10 each way. Imagine living there and working in Manhattan?: $20 in bridge tolls, $15 for entering Manhattan, $5-10 for gas and $15 for parking. That's a whopping $60 in commuting costs ALONE!

Is it not close to communism?

[youandme]

We're the kids in America...

lmao

[War-Horse]

i currently own homes in multiple states.


boon, do you understand the definition of anonymous ?


without anonymity, getting the truth out becomes nearly impossible. 



NT

LOL.  That makes me think of gh15, and how he randomly throws a laptop out the window of a 5 story building every 20 minutes for security reasons.

[headhuntersix]

Listen GI Joe, I myself just paid almost $ 20,000 in federal income taxes this year. I paid taxes in Jersey because I work there. I paid taxes in New York because the company is registered in New York. My commute to work is usually $30 per day. If I buy something, it will be taxed. Now Bloomberg wants to charge me $ 15 for entering Manhattan. Thank God I do not live in Staten Island, cause the Verrazano just went up to $10 each way. Imagine living there and working in Manhattan?: $20 in bridge tolls, $15 for entering Manhattan, $5-10 for gas and $15 for parking. That's a whopping $60 in commuting costs ALONE!

Is it not close to communism?

Move....besides ur paying for all the bullshit social programs.....how many people get a hand out in ur city. I feel bad for u. I bet u wonder where u cash is going. Its easy to blame Bush but if half the hand-outs were cut..I bet ur taxes would go down. National defense/infrastructure/security/education then everybody else has to make do with less. How much of all u pay goes to the NEA..or taxes on gas...we get taxed to death.

[Slapper]

Move....besides ur paying for all the bullshit social programs.....how many people get a hand out in ur city. I feel bad for u. I bet u wonder where u cash is going. Its easy to blame Bush but if half the hand-outs were cut..I bet ur taxes would go down. National defense/infrastructure/security/education then everybody else has to make do with less. How much of all u pay goes to the NEA..or taxes on gas...we get taxed to death.

To the contrary, I do not mind paying $30,000 dollars in federal income taxes if they are put to good social use IN THE USA. The problem is, AND THIS HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE A TRUISM, is that 100% of federal income taxes collected goes to pay for the national debt. Besides, I really do not want to leave NY. It's one of the most open cities in the world, and moving somewhere else brings memories of values, going to church on Sundays and the type of fascist shit I'm not comfortable with.

But then again I don't expect you to understand. While I'm here working my ass off paying all those taxes you were over in Irak not paying your fair share under the false pretense that you were defending me. Boy, that is a definite F5 in the Fujita bullshit scale!

[War-Horse]

HH6  Gets "Schooled"  everytime he posts.  He loves it I guess.

[Straw Man]

don't blame bush ? then who the F should be blamed ? let's examine SOME of the facts:


1) oil was $26.00 per barrel BEFORE bush invaded iraq for WMD's that never existed.......oil now stands at $106.00 per barrel and continues to rise. I BLAME BUSH !


2) bush deregulated the lending industry to allow predatory, no doc. and unheard of subprime loans. this has resulted in the worst housing crises since the great depression. I BLAME BUSH !

3) the US is forced to borrow 1.5 BILLION dollars per DAY from China to finance bush's BS iraq war. this has helped create an additional 7 TRILLION dollars of debt in only 7 short yrs.(inflationary) prior to bush entering the white house, the national debt of 42 prior presidents COMBINED was just 5 trillion. he has OUTSPENT 42 presidents combined.  I BLAME BUSH !

4) under bush, the dollars value has been reduced by 50% in just 7 yrs, resulting in inflation  taking off to historic levels........from food to fuel, to everything in between. I BLAME BUSH !


5) gasoline was $1.25 per gallon when bush took office. it now stands close to $4.00 per gallon......and rising. I BLAME BUSH !



6) JB, have you always been a clueless retard ?  



NT


PS, i could go on all day about how bush's policies have ruined the US economy, but YOU wouldn't have a F'n clue anyway.

As much as I'd like to give all the blame to Bush you have to also give a hefty serving a blame to Clinton and the Republicans in the House/Senate that passed the Financial Services Modernization Act in late 1999.   That effectively wiped out all the protections that were put in place by Glass-Steagall and directly contributed to the advent of the SIV/CDO's that have since become the bane of almost every financial institutions balance sheet.   

It only took ~ 8 years after "modernization"  and derulation to bring the credit markets and the rest of the financial system to the precipice of near meltdown.

I do give Bush and Republicans in the House/Senate almost full credit for the devaluation of the currency due to this seemingly never ending disaster in Iraq.   A large part of the increase in the price of oil is due solely to the devaluation of the dollar which is the world losing confidence in our economic system.   I also give Republicans starting with  Reagan with turning us into a debtor nation.  The idea that Republicans are the more fiscally responsible or even the most effective on defense is a complete myth created by them and sold to a bunch of gullible people who truly want to believe in fairy tales.

[Camel Jockey]

you poor people need someone to blame i guess.

There'll be a lot more people pointing the finger within the coming years, jackass.

[headhuntersix]

HH6  Gets "Schooled"  everytime he posts.  He loves it I guess.

I got schooled..oh no....I'm not a grunt anyway. I'm sorry u hate America so much dip-shit. I'm sorry u haven't eaned the freedom ur enjoying..maybe the only way to express ur guilt over being a monumental pussy, is to post things like that. Did a GI fuck ur wife or something. The onlything ur good for is pointing fingers.

[w8tlftr]

Besides, I really do not want to leave NY. It's one of the most open cities in the world, and moving somewhere else brings memories of values, going to church on Sundays and the type of fascist shit I'm not comfortable with.

You may want to get a better understanding of what fascism means.

[headhuntersix]

Because I'm in the Service...ok. 

[headhuntersix]

Um I'd get a regular job i guess..except I love being a soldier. I love serving the country. If I didn't do this. I'd go with Blackwater or Tripple Canopy. Government support...I earn a living. I don't get welfare and sit on my ass. This argument is ridiculous. 

[headhuntersix]

Getting commisioned was choice 2 after college. I got the branch I wanted so I went active. Obstacles..like Iraqi tanks, the Taliban, IED's VBIEDS's, narco's, land mines, EFP's....frostbite, sunstroke...mortars..etc etc. U mean those kind of obstacles...I'd take an asshole boss and a cubicle any day. Military service..highest form of Patriotism and service to ur fellow countrymen.

[headhuntersix]

And if we didn't do our job u'd be dead...so I guess it all works out pretty well. ...I have marketable skills all over the world...we won't run out of war anytime soon. So blah blah blah..stupid argument.

[headhuntersix]

Thats the best u have..ur totally dependent on me to make sure u and ur family don't end up in a ditch with a bayonet through ur head. Same stupid argument as yours right? Because if there was no military I'd imagine u'd be in alot of trouble right?

Dude...I have plenty of experience and education..and live in the greatest county in the world. I'd be fine. I choose to do this because its fun . I don't have a family to worry about anyway.

[stormshadow]

i'm dependent on you ? i pay more in taxes per quarter, then you make in a yr. YOU'RE DEPENDENT ON ME, and don't forget it !

without capitalists like me taking risks in the business world......you have nothing. no paycheck, no healthcare.........nothi ng. this country was built by people like me, not some lazy government employee !

just remember one thing, I'M THE CAPITALIST and you're the socialist.


that hurts big time huh ?


also:


a CONSERVATIVE republican outspent 42 presidents COMBINED ! you can not escape the facts ! hahahaaaaa


the biggest spenders in human history have been the republicans......and you can't SPIN those facts.

You are definitely a fan of Atlas Shrugged?  Am I right?