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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2008, 11:13:36 PM »
bullshit, how would humans get essential fats if they stay on an cold northern hemisphere island? or the north pole? without animal meat.

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2008, 11:16:38 PM »
Look at the milk in these utters,,,



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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2008, 03:26:59 AM »
Here's my2 cents regarding milk : 


milk is not the best choice as far as foods that are nourishing go. For  starters, it's from a COW for a CALF...Casein, the protein inmilk has the lowest biological value of complete proteins, and not least, did I mention most people are more or less lactose intolerant ?.....I can't even begin to fathom who introduced us to cow milk or milk period, but I have a feeling that it's one of the et's that tinkered a bit with us. Same for meat in all it's forms. I'll say this one out loud: WE ARE NOT BUILT FOR MEAT. It's the reptiles that introduced us to it. If u study our digestive system and compare it to carnivorous animals/fish etc...you'll see vast differences. I strongly believe that we were at origins an agricultural race who did not bred animals to kill them later. We are not compatible with meat , which lowers our vibrations not to mention what we ingest and absorb after a cow has been frightened and terrorized with hammer blows to the skull to render it unconscious.


       The milk the cow produces to feed the baby cow is a SPECIFIC formula for the BABY COW. I wonder why don't we milk lactating women if milk is so nourishing ???  :-X  It's PERFECT for the baby from It's mom, but that's where it stops.


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I appreciate what you've been posting lately about vibrations, ascension, etc;  but where are you going to get sufficient protein without eating meat?

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2008, 05:33:06 AM »
Milk is for babies.

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2008, 05:41:30 AM »
I can tell u for sure that I won't be checking out that site. But please think for yourself and nevermind the "experts" ....it is nourishing : for the calf sucking during that perios specifically....do you think cows exist in nature to feed u milk and for u to slaughter them for milk ? If so we got one unfair cruel god if u ask me. :-\

How can you even debate something if you refuse to look at the other person's side?  That is the mark of a very ignorant person-an un-willingness to see all sides.  I know your side, I'm not saying that cow milk isn't for the calf, I'm saying that it has some beneficial properties, thus is nourishing, for the human as well-that's not to say that it doesn't have some detrimental properties as well for humans.  It is designed for the calf, but can help the human-especially if the mother is particularly unhealthy and shouldn't be breast feeding.   

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2008, 06:19:55 AM »
I swear man I was thinking just that. How could this thread have made it some far without this:

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2008, 06:35:17 AM »

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2008, 07:02:44 AM »
How can you even debate something if you refuse to look at the other person's side?  That is the mark of a very ignorant person-an un-willingness to see all sides.  I know your side, I'm not saying that cow milk isn't for the calf, I'm saying that it has some beneficial properties, thus is nourishing, for the human as well-that's not to say that it doesn't have some detrimental properties as well for humans.  It is designed for the calf, but can help the human-especially if the mother is particularly unhealthy and shouldn't be breast feeding.   
It's like this : u speak a diff language than me. Do u think I was born yesterday and dunno anything what's been said and researched about milk in the past 200 years ?? My point is this : I'm offering u a whole diff point of view maybe it'll open your mind. This is not a debate by the way. I don't like to debate.I say my piece and u make of it  whatever your intellect or heart dictates u to.

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2008, 07:08:52 AM »
You're not offering me a whole different point of view, I wrote a research paper on the natural diet of man in college. I've gone over this milk issue a thousand times with other people and with myself.  Just like everything else, for some it's good, for some it's not.  Un-pasteurized is almost always better for pretty much everyone.  Someone starved for fat would do very well drinking raw cow milk or full fat milk, thus nourishing for them...same with any number of different situations, like the one I mentioned above.  Here's the bottom line with diet, much like everything else: the right diet is entirely based on your life's plan.  That simple, everything is based on what you want out of life.  I know plenty of long term and even no so long term raw vegans that added raw milk/dairy and experienced great health benefits after numerous deficiency issues.  And I know plenty of people who, after a time, do worse on dairy.  This is the same as the meat argument.  What's most important is that the food is humanely raised and grown in an evironmentally suitable manner.  Then everything is based on each person's different situation.  

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2008, 07:22:18 AM »
You're not offering me a whole different point of view, I wrote a research paper on the natural diet of man in college. I've gone over this milk issue a thousand times with other people and with myself.  Just like everything else, for some it's good, for some it's not.  Un-pasteurized is almost always better for pretty much everyone.  Someone starved for fat would do very well drinking raw cow milk or full fat milk, thus nourishing for them...same with any number of different situations, like the one I mentioned above.  Here's the bottom line with diet, much like everything else: the right diet is entirely based on your life's plan.  That simple, everything is based on what you want out of life.  I know plenty of long term and even no so long term raw vegans that added raw milk/dairy and experienced great health benefits after numerous deficiency issues.  And I know plenty of people who, after a time, do worse on dairy.  This is the same as the meat argument.  What's most important is that the food is humanely raised and grown in an evironmentally suitable manner.  Then everything is based on each person's different situation.   

Do you know how Kobe beef is obtained ? humanly raised ? bwahaha  :-X


Nourishing it's not an argument...as I said : there's good stuff in piss too but it doesn't mean it's your best option. ;)


"  What's most important is that the food is humanely raised and grown in an evironmentally suitable manner.  Then everything is based on each person's different situation.   "


How do you humanly off a cow ????? ...do you make a plush pink hammer to focking knock it out ? Do you cut her throat with her favourite knife it's mommy gave it to her ?


  ""Slaughterhouse takes readers on a frightening but true journey from one slaughterhouse to another throughout the country. Along the way, we encounter example after example of mistreated animals, intolerable working conditions, lax standards, the slow, painful deaths of children killed as a result of eating contaminated meat, the author's battle with the major television networks, and a dangerously corrupt federal agency that chooses to do nothing rather than risk the wrath of agribusiness, before the whole affair is blown wide open in this powerful exposé.

In the last 15 years, thousands of America's small to mid-sized slaughterhouses have been displaced by a few large, high-speed operations, each with the capacity to kill more than a million animals a year. With fewer slaughterhouses killing an ever-growing number of animals, slaughter "line speeds" have accelerated and a production mentality has emerged in which the rapid slaughter line never seems to stop for anything -- not for injured workers, not for contaminated meat, and, least of all, not for slow or disabled animals.

While investigating the slaughter industry, Eisnitz gains the trust of dozens of workers across the United States. Without exception, the individuals interviewed admit to deliberately beating, strangling, boiling, or dismembering animals alive in violation of the federal Humane Slaughter Act or failing to report those who did -- all in an effort to "keep the production line running." Many also discuss the web of violence in which they have become ensnared and the alcoholism and physical abuse that plague their personal lives.

In an effort to understand how such rampant violations could occur right under the noses of United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) inspectors -- the individuals charged with enforcing humane regulations in slaughterhouses -- Eisnitz examines the inspectors' track record for enforcing meat and poultry safety regulations, their primary responsibility. Following a long paper trail, she learns that contaminated meat and poultry are pouring out of federally inspected slaughterhouses and, not surprisingly, deaths from foodborne illness have quadrupled in the United States in the last 15 years.

Determined to tell the whole story, Eisnitz then examines the physical price paid by employees working in one of America's most dangerous industries. In addition to suffering disfiguring injuries and crippling repetitive-motion disorders, employees describe tyrannical working conditions in which grievances are met with severe reprisals or dismissals. ""

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2008, 07:37:56 AM »
You do it quickly and as painlessly as possible.  Although, I should add that a lot of animals in the wild take like an hour to kill their prey, so as far as slaughtering goes, we humans can offer cows a much better option than many other animals do!  There are plenty of options out there-it's not just black and white.  When I lived in the states, I often bought from the Amish, other small farmers, online from reputable sources-specifically religious ones.  It's not factory farm torture or be a vegan.  You an show us all the factory farm pictures in the world and it won't mean a thing other than we shouldn't support factory farms and their slaughter houses.   And given your strong feelings on the subject, can we assume that you are extremely strict in your vegan lifestyle-not only with food, but with clothes, furniture, and everything else?
  And once again, even what's BEST is still totally based on the person's life's plan.  I can't name a single person that lives soley to keep their body in 100% working order.  A lot of people like to think they do, but they don't.  Sure, milk, even raw, has some negative effects, but for some people the positive far outway the negative.   You'd be hard pressed to find food that is perfect in every sense-if raw vegetables were, then we'd see a lot more healthy long term vegans.  If a strictly animal based diet was, then we'd see a lot more people going that route and doing great.  Lo and behold, we don't.  The answer is to eat what is best for you when it is best for you based on your goals in life(which include being happy and having fun) 

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2008, 08:10:58 AM »
You do it quickly and as painlessly as possible.  Although, I should add that a lot of animals in the wild take like an hour to kill their prey, so as far as slaughtering goes, we humans can offer cows a much better option than many other animals do!  There are plenty of options out there-it's not just black and white.  When I lived in the states, I often bought from the Amish, other small farmers, online from reputable sources-specifically religious ones.  It's not factory farm torture or be a vegan.  You an show us all the factory farm pictures in the world and it won't mean a thing other than we shouldn't support factory farms and their slaughter houses.   And given your strong feelings on the subject, can we assume that you are extremely strict in your vegan lifestyle-not only with food, but with clothes, furniture, and everything else?
  And once again, even what's BEST is still totally based on the person's life's plan.  I can't name a single person that lives soley to keep their body in 100% working order.  A lot of people like to think they do, but they don't.  Sure, milk, even raw, has some negative effects, but for some people the positive far outway the negative.   You'd be hard pressed to find food that is perfect in every sense-if raw vegetables were, then we'd see a lot more healthy long term vegans.  If a strictly animal based diet was, then we'd see a lot more people going that route and doing great.  Lo and behold, we don't.  The answer is to eat what is best for you when it is best for you based on your goals in life(which include being happy and having fun) 
Ohbrother..I do hope that one day u wake up and smell the roses because I'm telling u brother : U are not even close to the essence of the matter.

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2008, 08:26:41 AM »
morally i believe kiling animals is wrong, and if i could get the nutritional benefits elsewhere i would, but the FACTS are humans have evolved on a paleo diet, animal meat and some veg and fruit. we need protein and efa's to survive. can we survive eating only veg and carbs - yes, is it optimal - no.

sayin that, if we ate nothing but veg and carbs for a few generations i'm sure we would evolve to where it was optimal.

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2008, 08:38:00 AM »
humane killing of animals is fine, as long as your going to eat it. I don't eat veal, kobe,  or young chicken tho.
yeah, milk is not good for you. But It taste so damn good.
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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2008, 09:02:41 AM »
Ohbrother..I do hope that one day u wake up and smell the roses because I'm telling u brother : U are not even close to the essence of the matter.

  All I can say is that I've heard that ten thousand times and, 9,999 of those times it came from someone talking the talk and not walking the walk; and that's the feeling I'm getting here.  Funny considering my own lifestyle. 

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2008, 09:16:21 AM »
When you look at the comparison between herbivores and humans, we compare much more closely to herbivores than meat eating animals. Humans are clearly not designed to digest and ingest meat.



Meat-eaters: have claws

Herbivores: no claws

Humans: no claws



Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue

Herbivores: perspire through skin pores

Humans: perspire through skin pores



Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding

Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding



Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly

Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.



Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat

Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater



Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.

Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits

Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits



Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970)





Clearly if humans were meant to eat meat we wouldn't have so many crucial ingestive/digestive similarities with animals that are herbivores.

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2008, 09:17:25 AM »
Humans are the only mammals in the world who have sex for pleasure. Thought for the day. ;)
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« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2008, 09:20:08 AM »
Humans are the only mammals in the world who have sex for pleasure. Thought for the day. ;)

Also they suck each other penises and love to insert their peepee in holes not designed for entry....feel me Laura ?  :o

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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2008, 09:24:11 AM »
Also they suck each other penises and love to insert their peepee in holes not designed for entry....feel me Laura ?  :o
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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2008, 09:34:07 AM »
Humans are the only mammals in the world who have sex for pleasure. Thought for the day. ;)


Actually a group of monkeys called Bonobos engage in sex for pleasure.  I think dolphins do too.  Okay, maybe I watch too much National Geographics!!

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2008, 09:40:21 AM »
When you look at the comparison between herbivores and humans, we compare much more closely to herbivores than meat eating animals. Humans are clearly not designed to digest and ingest meat.



Meat-eaters: have claws

Herbivores: no claws

Humans: no claws



Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue

Herbivores: perspire through skin pores

Humans: perspire through skin pores



Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding

Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding



Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly

Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.



Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat

Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater



Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.

Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits

Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits



Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970)





Clearly if humans were meant to eat meat we wouldn't have so many crucial ingestive/digestive similarities with animals that are herbivores.


Do you refuse to fly in a airplane because humans were not "meant" to fly as we do not have wings? 

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2008, 09:44:32 AM »
You know w.child...IT'S OK TO BE DIFFERENT..I've learned that lately :)

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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2008, 09:46:43 AM »
Spermaste really you are full of sh*t.  Humans aren't suppose to eat meat hahaha what a tool.  Just how exactly would early age humans get enough iron, protein and other minerals? By eating grass all day? Because they sure as sh*t didn't have little farms planting carrots and other vegetables now did they? Humans wouldn't have survived at all, how about fats too spermatse? how were they suppose to get those? eat flax seed? cause you know they knew the nutritional properties of food back then  ::)
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Re: Got milk ?
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2008, 10:07:29 AM »
the only healthy looking vegetarians you see are the ones that eat fish, which is a meat.. the others ones look frail and have unhealthy smokers-like skin

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« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2008, 10:15:30 AM »
the only healthy looking vegetarians you see are the ones that eat fish, which is a meat.. the others ones look frail and have unhealthy smokers-like skin


Bill Pearl?

No fish..no meat....did have poultry (eggs, etc) but not sure if it included chicken....i doubt it.