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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #75 on: March 19, 2008, 09:23:24 AM »


Howie, how do you claim natty status when you are on test patches?

I'm a little confused there


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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #76 on: March 19, 2008, 09:52:12 AM »

Howie, how do you claim natty status when you are on test patches?

I'm a little confused there



Easy, I never claimed to be 100% lifetime natural and am 100% honest about what drugs I did use , even if was in small amounts and and for 3 years ( 1983-86). Now at age 49  I use Androgel to keep my testosterone levels in the ideal range. This is prescribed by  my primary care doc and I get blood work on this and all my key blood hormone/enzyme levels every 2-3 years. It is for health reasons, NOT bodybuilding.
When I competed from 87-95 I did not use ANY drugs or HRT obviously. I won a few natural shows in the 90's
and did so by following the established rules for drugs and drug free time limits. I would NEVER compete in a show that required one to be "lifetime natural" as I am not.
It amazes me how doing ANYTHING related to bodybuilding in very moderate, sensible amounts causes such confusion LOL.
For me my main issue with drugs in bodybuilding is not the use of them by bodybuilders. What bugs me is all the lies, misinformation and crazy crap.
I just don't see why so many in bodybuilding have to be 100% lifetime natty where any drugs are a sin or:
(2) they advocate extrem drug use and freakish physiques as the ideal.
Why not sensible ,safe,open, honest, moderate policy when it comes to drug use??? seriously ???
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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #77 on: March 19, 2008, 12:19:17 PM »
You're leaving out a whole other variable here which is genetic response to drugs.  Kevin Levrone and Tom Prince look like nothing without hormones but are two of the biggest bodybuilders ever while on.  I doubt either would even get a natural pro card.

Keep in mind that one of them has a jacked-up shoulder and can't train heavy anymore (Prince); while the other has trimmed down intentionally to have a leaner look for his fledgling movie career (Levrone).



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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #78 on: March 19, 2008, 12:40:27 PM »
Keep in mind that one of them has a jacked-up shoulder and can't train heavy anymore (Prince); while the other has trimmed down intentionally to have a leaner look for his fledgling movie career (Levrone).

Yes, I do remember Tom's shoulder being a mass of crushed cartilage.  Kevin has claimed to be trimming down.

The thing is though, even if they were this this thin primarily due to the cessation of gear, they would find an excuse to say that wasn't the case.
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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #79 on: March 19, 2008, 12:54:49 PM »
Yes, I do remember Tom's shoulder being a mass of crushed cartilage.  Kevin has claimed to be trimming down.

The thing is though, even if they were this this thin primarily due to the cessation of gear, they would find an excuse to say that wasn't the case.

The excuse, in Levrone's case, is his acting career. Frank Sepe did the same, when he pursued modeling full-time. He dropped about 50 lbs. of muscle, and it paid off (literally and figuratively). The irony of it all is that Sepe has claimed that, even with all the muscle he shaved off, some modeling agencies STILL think he's too big.

And, Sepe also made the point that the NPC and IFBB aren't going anywhere. He can always get his lost size back, if he wants to pursue bodybuilding again. The same holds true for Levrone. Prince, however, is another story.

It's not necessarily the case that these bodybuilders would be "thin" due to merely stopping anabolics. Look at Kai Greene. He got his IFBB pro card in 2004. However, he competed as a pro in the WNBF for a while, winning its Mr. Universe and World Championships. That organization has a 7-year-drug-free policy, polygraphs all contestants, and drug-tests everyone who wins prize money.

While it appears that he has foregone his au naturel status, I don't think he would resemble Jimmie "JJ Evans" Walker, if he went back.

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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #80 on: March 19, 2008, 01:01:33 PM »
MCWAY I agree with you

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« Reply #81 on: March 19, 2008, 01:03:45 PM »
MCWAY I agree with you

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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #82 on: March 19, 2008, 01:09:34 PM »
you know that Sally McNeil article that you scanned for me back in the day?  I bought the original Flex magazine, actually two of them, on ebay or something. 
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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #83 on: March 19, 2008, 03:32:37 PM »
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pro in the WNBF for a while, winning its Mr. Universe and World Championships. That organization has a 7-year-drug-free policy, polygraphs all contestants, and drug-tests everyone who wins prize money.

which doesn`t mean anything. In particular polygraphs mean bullshit.

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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #84 on: March 19, 2008, 05:56:38 PM »
which doesn`t mean anything. In particular polygraphs mean bullshit.

The polygraphs are PART of the routine; again, everyone who placed in the money gets drug-tested. And, looking at their laundry list of banned substances, the WNBF runs a pretty tight shift.

There may be some folks who try to buck the system. But, my take is why bother. If you're going to go through all that trouble to take anabolics, why not just enter an open show in the NPC?

My point was, overall, that simply stopping the use of anabolics doesn't necessarily mean someone's going to revert to being a twig. Greene's WNBF physique, compared to the one he currently sports now, makes that point.





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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #85 on: March 19, 2008, 06:17:00 PM »
you know that Sally McNeil article that you scanned for me back in the day?  I bought the original Flex magazine, actually two of them, on ebay or something. 

Congratulations!!! If I remember correctly, one of the pages didn't quite come out right.

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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #86 on: March 19, 2008, 06:56:28 PM »
The excuse, in Levrone's case, is his acting career. Frank Sepe did the same, when he pursued modeling full-time. He dropped about 50 lbs. of muscle, and it paid off (literally and figuratively). The irony of it all is that Sepe has claimed that, even with all the muscle he shaved off, some modeling agencies STILL think he's too big.

And, Sepe also made the point that the NPC and IFBB aren't going anywhere. He can always get his lost size back, if he wants to pursue bodybuilding again. The same holds true for Levrone. Prince, however, is another story.

It's not necessarily the case that these bodybuilders would be "thin" due to merely stopping anabolics. Look at Kai Greene. He got his IFBB pro card in 2004. However, he competed as a pro in the WNBF for a while, winning its Mr. Universe and World Championships. That organization has a 7-year-drug-free policy, polygraphs all contestants, and drug-tests everyone who wins prize money.

While it appears that he has foregone his au naturel status, I don't think he would resemble Jimmie "JJ Evans" Walker, if he went back.

very few in the natural shows ae truly naturals,,they come from backround full of hormones,,when i say full of hormones i mean they encountered and used hormones and still do it while competing naturally at the right time ofcourse ,,,the stupid ones get cought via the easy to pass test but then again they are stupid since they never learned hormones from a half life time perspectvive which is the first and formost rule for any bodybuilder in a natural show,,

UNTIL THERE IS CONSISTENT BLOOD TESTING THERE IS NO NATURAL SHOWS BECAUSE INTENTION IS NOT ENOUGH ,,PEE PEE TEST IS A JOKE,,AND LIE DETECTOR IS WORSE THAN A JOKE SINCE EVERY ONE CAN PASS LIE DETECTOR ITS THE EASIEST THING TO DUE IF TAKING THE RIGHT MEDS BEFORE

stop preaching about natural shows,,they are not existing ,,the competitors all been to hormones were are and will be,,they dont use as many oils and they rely on orals a lot but its all the same,,

friends PLEASE understand ,,if you want gh15 to take this sport and give it some positive light in congress and get yoru hormones a lot less controled,,start with the simple fact of understanding the reality of what it takes to be a bodybuilder,,

most of you understand it and learned a lot in the last 2 years that gh15 has been here,,i expect you to wize up and help gh15 this coming fall and help in general by not talking too much about natural ,,its the lies that got this sport into a cult ,,the goverment do not like the lies,,lies start with simple things such as claiminign for truly natural shows like muscle mania and team universe while having homonized bodybuilders on stage
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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #87 on: March 19, 2008, 07:01:45 PM »
The polygraphs are PART of the routine; again, everyone who placed in the money gets drug-tested. And, looking at their laundry list of banned substances, the WNBF runs a pretty tight shift.

There may be some folks who try to buck the system. But, my take is why bother. If you're going to go through all that trouble to take anabolics, why not just enter an open show in the NPC?

My point was, overall, that simply stopping the use of anabolics doesn't necessarily mean someone's going to revert to being a twig. Greene's WNBF physique, compared to the one he currently sports now, makes that point.





Kai was naural when he won his WNBF titles as you aldready pointed out they run a vergy tight ship and do both urine tests and a real, extensive polygraph as a back up.
You will never get the "it's all about the drugs" crowd to change their thinking however.
This bunch comes in a few basic forms:
1. Least common of the drugs are everything group are the actual roid dealers and drug gurus. Ened the importantce of drugs and they are out of business.
2. The pro wannbes are next. These are mostly guys that don't have the genetics or whatever to be a pro of even win a major show, etc. Take away the delusional idea that success is mostly drugs and you take away thier crazy hope for the big time. Reality bites for this group.

3. The hardcore fan is the most common. This bunch just plain likes freaks on stage. Most are not the typical schmoes, but rather hardcore gym rats that admire big freaks for whatever reasons.
Take away extreme drug use from pro bodybuilding and you get guys more like Zane , which they don't like.
They are all for massive, freaky muscle over classical lines and Zane physiques.

For the 3 sub groups a sport that was not big into drugs and freaks, is something they have no interst in.
Thus, a drug free sport is no sport at all for them.
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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #88 on: March 19, 2008, 07:07:22 PM »
very few in the natural shows ae truly naturals,,they come from backround full of hormones,,when i say full of hormones i mean they encountered and used hormones and still do it while competing naturally at the right time ofcourse ,,,the stupid ones get cought via the easy to pass test but then again they are stupid since they never learned hormones from a half life time perspectvive which is the first and formost rule for any bodybuilder in a natural show,,

UNTIL THERE IS CONSISTENT BLOOD TESTING THERE IS NO NATURAL SHOWS BECAUSE INTENTION IS NOT ENOUGH ,,PEE PEE TEST IS A JOKE,,AND LIE DETECTOR IS WORSE THAN A JOKE SINCE EVERY ONE CAN PASS LIE DETECTOR ITS THE EASIEST THING TO DUE IF TAKING THE RIGHT MEDS BEFORE

stop preaching about natural shows,,they are not existing ,,the competitors all been to hormones were are and will be,,they dont use as many oils and they rely on orals a lot but its all the same,,

friends PLEASE understand ,,if you want gh15 to take this sport and give it some positive light in congress and get yoru hormones a lot less controled,,start with the simple fact of understanding the reality of what it takes to be a bodybuilder,,

most of you understand it and learned a lot in the last 2 years that gh15 has been here,,i expect you to wize up and help gh15 this coming fall and help in general by not talking too much about natural ,,its the lies that got this sport into a cult ,,the goverment do not like the lies,,lies start with simple things such as claiminign for truly natural shows like muscle mania and team universe while having homonized bodybuilders on stage
GH15 , you seem to be an intelligent fellow but also appear to have real vested interest and passion for drug use in bodybuilding. In my opinion, it is just as wrong to see one can't build a decent physique without drugs as it is to say that drugs don't mae any difference. Granted some guys in natural shows may have dabbled in small amounts of drugs over the years, but few use them when they do natural shows. You may consider a more moderate  and realistic view on this topic. I have seen too many decent physiqes built with no drugs over my years in bodybuilding. granted you won't see 250 lb plus freaks but you can see plenty if impressive guys doing quite well without drugs.I have seen a lot of great drug free physiques at body wts from 165 to 215.  All the best, Howard
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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #89 on: March 19, 2008, 07:56:49 PM »
165lb on stage? 5'10 5'9 maybe 5'8 natural 6-7% MAYBE,,200lb? in yoru dreams unless the guy stands 6'4 even then shredded guys at 6'4 that weight 197lb...they all on orals from winstrol to anavar to other goodies all in chase after growth all the time,,,friend all the sources in europe are loaded with 10s of thousands of orders for years,,who order it?? the 50 year old mother of 4? sometimes,,but mostly the local "natural",,the gym rat and the professional,,

everything you say would be good if you told it to someone else nto to gh15,,gh15 simply knows who buy what and where the money come from and goes to

all drugs friends,,all drugs that should not even be considered drugs since they are hormones natural to the body ,,remember i know what is a true natural lifter,, i know the muscle diameter that natural poses ,,,no one on stage now days is truly natural that include many peope who made their ntural career and money out of scam ,,,there is a minimal % stil natural but trust me THEY LOSE EVERY SINGLE SHOW THEY ENTER AND IN MOST CASES DO NOT PLACE OR PLACE LOW
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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #90 on: March 20, 2008, 01:30:05 AM »
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Kai was naural when he won his WNBF titles

must be the best natural I have ever seen and I have been to many WNBF shows in my country.

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as you aldready pointed out they run a vergy tight ship and do both urine tests and a real, extensive polygraph as a back up. You will never get the "it's all about the drugs" crowd to change their thinking however.This bunch comes in a few basic forms

again urine testing at only one point of time means bullshit. Also in some countries even the IFBB tests competitors qualifying for international amateur events respectively winners of these events. Polygraphs even mean horseshit. In most intelligent European they are not even allowed for court.


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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #91 on: March 20, 2008, 03:55:13 AM »
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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #92 on: March 20, 2008, 07:18:19 AM »
Howie


                 

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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #93 on: March 20, 2008, 08:19:55 AM »
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Fvck, Mike. Are you falling for this gh15 shit?????     Be your best without outside hormonal help and concentrate on something thats for real in life....education or" paying" sports.

Take your genetics as far as you can and move on.....    Some guys are gonna have incredible genetics with minimal efforts.   Shit i had a freind in 9th grade that was ripped and muscular enough to win a state title but wasnt interested in competiting.  Everyone has talents that others may not have.

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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #94 on: March 20, 2008, 11:46:14 AM »
very few in the natural shows ae truly naturals,,they come from backround full of hormones,,when i say full of hormones i mean they encountered and used hormones and still do it while competing naturally at the right time ofcourse ,,,the stupid ones get cought via the easy to pass test but then again they are stupid since they never learned hormones from a half life time perspectvive which is the first and formost rule for any bodybuilder in a natural show,,

UNTIL THERE IS CONSISTENT BLOOD TESTING THERE IS NO NATURAL SHOWS BECAUSE INTENTION IS NOT ENOUGH ,,PEE PEE TEST IS A JOKE,,AND LIE DETECTOR IS WORSE THAN A JOKE SINCE EVERY ONE CAN PASS LIE DETECTOR ITS THE EASIEST THING TO DUE IF TAKING THE RIGHT MEDS BEFORE

stop preaching about natural shows,,they are not existing ,,the competitors all been to hormones were are and will be,,they dont use as many oils and they rely on orals a lot but its all the same,

friends PLEASE understand ,,if you want gh15 to take this sport and give it some positive light in congress and get yoru hormones a lot less controled,,start with the simple fact of understanding the reality of what it takes to be a bodybuilder,,

most of you understand it and learned a lot in the last 2 years that gh15 has been here,,i expect you to wize up and help gh15 this coming fall and help in general by not talking too much about natural ,,its the lies that got this sport into a cult ,,the goverment do not like the lies,,lies start with simple things such as claiminign for truly natural shows like muscle mania and team universe while having homonized bodybuilders on stage

What you've done over the last two years is provide plenty of slapstick comedy, especially from your screwball claims of being an IFBB pro (a top-10 Olympia placer to boot). In fact, you were the one that hinted that you may actually be a FEMALE bodybuilder, pretty much deep-sixing your previous, but utterly silly claims.

On top of that, you've even advocated lying to make a living in bodybuilding, except when someone with a fairly-decent physique claims to be natural or drug-free. Then, it's time for your pitiful attempt at outrage.


Fvck, Mike. Are you falling for this gh15 shit?????     Be your best without outside hormonal help and concentrate on something thats for real in life....education or" paying" sports.

Take your genetics as far as you can and move on.....    Some guys are gonna have incredible genetics with minimal efforts.   Shit i had a freind in 9th grade that was ripped and muscular enough to win a state title but wasnt interested in competiting.  Everyone has talents that others may not have.

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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #95 on: March 20, 2008, 11:52:59 AM »
Kai was naural when he won his WNBF titles as you aldready pointed out they run a vergy tight ship and do both urine tests and a real, extensive polygraph as a back up.
You will never get the "it's all about the drugs" crowd to change their thinking however.
This bunch comes in a few basic forms:
1. Least common of the drugs are everything group are the actual roid dealers and drug gurus. Ened the importantce of drugs and they are out of business.
2. The pro wannbes are next. These are mostly guys that don't have the genetics or whatever to be a pro of even win a major show, etc. Take away the delusional idea that success is mostly drugs and you take away thier crazy hope for the big time. Reality bites for this group.

3. The hardcore fan is the most common. This bunch just plain likes freaks on stage. Most are not the typical schmoes, but rather hardcore gym rats that admire big freaks for whatever reasons.
Take away extreme drug use from pro bodybuilding and you get guys more like Zane , which they don't like.
They are all for massive, freaky muscle over classical lines and Zane physiques.

For the 3 sub groups a sport that was not big into drugs and freaks, is something they have no interst in.
Thus, a drug free sport is no sport at all for them.
Howard

After looking at their "banned substance" list, running a tight ship may have been an understatement. Heck, the WNBF is almost Draconian in their policy. You can't even use DHEA, the one prohormone that the government didn't ban a few years back.

Even supplements like Gaspari's Halodrol and Novedex XT are on the verboten list. If that 7-year drug-free policy applies to these OTC supplements, that would mean if you've used them this year, you'd have to stop and not take them (or anything similar) yet not be able to compete in a WNBF show until 2015.

And, if you pop positive, you're gone for at least 7 years, not merely disqualified for a particular contest.

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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #96 on: March 20, 2008, 02:46:12 PM »
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WNBF is almost Draconian in their policy

policy ≠ reality

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« Reply #97 on: March 20, 2008, 02:56:31 PM »
policy ≠ reality

Hope this helps.

Reality is: some cheating competitors ≠ all cheating competitors.

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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #98 on: March 20, 2008, 02:59:36 PM »
What you've done over the last two years is provide plenty of slapstick comedy, especially from your screwball claims of being an IFBB pro (a top-10 Olympia placer to boot). In fact, you were the one that hinted that you may actually be a FEMALE bodybuilder, pretty much deep-sixing your previous, but utterly silly claims.

On top of that, you've even advocated lying to make a living in bodybuilding, except when someone with a fairly-decent physique claims to be natural or drug-free. Then, it's time for your pitiful attempt at outrage.

AMEN to that!!



what ive done over the last 2 years is open the eyes of the misguided and got them out of illusion and into reality ,,the comedy aspect is all purposly done since everything is delivered beter via comedy,,the main points were delivered and understood though ,,i have questions over questions waiting for answers maybe you want to answer them it will help gh15 a lot ,,

the main question you should ask yourself is WHO BENEFIT FROM STANDING ON SUPOSDLY NATURAL STAGE ALL HORMONIZED,,YOU KNOW WHO? THOSE GUYS WITH LESS THAN PHENOMINAL RESPOND TO HORMONES THAT NEED THOSE SO CALLED NATURAL COMPETITION INORDER TO GET A CAREER GOIGN OR A MAGAZINE PAGE,,IN REALITY THEY ARE THE WORST LIARS AND PART BIG PART OF THE REASON WE AS A SPORT ARE CONSIDERED A CULT,,A CULT IS WHERE EVERY ATIVITY IS KEPT IN A VERY SMALL GROUP ALL HIDDEN FROM MAIN SOCIETY ,,A CULT WILL COUNT AS A BETRAY ANYONE WHO GO AGAINST IT AND GH15 DID,,I WASNT PUNISHED BECAUSE I WAS SMART! WHAT GH15 DID IS OPEN THE EYES OF 10S OD THOUSANDS FITNESS ENTHUSIASTIC TO WHAT IT REALLY TAKES TO COMPETE IN BODYBUILDING AND ACTUALLY DO SOME DAMAGE OR GET A MAGAZINE COVER PAGE,,FOR GOD SAKE EVEN THE HOMO MAGAZINES ARE ALL FULL OF HORMONIZED HOMOS ON THE COVERS,,I TOLD YOU BEFORE HERE THE TOPPEST SOURCES FROM EUROPE MAKE SO MUCH MONEY THEY OWN 3 HOUSES BEFORE YOU BUY A TV,,YOU SIMPLY DONT GET IT FRIEND AND MOST LIKLEY NEVER WILL,,

yes bodybuilding can be done naturally ,,NO it is not being done so now days,,no there is no test since no blood test is taken on regular basis and YES it can be accomplished but money for this test is too much and bodybuilding is not the most profitable sport and i do believe hormones should be used in bodybuilding and so does any one in the ifbb and npc but you need to be politically correct untill the due date when everythign becomes less controlled and more reasonable,,

i can assure you that bodybuilders on natural stage never touch 200lb at 4-5% at 5'10 or under,,not naturally,,the best naturals with the greatest genetics as you like to call it with huge potential are 5'6 175lb on stage and they also play with cocktails of trenbolone ace and winstrols ,,suspensions and winstrol,,those are the best of the best "naturals"

gh is common for naturals to take in low doses since no one will ever know,,insulin is natural no one will know since so many people diabetic no one can say nothing,,duretics is something naturals try to stay away from but many of them use those too as of 2008,,

you will notice something very common with all hormonized people in culding females,,its a secret gh15 tellin you here that no one pay attention to,,,every hormonized person at some point look like they got down syndrom type of face,competing "naturally" wont help you there see skip ,,its just a down syndrom face due to syntetic use of hormones,,most of the hormonizedd lifters also look 5-10 years older than their actual age but that involve heavier use of hormones and you will find it mainly on npc and ifbb stages not "natural" stages since the naturals use only what they have to inorder to place well or win a show they are what we call semi pros like semi pro football leage if you know what i mean,,they use only what they need inordee to keep the illusion alive

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Re: The most retarded of all the BB drug myths
« Reply #99 on: March 20, 2008, 03:07:41 PM »
what ive done over the last 2 years is open the eyes of the misguided and got them out of illusion and into reality ,,the comedy aspect is all purposly done since everything is delivered beter via comedy,,the main points were delivered and understood though ,,i have questions over questions waiting for answers maybe you want to answer them it will help gh15 a lot ,,

the main question you should ask yourself is WHO BENEFIT FROM STANDING ON SUPOSDLY NATURAL STAGE ALL HORMONIZED,,YOU KNOW WHO? THOSE GUYS WITH LESS THAN PHENOMINAL RESPOND TO HORMONES THAT NEED THOSE SO CALLED NATURAL COMPETITION INORDER TO GET A CAREER GOIGN OR A MAGAZINE PAGE,,IN REALITY THEY ARE THE WORST LIARS AND PART BIG PART OF THE REASON WE AS A SPORT ARE CONSIDERED A CULT,,A CULT IS WHERE EVERY ATIVITY IS KEPT IN A VERY SMALL GROUP ALL HIDDEN FROM MAIN SOCIETY ,,A CULT WILL COUNT AS A BETRAY ANYONE WHO GO AGAINST IT AND GH15 DID,,I WASNT PUNISHED BECAUSE I WAS SMART! WHAT GH15 DID IS OPEN THE EYES OF 10S OD THOUSANDS FITNESS ENTHUSIASTIC TO WHAT IT REALLY TAKES TO COMPETE IN BODYBUILDING AND ACTUALLY DO SOME DAMAGE OR GET A MAGAZINE COVER PAGE,,FOR GOD SAKE EVEN THE HOMO MAGAZINES ARE ALL FULL OF HORMONIZED HOMOS ON THE COVERS,,I TOLD YOU BEFORE HERE THE TOPPEST SOURCES FROM EUROPE MAKE SO MUCH MONEY THEY OWN 3 HOUSES BEFORE YOU BUY A TV,,YOU SIMPLY DONT GET IT FRIEND AND MOST LIKLEY NEVER WILL,,

yes bodybuilding can be done naturally ,,NO it is not being done so now days,,no there is no test since no blood test is taken on regular basis and YES it can be accomplished but money for this test is too much and bodybuilding is not the most profitable sport and i do believe hormones should be used in bodybuilding and so does any one in the ifbb and npc but you need to be politically correct untill the due date when everythign becomes less controlled and more reasonable,,

i can assure you that bodybuilders on natural stage never touch 200lb at 4-5% at 5'10 or under,,not naturally,,the best naturals with the greatest genetics as you like to call it with huge potential are 5'6 175lb on stage and they also play with cocktails of trenbolone ace and winstrols ,,suspensions and winstrol,,those are the best of the best "naturals"

gh is common for naturals to take in low doses since no one will ever know,,insulin is natural no one will know since so many people diabetic no one can say nothing,,duretics is something naturals try to stay away from but many of them use those too as of 2008,,

you will notice something very common with all hormonized people in culding females,,its a secret gh15 tellin you here that no one pay attention to,,,every hormonized person at some point look like they got down syndrom type of face,competing "naturally" wont help you there see skip ,,its just a down syndrom face due to syntetic use of hormones,,most of the hormonizedd lifters also look 5-10 years older than their actual age but that involve heavier use of hormones and you will find it mainly on npc and ifbb stages not "natural" stages since the naturals use only what they have to inorder to place well or win a show they are what we call semi pros like semi pro football leage if you know what i mean,,they use only what they need inordee to keep the illusion alive

*gh15 is top 6 not only top 10,,but yes top 6 is part of top 10 so ok





Yes. gh15 is top 6 and admits hes never taken steroids......down syndrome......LOL.