For some reason(s) that are his business, Mike A. deson't like my posts, threads or what I have to say.
That is his choice and I still respect his positions and efforts in his own bodybuilding.
Yes, warhorse you really cut to the real nature of my post here. Bodybuilding , (in my oinion)was never meant to be an end all/be all kind of pro sport. I liked it better when the amatuer AAU Mr America was the big deal and guys took pride in going for a win or top place in their state meets, etc.
GH15, would like everyone intersted in bodybuilding to think it all about drugs and little else. That is a pretty extreme, narrow minded statement. As you pointed out with your HS athletes example, some guys looked ripped just walking around, due to awesome genetics.
I am 5'9" and was able to place in the top 3 mens open at age 20 at 185 lbs after only 2 yrs of serious lifting at age 20. I barely knew what a steroid was and like many of those I lifted with, wouldn't have known where or how to get them if we wanted to back then in ol' NH. GH15 can give all his ideas and theories about how limited and pathetic drug free bodybuilders are. I know for a fact what I did, without drugs ( from 78-81) and ( 87-95). I compted at a ripped 200 at my drug free peak in 1994 and know others that didn't use any juice that looked decent in local/state/regional shows. Gh15 can spout his pro drug rhetoric all he wants and some will buy it, others like us won't.
Once again, saying drugs are EVERYTHING and NOBODY can make gains without them, is like saying drugs don't make difference. Both kinds of statements are extreme, narrow minded and over generalized.
Reality is a lot more in the shade of grey , than balck or white.
Howard
pay attention to the numbers you say 180lb !! you competed at 180lb ! defenitely wasnt at 3-4% trust me on that,,in additionin the 80s you have done drugs ,,you were not natural you were clean and even that i very much doubt,,looking at you one time these days the arm scream dianabol and testo wether it is creme form liquid form it doesnt matter,,you simply got the hormone level high enough to producte side effects that are result of hormone use at older age and you do not use the ae and ai to prevent those sides so its very obvious,,notice when you flex your arm where the water is and yes it is water not fat ,,it is water that held between the muscle andd skin due to the use of hormons thus giving you the ability to claim 19 inch arms in addition to many years of training but those hormones with out them my friend yu owill sit at 16 inch arms even after those 20 years of training,,none in bodybuilding are truly natural on solid food and thats it,,no one!
remember you said 2 years fo SERIOUS LIFTING and all you could achieve is 180lb on stage and far from ripped as ripped for you those days and now days is most likley 6-8% like most locals,,
the reason i even answer those redicoulous posts on this thread is because i want the youngsters to read my posts when they go back years from now and understand what i was talking about,,it is for them i write this,,
when you competed at 200lb you may have been CLEAN but no where near 4-5% ,,you know it and gh15 knows it,,
i hear on this board sometimes redicoulous claims saying i did this and that i was 230lb naturally at single digit drug free at 5'8 ,,doesnt work this way friends,,most of thsoe claimers are liars and severely insecure and always up to prove something thats why taking bodybuilding to begin with ,,
get the word 200lb /6%/5'9out of your head if you are truly natural ,,you simply wont get there,,you wont have the thickness and the fulness ,,naturals are swimming in the 140-180lb swimming pool and even they use as much shit as they can from adro popers to sdi craps ,,what they dont know is that half of this shit m1t for example is aas
to mcowy i wont even bother answering,,the fella is out of his mind
