Harsh Gym Owning...care of the Croatch

[MisterMagoo]

Every few months Zacharias puts down his top bears penis long enough to absolutely dominate a thread in hilarious antics. This is such a thread.

Croatch is probably bitter that his body doesn't respond well to gear.

hey, sometimes he gets chafed and needs time to recover. that gives me a little window to hop on getbig and do some posting.

[Croatch]

so croatch needs therapy and kyomu looks excellent.

i think that we can shut this thread down, that's the take-home message.

haha   I'm glad someone is getting the point.

Every few months Zacharias puts down his top bears penis long enough to absolutely dominate a thread in hilarious antics. This is such a thread.

Croatch is probably bitter that his body doesn't respond well to gear.

Yeah, 35lbs in 2 months on sauce...I'd say that's a "poor" respsone.   Probably a lot of bloat, but still...that's with a regular person diet and being 18 at the time, knowing nothing about gear.  I'm not sure how much I'd gain today, seeing I know how to diet, train harder, slower metabolism...maybe 400lbs and shredded @5' 8"?  What do you think?
With gear involved, I'd probably be @240lbs lean...still 5' 8".  Of course, on my blocky frame, I wouldn't have a 28" waist, etc...but overall size and leaness, sure.  I have zero desire to be a pretender though, I'd rather stick to being @210lbs without using imitation serum.
Also, I can't imagine being a grown adult lying to people about it's my "hardcore dedication" only, that gets me my gains.  Whenever the topic of roids comes up, I try to keep from spewing on random people about how few can do much naturally, etc.  In general, most people don't give a shit..haha  I would just feel like a clown having no integrity in who I was.  Consider how many lie about roid use...on the forum though, everyone is up front and promotes gear..haha  Not in real life though, they'd be laughed at and thought of as cheaters and drug addicts.  That's just how it is.
We post on a forum where maybe 35% of the people juice themselves, so of course, opinions are jaded.  Talk to any average person and they'll think steroid users are douchebag meatheads and that's the only reason they're big (not always true).  I remember watching a Ronnie Coleman video once and this group of people came in and began to watch it.  The general conception was, "What a fucking idiot.  This guy can't even speak.  I wonder how many drugs he takes."  So, even though he has a great physique, juicers really hurt the bodybuilding image, whether you realize it or not.

[MisterMagoo]

croatch, all flames aside, there's a few things you need to remember.

1) the reason people lie about it is because it's illegal and people need to keep their asses covered. ever notice no one kept it quiet when they used OTC pro-hormones, even the real strong ones like m1t and such? it's not because they're ashamed, it's because they want to keep safe.

2) you can't use ronnie coleman as an example, you gotta use, for example, pro wrestlers or strongman competitors. i know tons of people who agree that they use steroids, but also laugh and say "dude i could take that shit all day every day and never get that strong". ronnie coleman looks bad because he IS a bag of chemicals and engages in a non-performance activity. it's a "sport" of vanity.

i don't use either, but i have zero problems with those who do as long as they give it their all. it doesn't add to or subtract from my opinion of them. i don't think they're "more dedicated" for using, nor do i call them cheaters (it's not "cheating" if you're at a point impossible for a natural). i call those who use steroids to make up for dedication idiots, but that's a different story altogether.

[GoneAway]

i cant believe we're still debating that steroids are 'bad' and naturals are 'better than juicers.' lol give me a break

[Croatch]

i cant believe we're still debating that steroids are 'bad' and naturals are 'better than juicers.' lol give me a break

Steroids aren't bad or immoral.  And naturals are not better than juicers.  Steroids are the consolation prize for people who can't achieve much naturally.  There are some exceptions, but very few.
The end.

[Camel Jockey]

Steroids aren't bad or immoral.  And naturals are not better than juicers.  Steroids are the consolation prize for people who can't achieve much naturally.  There are some exceptions, but very few.
The end.

But they can achieve much naturally.. A person who's reached his potential has much to gain from ASS in the from of vanity, attention, self confidence and much more. Isn't that why most people hit the weights in the first place? Same goes for people taking the short route. What you have to understand is that it's not about achievement for most, but about tackling insecurity, wanting acceptance, or filling some other void in life.

[GoneAway]

croatch, camel jockey, valid points but every single person has a different reason for wanting to stay natty or hit the juice. achieving something IN bbing IS vanity, because it's a sport dedicated to how u look. nothing wrong with that at all. juice just makes it easier and faster for most, but that's not to say they couldnt have done well with their own genetics, but it would be nowhere near what they can achieve on juice. isnt it about being the best u can be? thats what i thought..

[Camel Jockey]

croatch, camel jockey, valid points but every single person has a different reason for wanting to stay natty or hit the juice. achieving something IN bbing IS vanity, because it's a sport dedicated to how u look. nothing wrong with that at all. juice just makes it easier and faster for most, but that's not to say they couldnt have done well with their own genetics, but it would be nowhere near what they can achieve on juice. isnt it about being the best u can be? thats what i thought..

Great point.. You'll never look as good naturally compared to when you're on teh juice.

Most people on juice aren't mass monsters, and have no intention to be like that. They just want to be above average..

[MisterMagoo]

Steroids aren't bad or immoral.  And naturals are not better than juicers.  Steroids are the consolation prize for people who can't achieve much naturally.  There are some exceptions, but very few.
The end.

this is what insecure people say to make themselves feel better when they see juicers bigger than them. "well if he was natural i'd be bigger than him!!" no better than skinny people who say of powerlifters "if he dieted down he'd be 150 pounds with 13 inch arms!" give me a break.

yes, there are those who use steroids to mask a lack of dedication, but your ad nauseum bitching about steroids in general is just insufferable. haven't you noticed that every time you create these threads the majority of the boards none-too-kindly requests that you shut up? even the naturals?

you, my friend, are the "natural" who gives naturals a bad name. the sad thing is, you aren't even natural. if you'd never taken gear, you wouldn't be the size you are.

[mesmorph78]

funny thread
 

[Croatch]

this is what insecure people say to make themselves feel better when they see juicers bigger than them. "well if he was natural i'd be bigger than him!!" no better than skinny people who say of powerlifters "if he dieted down he'd be 150 pounds with 13 inch arms!" give me a break.

yes, there are those who use steroids to mask a lack of dedication, but your ad nauseum bitching about steroids in general is just insufferable. haven't you noticed that every time you create these threads the majority of the boards none-too-kindly requests that you shut up? even the naturals?

you, my friend, are the "natural" who gives naturals a bad name. the sad thing is, you aren't even natural. if you'd never taken gear, you wouldn't be the size you are.

The reason so many get bend on when I post, is because I say it like it is.  Whether you agree or not, is irrelevant.  Again, I dominate most who juice...what don't you understand about that?  I don't see some guy who is 250lbs and go..."Man, he were natural, I'd be bigger."  haha, Give me a break.  I never think that.  I do however laugh at the dickbrains who I own with no drugs.  It's hard to be jealous of someone smaller, less ripped than you...isn't it?
As far as the "if you'd never taken gear, you wouldn't be the size you are"...You're probably right.  The one 2 month cycle I took 14 years back ENTIRELY CHANGED MY DNA FOR LIFE.  I owe all my gains to it actually.  Here's the secret, take roids for about 2 months....now loose all that, take a few years off lifting...drop down to @150lbs.  Now, because you have some dbol residue in your blood, when you hit the weights again...>BOOM!!  210lbs...the best part is, you don't even need drugs now.
 
I hope you realize how foolish you sound. 

What you have to understand is that it's not about achievement for most, but about tackling insecurity, wanting acceptance, or filling some other void in life.

Not all, but many I'm sure.  Steroids are for boys pretending to be men.
Next topic.

[PANDAEMONIUM]

I don't see some guy who is 250lbs and go..."Man, he were natural, I'd be bigger." 

lol dude 250 ain't really that big.  Maybe for a 5'7" midget it is but not otherwise

[thelamefalsehood]

Get over yourself dude. No one gives two sh*ts how great you think you are. You never see juicers going around to naturals putting them down or whatever because they are weaker or smaller. But, guys like you always love to strut around saying," he juices but I'm bigger, so I'm the best, they cheated, they suck" I guess you better get off all the protein, creatine, BCAA's and vitamins, because if it didn't grow out of the ground or was killed and skinned, then its man made, hence NOT NATURAL. Juice can be used as a tool to get bigger and stronger. The ones who abuse it and shrink when they come off are usually young and ignorant, and only work arms and chest, because thats what the chickies like. And you really must work out at a bitch gym, because all other gyms I've worked out at where the guys were sauced, they would own you 7 days a week bro. A word of advice, quit being such a douchebag

[Croatch]

Get over yourself dude. No one gives two sh*ts how great you think you are. You never see juicers going around to naturals putting them down or whatever because they are weaker or smaller. But, guys like you always love to strut around saying," he juices but I'm bigger, so I'm the best, they cheated, they suck" I guess you better get off all the protein, creatine, BCAA's and vitamins, because if it didn't grow out of the ground or was killed and skinned, then its man made, hence NOT NATURAL. Juice can be used as a tool to get bigger and stronger. The ones who abuse it and shrink when they come off are usually young and ignorant, and only work arms and chest, because thats what the chickies like. And you really must work out at a bitch gym, because all other gyms I've worked out at where the guys were sauced, they would own you 7 days a week bro. A word of advice, quit being such a douchebag

You have to love the "creatine, glutamine, bcaa's" aren't natural argument.  Most people would put gear and those in the same category, for sure.
I should go to your gym.  It appears most there have great genetics and genetic response to gear...I'd actually prefer that environment.  I'd probably push harder to pwn them too.

lol dude 250 ain't really that big.  Maybe for a 5'7" midget it is but not otherwise

I apologize.  I forgot we were on getbig.  250lbs lean muscle isn't very big.  Even for someone 6' tall.  Good point.

I never cease to be amazed at the "insightful" comments on this board.   What we have here, are rationalization for abusing drugs, nothing more.  Face it, most can't do jack shit without some drug cocktail.  If you're one of them, I feel sorry for you.
Let's move on now...
Croatch

[PANDAEMONIUM]

I forgot we were on getbig.  250lbs lean muscle isn't very big.  Even for someone 6' tall.  Good point.

Well 250 LEAN is impressive (depending of course on what you mean by "lean").  I thought you were talking in general terms, no bodyfat restrictions.  Mind you, I'm not talking about a "pumphard" type who weighs 360 lbs at 47% BF

[mesmorph78]

croatch let is go man.....
u seem to have some deep underlying issues with guys who take gear....
the funny thing is you said yourself .... at some point
ive never so im completely natural does it mean im better than you
no?
im probably stronger than you... from what ive seen of ur vids
does it mean im better no..
should i rag on you like you rag on people who take gear..
cmon dude let it go

[War-Horse]

croatch let is go man.....
u seem to have some deep underlying issues with guys who take gear....
the funny thing is you said yourself .... at some point
ive never so im completely natural does it mean im better than you
no?
im probably stronger than you... from what ive seen of ur vids
does it mean im better no..
should i rag on you like you rag on people who take gear..
cmon dude let it go

Meso.  Do the getbig show and Ill jump in too.     Could be the best one yet!!

[SirTraps]

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Get over yourself dude. No one gives two sh*ts how great you think you are. You never see juicers going around to naturals putting them down or whatever because they are weaker or smaller.[/b] But, guys like you always love to strut around saying," he juices but I'm bigger, so I'm the best, they cheated, they suck" I guess you better get off all the protein, creatine, BCAA's and vitamins, because if it didn't grow out of the ground or was killed and skinned, then its man made, hence NOT NATURAL. Juice can be used as a tool to get bigger and stronger. The ones who abuse it and shrink when they come off are usually young and ignorant, and only work arms and chest, because thats what the chickies like. And you really must work out at a bitch gym, because all other gyms I've worked out at where the guys were sauced, they would own you 7 days a week bro. A word of advice, quit being such a douchebag

    LOL Fat Alex was ripping on Croatch just a few weeks ago, then posting pictures of his small fat frame juiced up-claiming superiority.

      Then the latest pics of Fat Alex come out-shit genetics, small, fat saggy chest-huge gut....OFF THE SAUCE. 

            Naturals with great genetics always piss off juicers......i was inclining 315 natural, to the chagrin of several weaker juicers.  hahaha    Most of them are insecure thats why they cant come off the sauce.

[mesmorph78]

Meso.  Do the getbig show and Ill jump in too.     Could be the best one yet!!

 
im still thinkin about it man

[MisterMagoo]

The reason so many get bend on when I post, is because I say it like it is.  Whether you agree or not, is irrelevant.  Again, I dominate most who juice...what don't you understand about that?  I don't see some guy who is 250lbs and go..."Man, he were natural, I'd be bigger."  haha, Give me a break.  I never think that.  I do however laugh at the dickbrains who I own with no drugs.  It's hard to be jealous of someone smaller, less ripped than you...isn't it?
As far as the "if you'd never taken gear, you wouldn't be the size you are"...You're probably right.  The one 2 month cycle I took 14 years back ENTIRELY CHANGED MY DNA FOR LIFE.  I owe all my gains to it actually.  Here's the secret, take roids for about 2 months....now loose all that, take a few years off lifting...drop down to @150lbs.  Now, because you have some dbol residue in your blood, when you hit the weights again...>BOOM!!  210lbs...the best part is, you don't even need drugs now.
 
I hope you realize how foolish you sound.  Not all, but many I'm sure.  Steroids are for boys pretending to be men.
Next topic.

there is no "next topic" for you, dumbass. you have one topic: bitching about steroids.

anyway, the reason people get "bend" out of shape when you post is because you're a complete jackass. you don't "tell it like it is", that's an excuse thickheaded troglodytes make when they get their due backlash for running off at the mouth while their brains are shut down. "oh you just can't handle it, i'm telling it like it is."

first of all, no you're not. that story didn't happen. none of them did. you lift at gold's. i'm sure that out of the oodles and oodles of people that lift there you could find a bunch of them who juice to mask a lack of dedication. congrats, you have eyeballs. but the fact is a) no one gives a shit, b) you look like a toolbox for continually pointing it out.

i'm willing to bet this is all because you wore your "natural bodybuilding" shirt to the gym and some 280 pound hulk look at you and laughed, saying "natural, huh? no shit!!!" and then walked away. you want some respect? do your thing and quit this BS crusade. haven't you noticed it's even naturals on here who are telling you to shut the hell up?

[War-Horse]

im still thinkin about it man

Thats not fair!!!  Your already ripped...Ill need 4 months to prep...




Give a brother (In Iron) a break.

[mesmorph78]

ha ha... im bigger but im still the same bf
...but see it takes me longer to get bigger..

[sgt. d]

serios question croatch

Why are you afraid of steroids and fake tits?

[Palpatine Q]

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As far as the "if you'd never taken gear, you wouldn't be the size you are"...You're probably right.  The one 2 month cycle I took 14 years back ENTIRELY CHANGED MY DNA FOR LIFE.  I owe all my gains to it actually. 

Hate to piss in your cornflakes Croatch, but that's TRUE.

You raised your genetic set-point by putting on those 35 gear-induced pounds, whether you like it or not.

How come you haven't put on ANOTHER 35 lbs naturally?

You basically look the same now as you did 3 years ago.  The only way you are ever going to make another MAJOR leap in your physique is by gearing up (again)

  Sorry

[bmuscle90]

Its stupid how people take drugs and think they look good and are tough when really they cant put up any weight and walk with deformed bodyparts and guts.  Its sad how bodybuilding is today.. just all drugs and nothing but guts, and fluid filled bodies.  Natural is the way to go.  Dont have to worry about all these problems and waste time and money on stupid stuff.