DC TRAINING

[BigIronMike25]

Anyone have any good experience with this type of training?....I'm planning on trying it out during my next BULKING PHASE

[davie]

Anyone have any good experience with this type of training?....I'm planning on trying it out during my next BULKING PHASE

Im doing it at the moment, so is natural Al. Hes the man to talk to as hes been doing it longer than me.

Succes wise....i start at the end of january 2007, and so far im put on about 25lbs (im almost finished an 8 wek blast - end of next week actually), so hopefully itl be more than that by then.

davie

[Slintowin4424]

Absolutely worthless training Giant sets is the way to go 

[davie]

Absolutely worthless training Giant sets is the way to go 

YAWN!!!!!!!!

No training method is absolutely useless if people are gettting great results from it. It might not b the best for u personally, but calling it useless is very ignorant.

davie

[local hero]

makes u much stronger,,, big potential for injury tho

[davie]

makes u much stronger,,, big potential for injury tho

Could be true local hero, but i found that its taught me alot, i dont just mean about hoe to lift. iv learnt new ways of performing xcercises like skull crushers/db incline curls,and new things like reverse bench etc that have helped me.

Iv also learnt alot about nutrition, that b4 i started DC (probably down to dumb youthfull ignorance) i didnt adhere to.

I train with alot more intensity now. Now im not saying DC alone has done this....but its not just a routine template, its a kind of total training outlook and approach, and iv learnt alot from it, and am 25+lbs (iv still to weigh myself at the end of next week, as im mid way through an 8 week blast at the moment) heavier, and alot stronger, in 13 months.

Im actually thinking of moving away from it for a while so im not just saying this as a blind DC follower,but iv spent more time doing this than anyother protocol, and thats b/c it gave results straight away e.g. my 1st 8 week blast i was up 8lbs.

davie

[Slintowin4424]

YAWN!!!!!!!!

No training method is absolutely useless if people are gettting great results from it. It might not b the best for u personally, but calling it useless is very ignorant.

davie

Absolutely worthless come train with me and I guarentee you will not make it through one workout

[davie]

Im sure i could say teh same about properly done DC sessions. And y would i not want to make it thru a workout??

Im not wanting to start a 'my training methods are better' argument. I merely meant that yes ur right giant sets probs are the best thing..for you. But to say that another protocol is useless when it might very well be the best method for someone else is crazy.

Im glad giant sets work so well for u, but that doesnt mean everyone will reap the same benifits.

davie

[local hero]

dont get me wrong,, i had a little try of it and i loved it,,, was a great change, it makes u fight to beat the reps/weights and does make your lifts shoot up, as u know, u dont want to loose your fave exersizes.. but i found it very hard on the joints pushing it everytime,, i never go heavy at all now, built most the size i'll ever need tho

[davie]

Correction, weighed myself last monday after a 6 1/2 week blast (i was feeling spent-not just b/c of gym work, outisde factors too), and i was up 10lbs after the 6 1/2 weeks. I cant see many obvious fat gains. That puts me up 30lbs in just under14 months.

The previous blast i only went up 4lbs in 8 weeks, so i added another 2 cans of tuna to my daily eating plan (50g's pure protien in other words), and the weight started climbing again.

davie

[Miss Demeanor]

Absolutely worthless come train with me and I guarentee you will not make it through one workout

With all respect, how much "growth" can you stimulate as a result of one workout?

I am very familiar with DC training through my boyfriend.  DC strategy is continuous progression over time.  With other methods, you can annihilate a bodypart every so often, and that's great ... I'm sure the edema would last a good, long time -- perhaps long enough that the swelling stretches the fascia enough to make room for legitimate new growth.

But really, who is going to make more progress?  The average, natural guy who giant-sets his way from 135 lb. squats to 225, or a similar guy who fights tooth and nail to move his squat up 250 lbs. in the same time?

Maybe it's a misnomer that most of the biggest bodybuilders are the ones who made themselves the strongest *they* can be, but there sure is a long list of guys who prove the point:  Chris Cormier, Dorian Yates, Ronnie Coleman, Kevin Levrone, Bertil Fox, Franco Columbu, et al.

[Miss Demeanor]

YAWN!!!!!!!!

No training method is absolutely useless if people are gettting great results from it. It might not b the best for u personally, but calling it useless is very ignorant.

davie

I agree Davie.  I have seen the results of DC training first-hand with three people:  my boyfriend, my dad and my brother.  High-frequency, low-volume, very high-intensity training is NOTHING to sneeze at. 

I would like to see Milos and his giant sets take a middleweight and blow him up into a legitimate heavyweight as DC has done.

[MisterMagoo]

I agree Davie.  I have seen the results of DC training first-hand with three people:  my boyfriend, my dad and my brother.  High-frequency, low-volume, very high-intensity training is NOTHING to sneeze at. 

I would like to see Milos and his giant sets take a middleweight and blow him up into a legitimate heavyweight as DC has done.

i really believe milos's training is only for people who have all the size they want but want to "refine" it. i also think that's kind of stupid, but what do i know.

all i know is that when i was able to do a 195/175/155/135x8/8/8/8 drop set of front squats, my legs weren't that big compared to when i was doing much less weight. when i got up to my first 405 squat ass on my calves, my legs were a hell of a lot bigger than when i could only do 295.

[240 is Back]

I've yet to hear of anyone making great leg growth using DC.

Chest, arms, back blow up.  Legs though, I dunno.

[Cap]

I've yet to hear of anyone making great leg growth using DC.

Chest, arms, back blow up.  Legs though, I dunno.

I think the problem is the volume needed to grow legs.  I think because the legs can take so much abuse, much like calves, they need a base of volume to build size and then something else can be used to "refine" them so to speak.

[davie]

Well as dante (creator of DC) says, show me someone who has gone from squatting ass to grass 225 for 20 reps, to 405 for 20 reps, and il show u someone who has big legs.

davie

[Cap]

Well as dante (creator of DC) says, show me someone who has gone from squatting ass to grass 225 for 20 reps, to 405 for 20 reps, and il show u someone who has big legs.

davie

The athetes I know personally with big legs didn't get their size from that type of training specifically.  There are merits to Dante's training methods and it shows in people who grow.  The average Joe is not going to be doing 405 for 20 though.  I've done 275 for 20 and that was hell.  I couldn't imagine much more weight than that for that many reps. 

[DOGGCRAPP]

I've yet to hear of anyone making great leg growth using DC.

Chest, arms, back blow up.  Legs though, I dunno.

Really? If I ever hear any complaint more than any other in all my years its "my legs are blowing up and Im afraid they are going to get way ahead of my upper body"

If I had a nickel every time Ive heard that, I'd be driving a Ford GT right now.....heres a couple guys who agree with me

[ngm21084]

Really? If I ever hear any complaint more than any other in all my years its "my legs are blowing up and Im afraid they are going to get way ahead of my upper body"

If I had a nickel every time Ive heard that, I'd be driving a Ford GT right now.....heres a couple guys who agree with me

damn bro those are some tree trunks right there...you use DC training exclusively or do you rotate with other things?

[candidizzle]

damn bro those are some tree trunks right there...you use DC training exclusively or do you rotate with other things?

bro...'doggcrapp" is dante...the originator of "dc" training..

my opinion is that dc training is a good option to take if you have reached a wall and arent growing any more from high volume.  but is it better than high volume? i dont think so. i think it works well to shock the muscles. and i think the eating plan that goes along with dc is probably a big factor in guys gaining muscle mass....   alot of guys only eat 200-300 g protein daily...and dc recommends 500 g daily...   i am a huge believer i high protein intake, and i agree with dante on this.    but as far as traiing for atrophy goes...the science just isnt behind "high intensity"..   from everything i have read about the correct ways to stimulate maximum growth, the pump and fatique and high rep range exercises all contribute greatly to the buildup of new proteins.   

[ngm21084]

bro...'doggcrapp" is dante...the originator of "dc" training..
my opinion is that dc training is a good option to take if you have reached a wall and arent growing any more from high volume.  but is it better than high volume? i dont think so. i think it works well to shock the muscles. and i think the eating plan that goes along with dc is probably a big factor in guys gaining muscle mass....   alot of guys only eat 200-300 g protein daily...and dc recommends 500 g daily...   i am a huge believer i high protein intake, and i agree with dante on this.    but as far as traiing for atrophy goes...the science just isnt behind "high intensity"..   from everything i have read about the correct ways to stimulate maximum growth, the pump and fatique and high rep range exercises all contribute greatly to the buildup of new proteins.   

my bad bro im not the resident expert on who everyone is on getbig...but those are some serious wheels hes got going on..

[Emmortal]

Those aren't his wheels, they're some of his clients and people who use DC training.

[ngm21084]

Those aren't his wheels, they're some of his clients and people who use DC training.

again i apologize....well whos ever wheels i wish mine would look like that...

[MisterMagoo]

I think the problem is the volume needed to grow legs.  I think because the legs can take so much abuse, much like calves, they need a base of volume to build size and then something else can be used to "refine" them so to speak.

not sure i'd agree there. i mean, i use pretty high volume i suppose, but most of it is sets of 5 or less and my legs are the biggest they've ever been. it's like dante said a while ago, make your squat go from 225 to 405 and your legs will grow.

i think people get a little too carried away with trying to be tom platz and do massively long sets and retardedly high reps, but that ain't universal.

[candidizzle]

not sure i'd agree there. i mean, i use pretty high volume i suppose, but most of it is sets of 5 or less and my legs are the biggest they've ever been. it's like dante said a while ago, make your squat go from 225 to 405 and your legs will grow.

i think people get a little too carried away with trying to be tom platz and do massively long sets and retardedly high reps, but that ain't universal.

there ar 185 lb powerlifters with 15 inch arms and 20 inch legs that can bench over 315 and can squat 500+..


strength does not equal size

however, to some degree size does = strength..

that is to say..you can get STRONG without getting bigger, but you cannnot get BIGGER without getting at least a little bit STRONGER