B&A International Classic - not NPC approved

[G o a t b o y]

You mean there was a conflict of interest because Bob is associated with that company? Doesn't matter because that was a third tier show and nobody cares who won it.  Well, except for Pavol and Rusty!

So you're saying Bob finally found a show where he could excel?





http://snappoll.com/poll/263548.php

[Vince B]

Bob is a student of bodybuilding and would have seen what Arnold did to win contests. You know, network with important people like the judges and IFBB officials. It all paid off. He got what he deserved and he deserved what he got. Doesn't mean he was the best man in an IFBB contest, does it?

Can anyone imagine Bob on the phone to JM? "Jesus, I have Meltdown, Onlyme, Goatboy and that prick Basile to deal with in one thread!"

[Meltdown]

Bob could care less.He is a True Pro just looking out for number 1 himself just like most Pros.That's why he loves the fact the IFBB don't Drug test makes them all look better promoting shit supps that don't work.Would you spend $2000 on Drugs or $2000 on supps for a Pro show.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.Kno wing they the IFBB don't Drug test Most would go with DRUGS.

[Vince B]

It won't be long before Bob is out there repossessing cars and selling furniture.

[Disgusted]

Can't we all just get along? 

[dearth]

his boy's employer wasn't bodybuilding.com, coincidentally a big sponsor of the show

Yeah, just like that...sorry your "boy" wasn't able to beat me...get over it.

[stuntmovie]

Just catchen up here ..... In an effort to answer someone's doubts about enforcing the NPC stand against NPC athletes entering bodybuilding contests that offer cash awards or "any award of value", be advised that the NPC has banned various competitors for a period of one year for competing in such events. I know that as a "fact" and from personal experience.

I do hope that Ben has a successful event but regardless of what it is called .... it still "appears" that those who enter it could be banned from entering future NPC contests for a certain time period as determined by the NPC, although it would be interesting to see how a court of law would interpret this "amateur vs professional" definition.

But if an athlete did enter a contest that offered "awards of value", someone in or out of the NPC would have to make an official complaint to the NPC and include all the facts of that subject complaint and aligations.

I can tell you personally that the powers that be within the NPC do not make such decisions against an athlete without giving due consideration to all the facts.

Some GetBiggers have mentioned the names of various competitors who competed for monetary awards outside of the NPC and are still competing in NPC sanctioned events, but no mention is made to the fact that some or each of those contestants were "reprimanded" in some manner for a certain time period.

Before jumping all over Bob, you should realize that none of us are knowledgeable of the facts involved in each individual case; and before any official action is ever taken by the NPC national office, an official complaint must be brought before the NPC national office. In many cases, no one wishes to be the guy who makes the waves for other athletes so an official complaint is never made.

Last thought .... I've been a big Lee Priest fan for many years, yet I still cannot understand why he would want to (or even "expect to") come back into an organization he apparently despises. And based on his numerous posts and accusations against the IFBB, I tend to understand why the IFBB would want to keep him out.

It's apparent to me that most of you who have complaints against Bob, don't know Bob or have never even met Bob. You and any outsider can call a man a "lap-dog" for remaining faithful to the company/unit he works for, but most on the inside would call that same individual "loyal and faithful".

"Loyal and faithful" - They drill that into you in Bootcamp every hour of every miserable day. If they didn't, I'd be a dead soldier many years ago.

[timfogarty]

In an effort to answer someone's doubts about enforcing the NPC stand against NPC athletes entering bodybuilding contests that offer cash awards or "any award of value", be advised that the NPC has banned various competitors for a period of one year for competing in such events. I know that as a "fact" and from personal experience.

please, give us names.  We've given many examples of people who have competed in pro contests and/or received prizes who have not been banned or suspended.

[Chick]

You mean in the "Bodybuilding.com Master's World Championship"?


Beats me. 

That's a good one....BB.com wasn't even a sponsor of the show...LOL.

[Chick]

his boy's employer wasn't bodybuilding.com, coincidentally a big sponsor of the show

You're as clueles as Goatballs and Basile....BB.com wasn't a sponsor at all, fool

[Chick]

please, give us names.  We've given many examples of people who have competed in pro contests and/or received prizes who have not been banned or suspended.

I'm not at liberty to give out names...those who have been suspended for a period, or had to write letters of apology can disclose their own info If they wish...that's their call.

Bottom line is, there is a prescedent...Bill is correct.

Out of all the names you've provided, Tim...how many have gone back to competing in those other orgs, AFTER competing in the NPC?

[stuntmovie]

No, Tim, even if I could remember the names of those who were banned from competing for a one year period, I would not do so. It would be more appropriate if that information came from an official source.

But believe me, it did happen and it caused a lot of shit!

I will also inform you that a few NPC judges were banned for a one year period as a result of their actions which was more on a voluntary basis and definitely not for competing in any event that offered an award of value.

There are many things that happen in any organization that are not made public for numerous reasons. But sometimes if you follow appropriate procedures, you'll receive an appropriate answer.

Have you ever directed an inquirey of any type directly to the NPC National Office?  You might be surprised by their swift response and even faster phone call.

[Vince B]

Ok, Bob, I have been sitting back watching your performance and you clearly don't see the forest for the trees. I will have to make this simple and brief because I want you to comprehend what I am posting.

Why do you argue with people online about matters concerning the IFBB and pro athletes? Do your job and represent those pros. Don't go online and make an ass of yourself. We could care less that you are loyal and true to the guys who appointed you. Let someone else argue on behalf of the IFBB and Pro people. You should be representing athletes not taking on all comers and defending the IFBB. How on earth an athletes rep gets a vote on the pro board is one of those mysterious things the IFBB does in the back room. Add hypocrite and confederate to those other names that describe your behaviour.

You are a lapdog now and also patsy and stooge of the IFBB. For goodness sake wake up and shake your head.

[Chick]

Now that were at least reading the same book....perhaps you can answer the ONE question I asked.

Let's replace the word "Idiot's", with athletes, as you claim to have not used it...fine, I believe you.

I'd still like to know how you're different than the NPC in that after the winner gets his "reward"....what do the other athletes get?

[Disgusted]

Just catchen up here ..... In an effort to answer someone's doubts about enforcing the NPC stand against NPC athletes entering bodybuilding contests that offer cash awards or "any award of value", be advised that the NPC has banned various competitors for a period of one year for competing in such events. I know that as a "fact" and from personal experience.

I do hope that Ben has a successful event but regardless of what it is called .... it still "appears" that those who enter it could be banned from entering future NPC contests for a certain time period as determined by the NPC, although it would be interesting to see how a court of law would interpret this "amateur vs professional" definition.

But if an athlete did enter a contest that offered "awards of value", someone in or out of the NPC would have to make an official complaint to the NPC and include all the facts of that subject complaint and aligations.

I can tell you personally that the powers that be within the NPC do not make such decisions against an athlete without giving due consideration to all the facts.

Some GetBiggers have mentioned the names of various competitors who competed for monetary awards outside of the NPC and are still competing in NPC sanctioned events, but no mention is made to the fact that some or each of those contestants were "reprimanded" in some manner for a certain time period.

Before jumping all over Bob, you should realize that none of us are knowledgeable of the facts involved in each individual case; and before any official action is ever taken by the NPC national office, an official complaint must be brought before the NPC national office. In many cases, no one wishes to be the guy who makes the waves for other athletes so an official complaint is never made.

Last thought .... I've been a big Lee Priest fan for many years, yet I still cannot understand why he would want to (or even "expect to") come back into an organization he apparently despises. And based on his numerous posts and accusations against the IFBB, I tend to understand why the IFBB would want to keep him out.

It's apparent to me that most of you who have complaints against Bob, don't know Bob or have never even met Bob. You and any outsider can call a man a "lap-dog" for remaining faithful to the company/unit he works for, but most on the inside would call that same individual "loyal and faithful".

"Loyal and faithful" - They drill that into you in Bootcamp every hour of every miserable day. If they didn't, I'd be a dead soldier many years ago.

Hey bro, ok you are wrong on one thing. I personally know 2 people who are pro in other orgs. (natural) and have consistently switched back and forth for years with never a word said to them and it is absolutely known that they are pros.

It would be interesting to see how the NPC would explain in a court as to why they would eventually let a person come back and compete in the NPC after they turn pro. I guess the NPC considers someone who is a pro an amateur again as long as they do not compete for a year in other shows that hand out money.  

[Chick]

Ok, Bob, I have been sitting back watching your performance and you clearly don't see the forest for the trees. I will have to make this simply and brief because I want you to comprehend what I am posting.

Why do you argue with people online about matters concerning the IFBB and pro athletes? Do your job and represent those pros. Don't go online and make an ass of yourself. We could care less that you are loyal and true to the guys who appointed you. Let someone else argue on behalf of the IFBB and Pro people. You should be representing athletes not taking on all comers and defending the IFBB. How on earth an athletes rep gets a vote on the pro board is one of those mysterious things the IFBB does in the back room. Add hypocrite and confederate to those other names that describe your behaviour.

You are a lapdog now and also patsy and stooge of the IFBB. For goodness sake wake up and shake your head.

Still don't get it, do you Basile...?

I'm not making an ass f myself...you are. I answer with fact, you pontificate and try to wax philosophical....you get stumped at every turn, as I address every one of your questions.

I do represent the athletes...not sure what that has to do with setting the record straight, or explaining why something is the way it is....

I get rules changed, fore the betterment of ALL IFBB athletes...men and women. I get more money in their pockets, more opportunity for them to make money, fairer judging standards, and rules taken out that are NOT in their best interests...


There is nothing mysterious about having a vote, and a voice....ALL the reps have one, not just me. It's called being FAIR, which is why we have reps and why we have a say.

I seriously question your intelligence at this point....

[Vince B]

You question my intelligence all you like. I am questioning your honour, integrity and whether you are fair dinkum.

You naturally claim you are innocent of all charges. Then you putdown everyone who bags you. Too bad you don't have the skills to dismiss the serious charges and allegations leveled at you. I am not the only one calling you a stooge and patsy. Even those who defend you refer to your behaviour as appearing like a lapdog because you are loyal to the backroom boys.

Bob, you join Goodrum in the stooge department because neither of you have any shame!

[stuntmovie]

Disgusted, thanks for responding.

I personally don't know the facts behind the two pros you know, nor how well they are known within the pro ranks of the IFBB.

Maybe that org didn't offer a cash award.

Maybe they were simply overlooked.

Maybe no one knew.

Maybe no one made a complaint - official or otherwise.

Maybe the decision makers wanted to be "good guys" that day and just let it slide.

Maybe the NPC got threatened by their lawyer.

Maybe the NPC banned each for a certain time period which we don't know about.

Lot of "maybe's" there but I bet ya a dollar to a doughnut, that neither of them won that amateur event.

[Chick]

You question my intelligence all you like. I am questioning your honour, integrity and whether you are fair dinkum.

You naturally claim you are innocent of all charges. Then you putdown everyone who bags you. Too bad you don't have the skills to dismiss the serious charges and allegations leveled at you. I am not the only one calling you are stooge and patsy. Even those who defend you refer to your behaviour as appearing like a lapdog because you are loyal to the backroom boys.

Bob, you join Goodrum in the stooge department because neither of you have any shame!

I've dismissed any "charge" or allegation" ever brought...easily and swiftly....especially the one's from YOU. I question your intelligence, because you're too stupid to realize it.
The other lemmings that call me names, are just being douchbags (like yourself)...and offer just as much by way of any intelligent argument, or facts. Ever wonder why you never hear of any pro's (the only one's who opinions really matter here) complaining, or wondering where my loyalties lie? Because they know better, because they are pleased with the changes I've made (you know, the one's you choose to ignore)

By trying to "play the game" , you make yourself sound less intelligent with each post...you don't have the knowledge, expertise, or information to debate with me, Basile.

 

[Disgusted]

Disgusted, thanks for responding.

I personally don't know the facts behind the two pros you know, nor how well they are known within the pro ranks of the IFBB.

Maybe that org didn't offer a cash award.

Maybe they were simply overlooked.

Maybe no one knew.

Maybe no one made a complaint - official or otherwise.

Maybe the decision makers wanted to be "good guys" that day and just let it slide.

Maybe the NPC got threatened by their lawyer.

Maybe the NPC banned each for a certain time period which we don't know about.

Lot of "maybe's" there but I bet ya a dollar to a doughnut, that neither of them won that amateur event.

I do know for sure that the NPC knows that they are pros in a natural org and have been for years. They have never been banned for any length of time. They are not known within the pro ranks of the IFBB since they are not "pros" in the IFBB, but in another org. and still compete in the NPC. They have never had to use a lawyer since they have never been banned.

Understand that I am NOT against the NPC in any way. There are a lot of great guys involved, but I am all for fairness though. Personally I think that the NPC should just let it go. All it would take would be for one person to get a lawyer and the NPC would be an open book to the courts.

[stuntmovie]

Disgusted, well I can't answer ya "why" it's happened, but I have to tell you that in the cases I was involve with, the actual complaints came from the athletes themselves. They (two of them) were the ones who complained that the rules would not be adhered to if two individuals were allowed to compete.

As a result of that complaint, official action was taken which resulted in disbarring individuals from competing in NPC events for a one year period,

If those two athletes did not complain, no action would have been taken because no one in an official capacity would have known. This probably happens more often than is realized.

But the individuals concerned soon all learned that complaints should never be considered unless they are made in writing and signed by the individual/individuals making the complaint. That was a lesson learned the hard way.

I still gotta state that a lot of things happen which we are not privy to.

[timfogarty]

Out of all the names you've provided, Tim...how many have gone back to competing in those other orgs,
AFTER competing in the NPC?

Tyrone Wright, WNBF in 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2004, NPC in 2002, 2004 and 2005

Greg Pringle, NPC, then WNBF, then NPC, then WNBF

Dietrich Horsey, NGA, then NPC Team Universe, then NGA, then NPC Team Universe

Wil Usher, Phil Ricardo, Mike D'Angelo, Rico Elbaz, even Stan McQuay


I'm sure that there are others

[Vince B]

I question your intelligence, because you're too stupid to realize it.
The other lemmings that call me names, are just being douchbags (like yourself)...and offer just as much by way of any intelligent argument, or facts. Ever wonder why you never hear of any pro's (the only one's who opinions really matter here) complaining, or wondering where my loyalties lie? Because they know better,
 

How dare you call a former National IFBB champion a douchbag! Does any civility remain in your vulgar and crass self? Bob, step back from the internet and let Jim handle stuff that is beyond your mediocre ability.

The pros don't complain because they know that those who do never do well in contests. End of story. Those who kiss butt, like yourself, win over hapless but superior bodybuilders like Pavol. Now what don't you comprehend about how the IFBB works? I thought you were up to date and informed!

[ben 1]

Now that were at least reading the same book....perhaps you can answer the ONE question I asked.

Let's replace the word "Idiot's", with athletes, as you claim to have not used it...fine, I believe you.

I'd still like to know how you're different than the NPC in that after the winner gets his "reward"....what do the other athletes get?

Bob,you do not need to win to get the Motorcycle,just compete,you do not need to win to get your own TV Show in Los Angeles (1 Male and 1 Female Athlete) you just have to have "the look" and personality,
every Athlete is invited to the Party with free food and drinks,where we give out Golds stuff,Lana EggWhites,Vitamins .............we will treat Athletes with the most respect,exactly how they deserve it and they will go home and had the best experience of their Bodybuilding life.That is all what the Athletes can get who are not winning $1000,$1500,$2000,$10000 or a new car.
The whole Idea for the contest was doing something for the Athletes,appreciate the Athletes.We could have worked perfect together,all Athletes are in Town anyway,in shape anyway,we would have a great Bodybuilding and Figure 3 day festival.Athletes would compete in the USA,who probably would have not,more people in the attendance in booth shows because of the great 3 day festival.All Athletes would be happy! But noooooooo the NPC decides what is good for the Athletes,is only good for the Athletes,when it has the NPC stamp on it.
It is just sad to see that you do not care about the Athletes because you (the NPC) is afraid we could be some kind of rival BS.We are not an Organization and we are not planning on it,however we care a lot about the Athletes and I hope our show breaks even or close to it.(It looks like it)So that we can put on more shows with more prizes next year!!!
We can change Amateur Bodybuilding and Figure for the better in the long run and we are definitely
planning on it!!!

www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com 

[timfogarty]

No, Tim, even if I could remember the names of those who were banned from competing for a one year period, I would not do so.

then it's just idle threats.  "If you do this we will ban you, even though there are many examples of people who have done it and not been banned and no examples of people who have been banned, even though we say they have been.  So don't do it!"