B&A International Classic - not NPC approved

[ibfasport]

Anyway we (The B&A) will have our competition no matter what.I am really looking forward to it and we really believe that we can change Amateur Bodybuilding for the better.

Sorry Ben, but you are just bring in USA the European experience

there are lot of amateur contest in Europe with money prizes open to everybody and without

disqualifications for the IFBB athletes:

trophy Due Torri and Trophy Freeway in Italy
Trophy Weider in Marsiglia
Fit Form Barcellona etc.

can somebody tell me why IFBB USA rules are different from the rules of IFBB in Europe?

[onlyme]

Sorry Ben, but you are just bring in USA the European experience

there are lot of amateur contest in Europe with money prizes open to everybody and without

disqualifications for the IFBB athletes:

trophy Due Torri and Trophy Freeway in Italy
Trophy Weider in Marsiglia
Fit Form Barcellona etc.

can somebody tell me why IFBB USA rules are different from the rules of IFBB in Europe?

The rules are different because the IFBB won't pay Chic to go to Europe to help fuck up the IFBB there. 

Also, Ben be sure to hire about 20 kids at $20 each to go to the USA contest and hand out flyers to your show.  Have them stand in public areas so they can't do anything to them.  Plus they are kids so they won't get in trouble.  Go the day before too during the weigh-ins.  Go to the host hotel also.  Competitors are checking in during the whole week.  Hopefully the NPC will hire that dork Weinberger to come out there and beat up all the small kids.

[War-Horse]

The rules are different because the IFBB won't pay Chic to go to Europe to help fuck up the IFBB there. 

Also, Ben be sure to hire about 20 kids at $20 each to go to the USA contest and hand out flyers to your show.  Have them stand in public areas so they can't do anything to them.  Plus they are kids so they won't get in trouble.  Go the day before too during the weigh-ins.  Go to the host hotel also.  Competitors are checking in during the whole week.  Hopefully the NPC will hire that dork Weinberger to come out there and beat up all the small kids.

Great idea.  Its a free country.  In a public area this is allowed.   GREAT IDEA.

[stuntmovie]

"Can somebody tell me why IFBB USA rules are different from the rules of IFBB in Europe?"
Posted on: Today at 11:02:01 AM Posted by: ben 1


IBFASPORT, I can try to answer that but this may not be the entirely correct answer. It would help if you clarified the"rules" you are concerned about but let me give it a try in the hope that it answers part of your concern.

Back in the day when the the NPC and the IFBB agreed to work together, the agreement was that the IFBB would recognize the NPC at the governing and controlling body for "amateur bodybuilding" within the US as long as the NPC recognized the IFBB as the governing and controlling body  for professional bodybuilding events in the US and "professional and amateur event" throughout other parts of the world.

That is one reason why the IFBB does not promote amateur events in the US but does promote such amateur events in other parts of the world as well as pro events.

If there has been any exception to this agreement, it has been with the mutual consent of both parties.

I don't know if I have answered your question completely, but the NPC is an amateur US governing body as recognized by the IFBB who in turn is recognized by the NPC as the US governing body for professional bodybuilding throughout the world as well as the governing body for amateur events outside of the USA.

Not too complicated if you grew up with it and were a part of it since its conception and realized that both needed the other to advance and survive.

Another matter that appears to be on interest at present is the definition of "professional bodybuilder".

In my mind and the way I have  been led to believe, a professional is anyone who competes in a BB event that offers a cash award or in a contest in which an award of value is presented. Sorry but I forget the definition of "an award of value", but I seem to recall that it is anything that has a value beyond the normal value of a standard trophy. Maybe Bob can clarify that.

And .... just because someone competes in a "professional event", does not mean that the IFBB considers him/her to be a professional who is qualified to enter a professional IFBB event.

Many of you have brought up interesting comments about the professional ranks which cannot be answered precisely because it would take a court decision to offer a precise and legal answer.

And I don't think that there is any one on either side of the equation who is willing to risk the court and lawyer fees to resolve this seemingly important problem.  If it ever does go to court, the only winners will be the lawyers.

And that's one of the major problems in today's justice system.

Everyone loses except the lawyers.

And only a lawyer will refute that statement.

[Tre]

can somebody tell me why IFBB USA rules are different from the rules of IFBB in Europe?

Because they are two different organizations.

[Tre]

That is one reason why the IFBB does not promote amateur events in the US but does promote such amateur events in other parts of the world as well as pro events.

If there has been any exception to this agreement, it has been with the mutual consent of both parties.

I don't know of any exception aside from the IFBB North Americans, which is an amateur competition.

[Meltdown]

The IFBB make the Rules up as they go along for a perfect example just look at the IFBB Drug Rule.How many Pros have been tested in the last 5years NOT FUKIN ONE.Drug Rule ahhahahahahhahaha next Joke.

[stuntmovie]

Yea, Tre, and I think that is because the North America was originally conceived and promoted in Canada.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Meltdown, look at is this way..... Why shit in your own kitchen?

[Chick]

Hey Ben-

Not sure why I need to check it out, and I'm certainly not familiar with IFBB amateur...

Just to make clear...I have not badmouthed your show, or tried in any way to make it out to be anything but what it is.

I think what you're doing is admirable, and will benefit those athletes who choose to compete in your show...
That said...I do have to question your motives...you claim not to be in any competition with the NPC, yet choose to hold a show in the same city and 1 day after the NPC USA, certainly doesn't seem like it was chosen for any other reason BUT to be...

Strange, Ben...seems to me you're WRONG again.

I ask you to clarify a simple question, you refuse to answer...and somehow I'm your ememy? 

[Meltdown]

It's a SAD reflection of Pro BB when little shows like this Pay MORE cash than some IFBB Pro shows.Fuk almost as good as their Drug tests.

[onlyme]

Strange, Ben...seems to me you're WRONG again.

I ask you to clarify a simple question, you refuse to answer...and somehow I'm your ememy? 

Chic save your dignity.  Why do you post shit like this.  Just let it go.  Go help the IFBB pros.  This show is none of your business.He doesn't have to answer your questions just when you say you don't have to answer to any of the peanut gallery.  Honestly, is doing everything to defend an organization with as shitty a reputation as the IFBB worth damaging your own persona.  You should call the puppetmaster and ask them to hire a person known as the IFBB Stooley.  This way you don't have to work double-duty.

[Vince B]

Item 15 of the Professional League code of ethics says athletes, judges and officials should oppose the use of banned substances and methods.

I have seen no evidence that Bob Chick opposes these banned substances. Not opposing banned substances could be viewed as tolerating them. He states that this is a choice up to the athletes. Since when did it come down to being a choice?

[ibfasport]

Back in the day when the the NPC and the IFBB agreed to work together, the agreement was that the IFBB would recognize the NPC at the governing and controlling body for "amateur bodybuilding" within the US as long as the NPC recognized the IFBB as the governing and controlling body  for professional bodybuilding events in the US and "professional and amateur event" throughout other parts of the world.

Thank you for the answer, you are Bona Fide, but IFBB is double... Ben Weider like very much the motto "Divide et Impera"

NPC bring every year competirors to the IFBB World Championships

All the other competitors, European etc, earn money from amateur contes with money prizes

Why you accept NPC amateur athletes compete with professionals?

[Chick]

Chic save your dignity.  Why do you post shit like this.  Just let it go.  Go help the IFBB pros.  This show is none of your business.He doesn't have to answer your questions just when you say you don't have to answer to any of the peanut gallery.  Honestly, is doing everything to defend an organization with as shitty a reputation as the IFBB worth damaging your own persona.  You should call the puppetmaster and ask them to hire a person known as the IFBB Stooley.  This way you don't have to work double-duty.

And my post was none of your business...I don't remember asking for your input. There is no defending of the IFBB in my statement. or the question at hand to Ben.....Go back to licking Wayne's balls and printing T-shirts for the PDI

[onlyme]

And my post was none of your business...I don't remember asking for your input. There is no defending of the IFBB in my statement. or the question at hand to Ben.....Go back to licking Wayne's balls and printing T-shirts for the PDI

Why the personal attacks on me honey.  And please don't talk licking balls, you know where you stand on that one.  You really have to remember your role here.  It is to do what you are told by the IFBB and Manion.  Nothing more and nothing less.  You defend the organization that has ruined BB and you will be around for awhile with them.  Amazing how much you are willing to ruin your own reputation to defend a piece of shit organization like the IFBB and you DON'T get paid for it.  Dude who is your manager.  Fire them.  And please don't tell us you personally worked out that great business deal all by yourself.  Okay I gotta go play some craps.  Be back later to read your unbelievable witty remarks.  But remember this you represent the IFBB.  So your demeanor here reflects how they are seen.  Opps sorry, you already knew that.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Why the personal attacks on me honey.  And please don't talk licking balls, you know where you stand on that one.  You really have to remember your role here.  It is to do what you are told by the IFBB and Manion.  Nothing more and nothing less.  You defend the organization that has ruined BB and you will be around for awhile with them.  Amazing how much you are willing to ruin your own reputation to defend a piece of shit organization like the IFBB and you DON'T get paid for it.  Dude who is your manager.  Fire them.  And please don't tell us you personally worked out that great business deal all by yourself.  Okay I gotta go play some craps.  Be back later to read your unbelievable witty remarks.  But remember this you represent the IFBB.  So your demeanor here reflects how they are seen.  Opps sorry, you already knew that.

Pot calling the kettle black....or in this case a Dutch Oven.....

Keith you went around trashing the IFBB and telling everyone how much better the PDI is. You called everyone including myself, Chick, and etc that we were crazy and that the IFBB wouldn't suspend anyone.  You were talking about how Wayne Demillitia was going to overthrow the IFBB like he was fucking Fidel Castro.

And what happenned?

Lee Priest and Rodney St Cloud got a foot in their ass and was suspended, the PDI folded like a deck of cards, and your fat ass was at the Mr Olympia renting out a booth and promoting your franchise.

The problem is that some bodybuilders like Lee Priest go walking around like its Super Shinobi 3 but at he ends up on his knees kissing Weider's ass to gain back admission into the sport that he blew off.  They gave him every opportunity and even offered him a chance to return without penalty.
I garrantee he won't pull that shit again if he gets back in the IFBB.





As far as Ben is concerned, I didn't visit your piece of shit website or discussion board and I think that you're trying to sell some more tickets by associating me with your organization.  However you're only going to get the bottom of the barrel competitors and no real top NPC national competitors because they don't wish to risk their amateur status and most importantly because they know that somethings fishy when they have to pay 249 bucks just to enter.




IS THERE ANY REASON TO CHARGE 249 BUCKS TO COMPETITORS???

[ben 1]

Pot calling the kettle black....or in this case a Dutch Oven.....

Keith you went around trashing the IFBB and telling everyone how much better the PDI is. You called everyone including myself, Chick, and etc that we were crazy and that the IFBB wouldn't suspend anyone.  You were talking about how Wayne Demillitia was going to overthrow the IFBB like he was fucking Fidel Castro.

And what happenned?

Lee Priest and Rodney St Cloud got a foot in their ass and was suspended, the PDI folded like a deck of cards, and your fat ass was at the Mr Olympia renting out a booth and promoting your franchise.

The problem is that some bodybuilders like Lee Priest go walking around like its Super Shinobi 3 but at he ends up on his knees kissing Weider's ass to gain back admission into the sport that he blew off.  They gave him every opportunity and even offered him a chance to return without penalty.
I garrantee he won't pull that shit again if he gets back in the IFBB.





As far as Ben is concerned, I didn't visit your piece of shit website or discussion board and I think that you're trying to sell some more tickets by associating me with your organization.  However you're only going to get the bottom of the barrel competitors and no real top NPC national competitors because they don't wish to risk their amateur status and most importantly because they know that somethings fishy when they have to pay 249 bucks just to enter.




IS THERE ANY REASON TO CHARGE 249 BUCKS TO COMPETITORS???

Here you go Vince,who is the liar now???
Vince posted this on a European website,exactly like i said!!!


Vince Goodrum



Joined: 22 Mar 2008
Posts: 1

   
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:56 am    Post subject:    Reply with quote
First off, this is the real Vince Goodrum.......



Now then, I know there is a lot of people wishing to compete in this event and quite frankly I would love to be there to say hey at Serge Nubret however the IFBB has made it clear about its athletes and I would highly suggest that you abide by what they have stated.

Please take my advice seriously because this is not an NPC or IFBB sanctioned event. They have made it clear that they do not wish to have any of their athletes in the event.


I'm not saying that you're going to be blackballed but I'm quite sure that this show will be carefully watched.

[ben 1]

.. one more thing Vince as a Bodybuilder you are a joke,I looked better with 17teen after 6 month of training than you ever will be!

[ben 1]

Strange, Ben...seems to me you're WRONG again.

I ask you to clarify a simple question, you refuse to answer...and somehow I'm your ememy? 

Bob even I do not have to answer,I always answered your questions

www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com

[240 is Back]

Go back to licking Wayne's balls

Wayne's battling prostate cancer... he's off limits here.

[ben 1]

And my post was none of your business...I don't remember asking for your input. There is no defending of the IFBB in my statement. or the question at hand to Ben.....Go back to licking Wayne's balls and printing T-shirts for the PDI

why would you talk about someone or bring up his name in a bad way,if the person has cancer and is fighting for his life?
Bob that statement was bad!!!

[Chick]

Wayne's battling prostate cancer... he's off limits here.

The point was to Keith, not to Wayne....speaking of which, is not on his deathbed, but still working and trying to get sponsorship dollars together for one of his ventures...

[Chick]

Bob even I do not have to answer,I always answered your questions

www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com

You answered nothing, Ben...you've dodged and darted all over the place, but I still want to know what the difference is between the athletes paying $200 and going home with nothing in the NPC...and the athletes paying $200+ in your show and going home with nothing?

Lets see if you can stay on point long enough to answer it.....this time.

[timfogarty]

but I still want to know what the difference is between the athletes paying $200 and going home with nothing in the NPC...and the athletes paying $200+ in your show and going home with nothing?

think of it as a raffle.  the odds of winning the big prize is low, but it's for a good cause.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Here you go Vince,who is the liar now???
Vince posted this on a European website,exactly like i said!!!


Vince Goodrum



Joined: 22 Mar 2008
Posts: 1

   
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:56 am    Post subject:    Reply with quote
First off, this is the real Vince Goodrum.......



Now then, I know there is a lot of people wishing to compete in this event and quite frankly I would love to be there to say hey at Serge Nubret however the IFBB has made it clear about its athletes and I would highly suggest that you abide by what they have stated.

Please take my advice seriously because this is not an NPC or IFBB sanctioned event. They have made it clear that they do not wish to have any of their athletes in the event.


I'm not saying that you're going to be blackballed but I'm quite sure that this show will be carefully watched.

Anyone can open up an account and use my name......  

I said I didn't write it and I'm not going to repeat myself.  Stop using my name to promote your show