Author Topic: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved (Read 63167 times)

Meltdown · « **Reply #550 on:** April 14, 2008, 03:09:59 PM »

Chick will have enough problems when someone lets the media know just how much Drug Abuse goes on in Pro BB he will soon forget about other shows and who is doing what.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Chick · « **Reply #551 on:** April 14, 2008, 03:36:41 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on April 14, 2008, 11:17:32 AM

yes, of all the dozens or hundreds of people disciplined by the NPC, not one has decided to complain about it on the internet. The athletes hold the NPC in that much respect.

and the NPC is so respectful of athlete's privacies that they're not even willing to correct contest results in fear of tipping off the public on who was disqualified.

But what I don't understand is why Chick is even talking about this. He is the official rep for IFBB pro athletes. He has no official position with the amateur NPC. Does he?

Nope...sure don't. Just like making sure the record is straight. Anyone can complain if they wish...all the power to them. As I stated, It's not my place to divulge info relevant to the subject...all I can say is that there is no question, dicipline has been imposed in the past.

timfogarty · « **Reply #552 on:** April 14, 2008, 03:39:27 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 14, 2008, 03:36:41 PM

all I can say is that there is no question, dicipline has been imposed in the past.

how about in the last seven years?

Chick · « **Reply #553 on:** April 14, 2008, 03:46:30 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on April 14, 2008, 03:39:27 PM

how about in the last seven years?

How about it? I would assume so...

Not quite sure what your platform is, here...

Meltdown · « **Reply #554 on:** April 14, 2008, 03:52:06 PM »

Chick if an IFBB Pro gives his Pro card back and then competes NABBA or as an amateur can they post in for their Pro card renewal and get it???.

Chick · « **Reply #555 on:** April 14, 2008, 03:57:14 PM »

Quote from: Meltdown on April 14, 2008, 03:52:06 PM

Chick if an IFBB Pro gives his Pro card back and then competes NABBA or as an amateur can they post in for their Pro card renewal and get it???.

They could try....no guarantee they would get back in.

My guess would be no, in the current state of the pro scene...

dearth · « **Reply #556 on:** April 14, 2008, 03:58:17 PM »

his platform is exposing you as a liar/BS artist/manion kiss ass.

hope this helps.

Quote from: Chick on April 14, 2008, 03:46:30 PM

How about it? I would assume so...

Not quite sure what your platform is, here...

timfogarty · « **Reply #557 on:** April 14, 2008, 04:06:10 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 14, 2008, 03:46:30 PM

How about it? I would assume so...

you assume so, which means that you don't know. but you said

Quote

all I can say is that there is no question, dicipline has been imposed in the past.

yes, I agree, in the early 1980s.

yet we've given lots of examples of people this decade competing in pro contests or receiving cash or other prizes without repercussion.

This thread has been going on for 3.5 weeks now. B&A should write the NPC to thank them for all the publicity.

Chick · « **Reply #558 on:** April 14, 2008, 04:08:32 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on April 14, 2008, 04:06:10 PM

you assume so, which means that you don't know. but you said

yes, I agree, in the early 1980s.

yet we've given lots of examples of people this decade competing in pro contests or receiving cash or other prizes without repercussion.

This thread has been going on for 3.5 weeks now. B&A should write the NPC to thank them for all the publicity.

You ASSUME it was without reprocussion.....there is a reaon many of the athletes either never went back to the NPC, or never went to compete for another org...

timfogarty · « **Reply #559 on:** April 14, 2008, 04:17:44 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 14, 2008, 04:08:32 PM

You ASSUME it was without reprocussion.....there is a reaon many of the athletes either never went back to the NPC, or never went to compete for another org...

unless you can name names, you're just BSing. I've given many names of guys who have and continue to go back and forth. For example Will Usher, Phil Ricardo, Rico Elbaz, Jason Powell, Dietrich Horsey, Tyrone Wright

JohnnyVegas · « **Reply #560 on:** April 14, 2008, 04:26:42 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on April 14, 2008, 04:17:44 PM

unless you can name names, you're just BSing. I've given many names of guys who have and continue to go back and forth. For example Will Usher, Phil Ricardo, Rico Elbaz, Jason Powell, Dietrich Horsey, Tyrone Wright

Bullshitting is Chick's middle name.

Chick · « **Reply #561 on:** April 14, 2008, 04:53:27 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on April 14, 2008, 04:17:44 PM

unless you can name names, you're just BSing. I've given many names of guys who have and continue to go back and forth. For example Will Usher, Phil Ricardo, Rico Elbaz, Jason Powell, Dietrich Horsey, Tyrone Wright

All of which I've never heard of....the NPC doesn't have a task squad to follow amateurs around. Out of those names yu mentioned, how many have broken the top 10 at the National level in the NPC?

timfogarty · « **Reply #562 on:** April 14, 2008, 04:55:42 PM »

as a public service, I wrote a script to search the musclememory database. It lists any male who has entered an NPC contest and also a contest with Pro in the title or who was in the Professional class, for the years 2000 to the present.

http://musclememory.com/proAm.php

standard disclaimer: as with all of the musclememory database, I have no way of knowing if a name in multiple contests is really the same person or not.

Chick · « **Reply #563 on:** April 14, 2008, 04:58:08 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on April 14, 2008, 04:55:42 PM

as a public service, I wrote a script to search the musclememory database. It lists any male who has entered an NPC contest and also a contest with Pro in the title or who was in the Professional class, for the years 2000 to the present.

http://musclememory.com/proAm.php

standard disclaimer: as with all of the musclememory database, I have no way of knowing if a name in multiple contests is really the same person or not.

Great....and a guy like Desmond Miller, who started out in another org and NEVER went back only illustrates my point.

Skewed at best....

timfogarty · « **Reply #564 on:** April 14, 2008, 04:58:37 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 14, 2008, 04:53:27 PM

All of which I've never heard of....the NPC doesn't have a task squad to follow amateurs around. Out of those names yu mentioned, how many have broken the top 10 at the National level in the NPC?

oh, so now only the people who place 10 or above on July 26 need to worry about repercussions if they enter the B&A contest the next day.

that will really go over well in any lawsuit. You either apply rules evenly, or you get your ass handed to you in court.

Meltdown · « **Reply #565 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:04:08 PM »

Forget about IFBB Rules they don't enforce their own Drug Rule as if they care for RULES.FFS.

timfogarty · « **Reply #566 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:06:01 PM »

Quote from: Meltdown on April 14, 2008, 05:04:08 PM

Forget about IFBB Rules they don't enforce their own Drug Rule as if they care for RULES.FFS.

yes, we get it. but in this case we're talking about the NPC

Meltdown · « **Reply #567 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:10:51 PM »

NPC is just the little brother of IFBB so the same rule applies NO Fukin Rules.Only when it suits them.

timfogarty · « **Reply #568 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:13:40 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 14, 2008, 04:58:08 PM

Great....and a guy like Desmond Miller, who started out in another org and NEVER went back only illustrates my point.

your point is suppose to be that there are repercussions for NPC members who enter "pro" contests. we have shown many examples where there are not. that someone switches only once from pro to amateur or amateur to pro doesn't invalidate our point. we have shown many examples of people going back and forth over many years and even within the same year.

ibfasport · « **Reply #569 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:28:05 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on April 14, 2008, 04:58:37 PM

oh, so now only the people who place 10 or above on July 26 need to worry about repercussions if they enter the B&A contest the next day.

I will come from Italy to support Ben contest, athletes that are already in Las Vegas cannot compete and win 10.000$, this is sick

dearth · « **Reply #570 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:37:34 PM »

HA HA,

chick getting called on his BS, now reverting to questioning the publicity of the individuals mentioned.

funny how that is now a factor in your weak argument.

Quote from: Chick on April 14, 2008, 04:53:27 PM

All of which I've never heard of....the NPC doesn't have a task squad to follow amateurs around. Out of those names yu mentioned, how many have broken the top 10 at the National level in the NPC?

dearth · « **Reply #571 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:41:01 PM »

yes your point is skewed at best.

now why don't you admit that your presence on this thread is
to discourage potential NPC USA competitors from entering the B&A classic?

Quote from: Chick on April 14, 2008, 04:58:08 PM

Great....and a guy like Desmond Miller, who started out in another org and NEVER went back only illustrates my point.

Skewed at best....

onlyme · « **Reply #572 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:51:08 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 14, 2008, 04:53:27 PM

All of which I've never heard of....the NPC doesn't have a task squad to follow amateurs around. Out of those names yu mentioned, how many have broken the top 10 at the National level in the NPC?

So are you saying the NPC could care less about any BB not in the top ten. Then they should only charge those 10 a fee to enter contests. Or does this mean anyone who competes in another organization WILL NEVER be in the top ten. I think it is both

onlyme · « **Reply #573 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:53:37 PM »

Quote from: Meltdown on April 14, 2008, 05:10:51 PM

NPC is just the little brother of IFBB so the same rule applies NO Fukin Rules.Only when it suits them.

Well of course this is true. Just when was the last time a person who wasn't in the NPC first won a major pro title (Olympia, Arnold) This way the IFBB can control everything.

onlyme · « **Reply #574 on:** April 14, 2008, 05:54:37 PM »

Quote from: dearth on April 14, 2008, 05:41:01 PM

yes your point is skewed at best.

now why don't you admit that your presence on this thread is
to discourage potential NPC USA competitors from entering the B&A classic?

That will no way ever happen. Check out his double talk answer when he comes back

Author Topic: B&A International Classic - not NPC approved (Read 63167 times)

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