B&A International Classic - not NPC approved

[Chick]

yes your point is skewed at best.

now why don't you admit that your presence on this thread is
to discourage potential NPC USA competitors from entering the B&A classic?

Because nowhere have I stated such....I could honestly give a rats ass who enters Bens show....come one , come all....everybody enter...compete, compete, compete!!!

My ONLY point is to make sure any athletes considering entering, know what they're getting into, any any reprocussions that might occur as a result of..

[JohnnyVegas]

Because nowhere have I stated such....I could honestly give a rats ass who enters Bens show....come one , come all....everybody enter...compete, compete, compete!!!

My ONLY point is to make sure any athletes considering entering, know what they're getting into, any any reprocussions that might occur as a result of..

And Mr. Ass Kisser strikes again.

It is an amatuer show-the NPC can't do jack shit Mr Ass Kisser.

And if it was a Pro show your IFBB couldn't do jack shit either.

This is America you fool, not Russia, China or Iran, people can work/compete anywhere they want to.

[Vince B]

Because nowhere have I stated such....I could honestly give a rats ass who enters Bens show....come one , come all....everybody enter...compete, compete, compete!!!

My ONLY point is to make sure any athletes considering entering, know what they're getting into, any any reprocussions that might occur as a result of..

Yeah, Bob, I guess 'reprocussions' pretty well states what the IFBB-NPC reality is. The repercussions will be nasty, too, I suppose?

I think Onlyme is on the money when he states that those who compete elsewhere seldom place in the top 10. With the exception of 8th place which is reserved for top recalcitrant competitors to teach them a lesson.

[dearth]

So how does "warning" NPC competitors to not compete in Bens show = not giving a rats ass who enters Bens show?

were you told by someone to log on and issue this "warning" of yours?

Because nowhere have I stated such....I could honestly give a rats ass who enters Bens show....come one , come all....everybody enter...compete, compete, compete!!!

My ONLY point is to make sure any athletes considering entering, know what they're getting into, any any reprocussions that might occur as a result of..

[onlyme]

Because nowhere have I stated such....I could honestly give a rats ass who enters Bens show....come one , come all....everybody enter...compete, compete, compete!!!

My ONLY point is to make sure any athletes considering entering, know what they're getting into, any any reprocussions that might occur as a result of..

But Chic what business is it of yours.  You are NOT the NPC rep are you.  I mean if you want to get involved with every NPC or IFBB issue then do it right.  Why are you speaking on behalf of the NPC, its officials and its members.  Did you get a recent appointment to this position.  Not sure why it concerns you.  Try getting involved with the real issues regarding BB.  Instead of going along with the IFBB and NPC and continuing to do what it takes to keep control of BB do something right for a change. 

[Chick]

And Mr. Ass Kisser strikes again.

It is an amatuer show-the NPC can't do jack shit Mr Ass Kisser.

And if it was a Pro show your IFBB couldn't do jack shit either.

This is America you fool, not Russia, China or Iran, people can work/compete anywhere they want to.

LOL.....what a tool.

[Chick]

But Chic what business is it of yours.  You are NOT the NPC rep are you.  I mean if you want to get involved with every NPC or IFBB issue then do it right.  Why are you speaking on behalf of the NPC, its officials and its members.  Did you get a recent appointment to this position.  Not sure why it concerns you.  Try getting involved with the real issues regarding BB.  Instead of going along with the IFBB and NPC and continuing to do what it takes to keep control of BB do something right for a change. 

Other than you..who said I was speaking on anyone's behalf but my own?

Stay out of it, Keith...it's not a PDI matter

[Disgusted]

  Can't  we all just be friends ?

[Tre]

The NPC USAs are a huge event.

People are going to be talking about 2 things after that weekend in Vegas: the USAs and Muscle Mansion 2008. 

Hope this helps.

[240 is Back]

This thread is gold!

The NPC USAs are a huge event.
People are going to be talking about 2 things after that weekend in Vegas: the USAs and Muscle Mansion 2008. 
Hope this helps.

Probably... but... if some team of super freaky europeans shows up that sunday (looking as good as many pros), and they win a dump truck full of $ and some free cars, there will be a lot of love for that show on the boards, come monday.   It's impossible not too.  Just too sexy a topic.

I think this debate is very healthy for the sustainability of the sport. 

[onlyme]

Other than you..who said I was speaking on anyone's behalf but my own?

Stay out of it, Keith...it's not a PDI matter

You are on here telling everyone how if an NPC competitor enters Ben's show they could suffer ramifications.  YOU SAID THAT.  Why do you take it on as your own personal vendetta against Ben to come on this board and probably others to say that.  Oh it is not your own personal vendetta then it must be the NPC's.  Oh it isn't. Then who's is it.  Come on Chic, you come on here and act like a cop for the IFBB and NPC and when you are called on something you back peddle and double-talk.  The worst thing about it is that you do all this for free. 

[Chick]

You are on here telling everyone how if an NPC competitor enters Ben's show they could suffer ramifications.  YOU SAID THAT.  Why do you take it on as your own personal vendetta against Ben to come on this board and probably others to say that.  Oh it is not your own personal vendetta then it must be the NPC's.  Oh it isn't. Then who's is it.  Come on Chic, you come on here and act like a cop for the IFBB and NPC and when you are called on something you back peddle and double-talk.  The worst thing about it is that you do all this for free. 

You're right...I did say that. And why not? It's the truth....There's no back peddling or double talk. There was ans is mis-information out there that could possibly hurt a NPC athlete...why not get the appropriote info out there? Let the athletes make a choice based on the truth, not opinion of the promoter with an agenda...

You did nothing but badmouth the IFBB, NPC...for free...and you have nothing to do with nothing.

[Vince B]

Keith is demonstrating a clear and fair mind in this thread. In Getbig language he is owning Bob Chick.

I doubt Bob can separate what he stands for from what the IFBB position is. When you realize that the IFBB is particular people you then see that self-interest is behind everything.

[onlyme]

You're right...I did say that. And why not? It's the truth....There's no back peddling or double talk. There was ans is mis-information out there that could possibly hurt a NPC athlete...why not get the appropriote info out there? Let the athletes make a choice based on the truth, not opinion of the promoter with an agenda...

You did nothing but badmouth the IFBB, NPC...for free...and you have nothing to do with nothing.

See, I know how to budget, I didn't have pay anything to get my point across.  And I will take that as a compliment saying I have nothing to do with the IFBB or NPC.  By the way, that is a very good thing thank you.  No matter what, I at least have enough integrity to not have anything to do with those organizations. 

[timfogarty]

There was ans is mis-information out there that could possibly hurt a NPC athlete...why not get the appropriote info out there?

so why doesn't the NPC make an official statement, perhaps on their own website?   because that could be used against them in a lawsuit.  they can't actually ban someone without running the risk of it ending up in court.  but they can use you and Melvin to try to intimidate athletes.

Let the athletes make a choice based on the truth, not opinion of the promoter with an agenda...

that applies equally to Jon Lindsey and Co

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

so why doesn't the NPC make an official statement, perhaps on their own website?   because that could be used against them in a lawsuit.  they can't actually ban someone without running the risk of it ending up in court.  but they can use you and Melvin to try to intimidate athletes.

that applies equally to Jon Lindsey and Co

I report the information when it comes to me.  People can make their own decision from there.  An NPC competitor has every right to know that if he competes at the B&A that he could seriously risk his status as an amateur athletes.

I gave the same warning about the PDI and some pros listened while others didn't and now they are being brutally punished for their actions.  Vinny Galanti may now never turn pro, Lee Priest is on his knees begging to get back in.  In the end, a lot of people got the shaft and now they want to get back on the elevator


Its not intimidation, its factual reporting and it saved lots of people from the grief and embarrassment. 

Imagine a promising top NPC competitor who could turn pro throw it all away by entering an unsanctioned show.

I think a lot of my fellow NPC athletes would agree that an IFBB pro card is worth a lot more than a chance to win a fucking motorcycle.

[JohnnyVegas]

You're right...I did say that. And why not? It's the truth....There's no back peddling or double talk. There was ans is mis-information out there that could possibly hurt a NPC athlete...why not get the appropriote info out there? Let the athletes make a choice based on the truth, not opinion of the promoter with an agenda...

You did nothing but badmouth the IFBB, NPC...for free...and you have nothing to do with nothing.

And how the fuck would you know that>>> Are you some sort of magician or fortune teller that knows everything and can see the future???

Hey, I have an idea for you Chick, STFU for once and don't play Mr. Ass Kisser-how does that sound?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Almost forgot to answer Ben's question.  The reason I posted this originally was because you were falsely informing NPC competitors that their amatuer statuses would not be affected on your promotional website.  After I checked with an official, she confirmed everything with me.


The following information is from YOUR WEBSITE:


Does this Show effect my Amateur Status?

No, of course not. We are Not an Organization. We are a Production Company. We are not affiliated with any Organization!

Even if we had a Pro card to give out, (which of course we don't) or even if we would give out cash money in Figure and Body Building, (which we are not doing - it is a gift card or a car) in none of the Organizations would that make you a  Pro. Pros get paid money - Amateurs get Valuable Prizes. This is what protects your Amateur Status.

You also have to earn your Pro Status in the Organization you want your Pro Card in.

We know a lot of Pros would actually get money at their Pro contests in their federations and still compete in other federations as an Amateur. However, we are only giving out cash money for Bikini Divas and Arm Wrestling, because as far as we know, there is no such thing as an Amateur or Pro Bikini Diva.

The link is right here http://www.internationalclassicslasvegas.com/HTML/Important_Info_News.htm


By putting this information up here, you could possibly fuck up a lot of NPC competitors futures.   

[dearth]

Chick,

why can't you address this double talk flip flopping of yours?

So how does "warning" NPC competitors to not compete in Bens show = not giving a rats ass who enters Bens show?

were you told by someone to log on and issue this "warning" of yours?

[Chick]

Chick,

why can't you address this double talk flip flopping of yours?

Easy one....

Keeping people informed has nothing to do with who CHOOSES to partake in the event. At the end of the day, it won't affect me one bit if 2 NPC athletes decide to compete or 200...

But the athletes should know the facts and make their own, educated decision before making up their mind.....

Not sure where anyone see's "double talk"....

[dearth]

dumbass,

of course an NPC official will discourage you from competing elsewhere.
They use the same scare tactic BS that chick is trying to spew here.

you are as guillible as you are out of shape.

Almost forgot to answer Ben's question.  The reason I posted this originally was because you were falsely informing NPC competitors that their amatuer statuses would not be affected on your promotional website.  After I checked with an official, she confirmed everything with me.


The following information is from YOUR WEBSITE:


Does this Show effect my Amateur Status?

No, of course not. We are Not an Organization. We are a Production Company. We are not affiliated with any Organization!

Even if we had a Pro card to give out, (which of course we don't) or even if we would give out cash money in Figure and Body Building, (which we are not doing - it is a gift card or a car) in none of the Organizations would that make you a  Pro. Pros get paid money - Amateurs get Valuable Prizes. This is what protects your Amateur Status.

You also have to earn your Pro Status in the Organization you want your Pro Card in.

We know a lot of Pros would actually get money at their Pro contests in their federations and still compete in other federations as an Amateur. However, we are only giving out cash money for Bikini Divas and Arm Wrestling, because as far as we know, there is no such thing as an Amateur or Pro Bikini Diva.

The link is right here http://www.internationalclassicslasvegas.com/HTML/Important_Info_News.htm


By putting this information up here, you could possibly fuck up a lot of NPC competitors futures.   

[dearth]

Keeping people informed of this rule/wish has little to do with your so-called benevolence, and more to do with
falling in line with Manions desires. Being a loyal follower of Manion, this is understandable, yet pathetic.

Numerous examples have been mentioned to which this "rule" of yours doesn't apply.
to which you had nothing.

then you invented some sort of "but they didn't place in the top ten in the Nationals" criteria
followed by a  "there isn't a task force to enforce this" story to avoid looking like a complete idiot.

getting owned on getbig for the sake of gaining points with Manion - "priceless"

Easy one....

Keeping people informed has nothing to do with who CHOOSES to partake in the event. At the end of the day, it won't affect me one bit if 2 NPC athletes decide to compete or 200...

But the athletes should know the facts and make their own, educated decision before making up their mind.....

Not sure where anyone see's "double talk"....

[Chick]

Keeping people informed of this rule/wish has little to do with your so-called benevolence, and more to do with
falling in line with Manions desires. Being a loyal follower of Manion, this is understandable, yet pathetic.

Numerous examples have been mentioned to which this "rule" of yours doesn't apply.
to which you had nothing.

then you invented some sort of "but they didn't place in the top ten in the Nationals" criteria
followed by a  "there isn't a task force to enforce this" story to avoid looking like a complete idiot.

getting owned on getbig for the sake of gaining points with Manion - "priceless"

Getting "owned" by who? A moron like yourself?LOLOLOLOLOL............. .............

I didn't have to "invent" anything, Genius....Tim provided a list of people I've never heard of (and I've been around the block for some time)...never placing in the top 10-15 of any National show....only provides an answer as to how they slip through the cracks...who would know if Joe Blow placed 5th in some Natural show in East Jesus?

You're a joke...

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

dumbass,

of course an NPC official will discourage you from competing elsewhere.
They use the same scare tactic BS that chick is trying to spew here.

you are as guillible as you are out of shape.

Its not a scare tactics, its part the NPC rules.  If you compete for money or prizes then you are no longer considered an amatuer athlete....period. 

Of course, they are not going to keep up with who competed where but the NPC made the announcement about THIS SHOW which means don't compete unless you wish to withdraw your NPC status.


One more thing to Tim and everyone else, I don't work for the NPC or IFBB nor do I work for Chick or BB.com.  I've disagreed with Chick on a few things but usually he's dead on the money when it comes to things like this and is doing a great service to the NPC and IFBB competitors. 

The fact that he's one of the only pros who even discusses things with the peanut gallery is something to respect.

[onlyme]

Chic just to let you know how really dumb you are starting to become.  Goodrum is supporting you.  That should tell you right there you are on the wrong side of the fence.  You are sounding as moronic as he does.  Do you see where your life is heading.  Do you honestly want to be known and remembered as the "white Goodrum"  come on man have some dignity.  You are lowering yourself to the level of "Goodrum"  You might as well go out and start beating dogs and cats in the neighborhood and even worse start selling Magic Sticks