How does the presidency affect you personally?

[drkaje]

I know it reads like a stupid question but... really. Most people's lives won't change one bit whoever is elected. Some friend of mine was saying how Bill Clinton suggested candidates talk about the issues. My argument is if Abortion and the war aren't inclded there really aren't many issues the candidates can disagree on.

For the vast majority of Americans Jesus Christ being president wouldn't change their lives one bit. I'd really like to know exactly how the eventual choice between two evils will affect people's lives.

I realize, on its face, the question seems stupid. In the same vein: is it really a stupid question or will people say it's stupid because they don't have an articulate answer? None of them represent my interests and nothing would change (for me) regardless of who was elected.

[G o a t b o y]

It's actually Congress who makes most of the decisions that can affect you, and the bulk of those are economic.  But having a president of the opposite party as congress is always the best situation, as gridlock ensures government can fuck less shit up.  Things were just fine when we had Bill Clinton in the White House with a Republican Congress.

With the Democrats in control of Congress, the last thing we need is a Democrat in the White House.

[Dos Equis]

I know it reads like a stupid question but... really. Most people's lives won't change one bit whoever is elected. Some friend of mine was saying how Bill Clinton suggested candidates talk about the issues. My argument is if Abortion and the war aren't inclded there really aren't many issues the candidates can disagree on.

For the vast majority of Americans Jesus Christ being president wouldn't change their lives one bit. I'd really like to know exactly how the eventual choice between two evils will affect people's lives.

I realize, on its face, the question seems stupid. In the same vein: is it really a stupid question or will people say it's stupid because they don't have an articulate answer? None of them represent my interests and nothing would change (for me) regardless of who was elected.

Not a stupid question at all.  Mayors, city councils, governors, and state legislatures have a far greater impact on our day-to-day lives than the president.  That's partly why I think all this "change" talk is misleading.   

[240 is Back]

Not a stupid question at all.  Mayors, city councils, governors, and state legislatures have a far greater impact on our day-to-day lives than the president.  That's partly why I think all this "change" talk is misleading.   

that is, assuming no major changes.

You know, the dollar breaks, social security isn't there one day, etc.

Your local mayor doesn't have the power to borrow 5 trillion dollars of your retirement money in 7 years, using your roads as collateral.  Your President did

[Dos Equis]

The president cannot do anything substantive regarding the bottom line of the average American without Congress.  So jake's question (and the answer) are pretty much spot on.  In fact, if we wind up with President Obama I doubt we see any significant changes that actually affect most Americans, including any substantive change in the war.  His contention that he will bring home 1 to 2 brigades a month is a pipe dream. 

[240 is Back]

The president cannot do anything substantive regarding the bottom line of the average American without Congress.  So jake's question (and the answer) are pretty much spot on.  In fact, if we wind up with President Obama I doubt we see any significant changes that actually affect most Americans, including any substantive change in the war.  His contention that he will bring home 1 to 2 brigades a month is a pipe dream. 

When a president has a rubber stamp congress, and Bush did from 2001 til 2007, then yes, he easily borrow $5 Tril and use our streets as collateral.

Nice to see you disagreed with this but lacked any substantive argument, so you tried to redirect the conversation to "obama sucks and he is wrong about..."

5th post of the thread and your point was proven wrong so you try to create a completely unrelated one.
Classic BB

[calmus]

His contention that he will bring home 1 to 2 brigades a month is a pipe dream. 

Another internet guru.

[240 is Back]

Another internet guru.

Beach Bum knows more about troop redeployments than a sitting US Senator.

He's also read and completely dismissed Obama's plan,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_De-Escalation_Act_of_2007

We're in the presence of greatness!

[Dos Equis]

Another internet guru.

Do you live with your parents? 

[240 is Back]

Do you live with your parents? 

Hey, BB, you solved that whole iraqi deployment thing when no senator could.

Can you solve the national debt next?  Shouldn't take you more than 12 minutes, given the speed at which you figured it all out with that iraqi mess!

[240 is Back]

Do you live with your parents? 

monster 'attack the messenger, not the message'.

he pwned the shit out of your shitty argument, so you insulted him.

calmus 1, BeachBum 0.

[Dos Equis]

Hey, BB, you solved that whole iraqi deployment thing when no senator could.

Can you solve the national debt next?  Shouldn't take you more than 12 minutes, given the speed at which you figured it all out with that iraqi mess!

Actually I'm waiting for you to solve the moon landing conspiracy.  Can break that down for me?  I find that particularl government conspiracy quite intriguing.  

[240 is Back]

Actually I'm waiting for you to solve the moon landing conspiracy.  Can break that down for me?  I find that particularl government conspiracy quite intriguing.  

LOL... you just did it again.  You attacked the messenger, not the message.

I pwned your argument, so instead of debating it, you insulted me with something completely unrelated to the argument.

240 is back, 1.
beach Bum, 0.

You're getting proper fuct in this debate.  how embarassing for a moderator who doesn't seem to know how to debate without insults and red herrings.   

[Dos Equis]

LOL... you just did it again.  You attacked the messenger, not the message.

I pwned your argument, so instead of debating it, you insulted me with something completely unrelated to the argument.

240 is back, 1.
beach Bum, 0.

You're getting proper fuct in this debate.  how embarassing for a moderator who doesn't seem to know how to debate without insults and red herrings.   

   So does this mean you won't detail the intricacies of the government's monumental moon hoax? 

[240 is Back]

  So does this mean you won't detail the intricacies of the government's monumental moon hoax? 

[calmus]

Do you live with your parents? 

Even if I did live with my parents, it wouldn't change the fact that you're a pompous (and devious) ass given to making unsupportable statements and then playing semantic games for three pages.

Hope this helps. 

[Dos Equis]

Even if I did live with my parents, it wouldn't change the fact that you're a pompous (and devious) ass given to making unsupportable statements and then playing semantic games for three pages.

Hope this helps. 

lol.  I'll take that as a "yes."   

[Bindare_Dundat]

lol.  I'll take that as a "yes."   

lol

[Hugo Chavez]

You all might be able to say this about some presidents, but ain't no way in hell that shit is going to fly with Bush.  A lot of people have been effected by this presidency.

[drkaje]

So let me get this straight.... People argue all day here about the benefits or suckiness of candidates but no one can say how their lives will be changed by the election? That's sad.

[ToxicAvenger]

personally it'll irk me to no end if that c u  nt hillary wins...i cant quite put my finger on why i dislike her so much...i just know that i do...

[calmus]

lol.  I'll take that as a "yes."   

What's so funny about people living with their parents?

I wish I lived with mine.  They're nice people, have a great full-time cook/housekeeper, and their new house is on a beach.

If I lived in the same city, you could bet I'd find a way to move back in at least 5 days of the week. 

[drkaje]

One of you should at least have a legit reason.

[Decker]

So let me get this straight.... People argue all day here about the benefits or suckiness of candidates but no one can say how their lives will be changed by the election? That's sad.

Here're two simple things showing how the president's leadership has changed my life personally:

*I have to see the report of the deaths of fellow wisconsinites on almost a weekly basis b/c of Bush's illegal Iraq war--that's a horrible feeling.

*My house is now worth less b/c the Bush administration hamstrung state oversight of predatory mortgage lenders

There are many more things this pinhead has done to undermine the american way of life--doubling the national debt, torture, unconstitutional spying, total surrender of national energy policy to Enron and the boys, he's forgotten Bin Laden, ....in short, as president, he's created more problems than he's solved.

In fact, I would like to see a thread devoted to the successes of the Bush Administration.  And not one of those bullshit lists where "Bush cut taxes..." is listed as a success. 

[Bindare_Dundat]

What's so funny about people living with their parents?

I wish I lived with mine.  They're nice people, have a great full-time cook/housekeeper, and their new house is on a beach.

If I lived in the same city, you could bet I'd find a way to move back in at least 5 days of the week. 

oh boy, no wonder you're voting for Obama