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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #175 on: April 08, 2008, 07:17:27 AM »
Bluto, I'm calling for a truce.

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #176 on: April 08, 2008, 07:23:03 AM »
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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #177 on: April 08, 2008, 07:25:17 AM »
wrong. this is a thread about who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates? see subject line on every page.

which would be more appropriately titled, "Who Trained Harder - Dorian Yates or Dorian Yates?"

yes there is. that was the whole point of his training to go balls out. it wasnt with ronnie.

The whole point of Yates' training was to improve the size and density of his muscles. That particular style of training was the most effective, which is why he kept using it. He's a BODYBUILDER; what part of that escapes your pscyhe? Going "balls out" doesn't mean jack, if the end result isn't more mass and proportion to his body.

         
dont matter. he did it more often than not, which cant be said about ronnie.


Based on what? Their training styles are quite different. And as has been mentioned, Ronnie is significantly stronger; therefore, there is no need for him to go beyond failure, as the sheer volume and poundages he uses compensates for that.

But, that ain't the issue here, because you are looking for people to join your Yates praise parade, despite the fact that multiple people have stated that they feel Ronnie trained "harder".

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #178 on: April 08, 2008, 07:30:39 AM »
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The whole point of Yates' training was to improve the size and density of his muscles. That particular style of training was the most effective, which is why he kept using it. He's a BODYBUILDER; what part of that escapes your pscyhe? Going "balls out" doesn't mean jack, if the end result isn't more mass and proportion to his body.

So? the question was if he trained harder than ronnie coleman.

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Based on what? Their training styles are quite different. And as has been mentioned, Ronnie is significantly stronger; therefore, there is no need for him to go beyond failure, as the sheer volume and poundages he uses compensates for that.

In other words. Dorian trained harder.

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But, that ain't the issue here, because you are looking for people to join your Yates praise parade, despite the fact that multiple people have stated that they feel Ronnie trained "harder".

Not at all. i even started this thread clearly stating that i wasnt sure myself. but after the debate went on, i got convinced that dorian trained the hardest and i have successfully defended that opinion ever since.

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #179 on: April 08, 2008, 08:29:32 AM »
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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #180 on: April 08, 2008, 08:48:03 AM »
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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #181 on: April 08, 2008, 10:21:53 AM »
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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #182 on: April 08, 2008, 10:26:45 AM »
So? the question was if he trained harder than ronnie coleman.

What's the point of this question, other than your obvious take that Dorian is a better bodybuilder than Ronnie, because he "trained harder"?

In other words. Dorian trained harder.


Noooooooo. They simply train differently. One guy uses a lot of forced reps and descending sets; the other uses more volume and heavier weights. Neither style is "harder" than the other. Nice try!!


Not at all. i even started this thread clearly stating that i wasnt sure myself. but after the debate went on, i got convinced that dorian trained the hardest and i have successfully defended that opinion ever since.


Got convinced? You were convinced of that from the get-go.

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #183 on: April 08, 2008, 11:09:49 AM »
What's the point of this question, other than your obvious take that Dorian is a better bodybuilder than Ronnie, because he "trained harder"?

the point is to find out who train the hardest.

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Noooooooo. They simply train differently. One guy uses a lot of forced reps and descending sets; the other uses more volume and heavier weights. Neither style is "harder" than the other. Nice try!!

dorian trains at hard as he can.
ronnie doesnt.

conclusion: dorian trains the hardest.

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Got convinced? You were convinced of that from the get-go.

no i got convinced by the arguments for dorian.
he trains harder than ronnie.

whether he trains harder than platz, mentzer, king kamali, branch warren, gaspari, steve michalik etc we will find out next  :)
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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #184 on: April 08, 2008, 11:35:58 AM »
the point is to find out who train the hardest.

For what reason? I don't think you'd be singing the praises of Ken Jones, if he went "balls out" for his training.

dorian trains at hard as he can.
ronnie doesnt.


conclusion: dorian trains the hardest.

Hogwash!!! (regarding Ronnie). As was already brought up, intensity is based on different things. Is Dorian using the heaviest weights he can possibly use? Does he utilize the most difficult compound exercises? Those play a factor in "hard" training, or did you forget that.

Training to failure doesn't necessarily equate to training hard. I can train to failure using 225 or I can do straight sets using 315. Assuming my form is good using both poundages, which is going to require more effort?



no i got convinced by the arguments for dorian.
he trains harder than ronnie.

whether he trains harder than platz, mentzer, king kamali, branch warren, gaspari, steve michalik etc we will find out next  :)

"We"? You must have mice in your pocket. The arguments for both men were neck-and-neck, except for your multiple musings.

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #185 on: April 08, 2008, 11:39:11 AM »
For what reason?

curiosity

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Hogwash!!! As was already brought up, intensity is based on different things. Is Dorian using the heaviest weights he can possibly use? Does he utilize the most difficult compound exercises? Those play a factor in "hard" training, or did you forget that.

i think he is, pretty much, for most of the time.
where as we know ronnie isnt.

i dont think it's fair to compare to ronnie, we should probably compare with someone whos known for busting his balls in the gym, something ronnie isnt. its not ronnie choosen method of training.

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"We"? You must have mice in your pocket. The arguments for both men were neck-and-neck, except for your multiple musings.

more people voted dorian, than ronnie.
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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #186 on: April 08, 2008, 11:41:06 AM »
you fags need to get a room

curiosity

i think he is, pretty much, for most of the time.
where as we know ronnie isnt.

i dont think it's fair to compare to ronnie, we should probably compare with someone whos known for busting his balls in the gym, something ronnie isnt. its not ronnie choosen method of training.

more people voted dorian, than ronnie.

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #187 on: April 08, 2008, 01:07:13 PM »
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« Reply #188 on: April 08, 2008, 01:11:48 PM »
i see dorian easily training harder than ronnie

maybe ronnie potentially could push himself as hard, but he doesnt and dorian does

so

dorian wins
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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #189 on: April 08, 2008, 01:29:43 PM »
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« Reply #190 on: April 08, 2008, 01:30:12 PM »
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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #191 on: April 08, 2008, 02:44:08 PM »
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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #192 on: April 08, 2008, 02:46:26 PM »
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« Reply #193 on: April 08, 2008, 02:49:56 PM »
shit kenny passed 20k posts and didnt even announce it cause he was busy posting "ronnie" over and over and over

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #194 on: April 08, 2008, 03:31:24 PM »
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« Reply #195 on: April 08, 2008, 07:20:23 PM »
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« Reply #196 on: April 09, 2008, 09:04:53 AM »
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« Reply #197 on: April 09, 2008, 09:19:21 AM »
Coleman, Ronnie Coleman.

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #198 on: April 09, 2008, 11:53:04 AM »
After watching a Dorian youtube clip, I'm gonna make sure to scream everytime I do tricep pushdowns with a spotter.  ::)

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #199 on: April 09, 2008, 02:09:49 PM »
Yates was a total fraud and a phony. he took more drugs than anyone. he would even soak his blood in gh overnight and then reinject it.

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his body was truly repellent with its enormous gut and racist tattoos.

  Another one of your lies. We've been over this. Dorian was never a racist. He was, in fact, married to a non-white woman.

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coleman kills this hideous tattooed racist pos

  Only because he defeated Nasser. The only racist here is you. You dislike Dorian and like Nasser exclusively for racial reasons.