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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #200 on: April 09, 2008, 02:16:52 PM »
dorian

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #201 on: April 09, 2008, 02:28:49 PM »
Chuck Norris.

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #202 on: April 10, 2008, 01:28:07 PM »
Ronnie

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« Reply #203 on: April 10, 2008, 04:56:09 PM »
a beast in the gym dorian was

a beast in the gym ronnie wasnt
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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #204 on: April 10, 2008, 04:57:41 PM »
a beast in the gym dorian was

a beast in the gym ronnie wasnt

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #205 on: April 10, 2008, 05:43:22 PM »
Ronnie

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #207 on: April 10, 2008, 05:47:02 PM »
a beast in the gym dorian was

a beast in the gym ronnie wasnt

Never been in an actual gym you have. Null and void your opinion is.

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #208 on: April 10, 2008, 05:48:49 PM »
a beast in the gym dorian was

a beast in the gym ronnie wasnt

I think Dorian trained harder, but saying Ronnie wasn't a beast in the gym is just stupid ::)
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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #209 on: April 10, 2008, 05:57:21 PM »
I think Dorian trained harder, but saying Ronnie wasn't a beast in the gym is just stupid ::)

Screaming during cable push downs isn't training harder. Big Ron's workouts are much harder, even if his demeanor doesn't show it. Going up to 495 on the flat bench, then using 405 for several sets on the incline, then 405 on the flat bench for several sets for reps. Dorian does shit like hammer strength bench and inclines flies and screams.

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #210 on: April 10, 2008, 09:26:58 PM »
  Ronnie was much stronger overral, but there are some back exercises where Dorian can hold his own, like the barbell row. Dorian could row 5 plates a side for 6 reps with strict form. I don't think Ronnie was much stronger than that at this particular exercise. Maybe a little, but not much.

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #211 on: April 11, 2008, 09:51:34 AM »
Ronnie

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #212 on: April 11, 2008, 09:54:37 AM »
Doronniean Yoleman.

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« Reply #213 on: April 11, 2008, 10:04:51 AM »
Coleman was undoubtedly stronger than Yates. No question about that. It doesn't necessarly mean he worked harder. What could be a extremely intense workout to me could be midly intense to another guy using 20% more weight than I do. That doesn't say much beacause there are too many factors to put into equation (genetics beeing probably the most important). Let's not forget Coleman is only two years younger than Yates. Yates' career ended, due to injuries, at 35. Coleman came into his own circa 96 while he was already 32 and he won his first Olympia at age 34. If that says anything, it's that Ronnie had a better method to secure progress on the long term. But at the same time, his training didn't allow him to "blossom" earlier while Yates became a dominant force at a much earlier age. Two totally different stories.

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #214 on: April 12, 2008, 04:34:02 AM »
dorian clearly dorian
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« Reply #215 on: April 12, 2008, 01:00:27 PM »
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« Reply #216 on: April 12, 2008, 01:01:25 PM »
Coleman................. ........................ .......Ronnie Coleman.

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #217 on: April 13, 2008, 03:59:08 AM »
dorian yates

not only is he the hardest training

the competition was higher when he competed
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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #218 on: April 13, 2008, 09:11:34 AM »
Dorian.
The man is the definition of 'hard core'.
He didn't train within his genetic limit.
He went beyond that point and there are very few who can claim that and Ronnie is not one of them.
Dorian got multiple injuries and one of them actually ended his career because at the end the day, the man trained beyond his body's limit.
Is he the wisest trainer? I think not.
The hardest trainer ever? Hell yes.

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #219 on: April 13, 2008, 09:12:41 AM »
Dorian.
The man is the definition of 'hard core'.
He didn't train within his genetic limit.
He went beyond that point and there are very few who can claim that and Ronnie is not one of them.
Dorian got multiple injuries and one of them actually ended his career because at the end the day, the man trained beyond his body's limit.
Is he the wisest trainer? I think not.
The hardest trainer ever? Hell yes.

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #220 on: April 13, 2008, 09:15:27 AM »
Dorian.
The man is the definition of 'hard core'.
He didn't train within his genetic limit.
He went beyond that point and there are very few who can claim that and Ronnie is not one of them.
Dorian got multiple injuries and one of them actually ended his career because at the end the day, the man trained beyond his body's limit.
Is he the wisest trainer? I think not.
The hardest trainer ever? Hell yes.


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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #221 on: April 13, 2008, 09:17:09 AM »
Dorian.
The man is the definition of 'hard core'.
He didn't train within his genetic limit.
He went beyond that point and there are very few who can claim that and Ronnie is not one of them.
Dorian got multiple injuries and one of them actually ended his career because at the end the day, the man trained beyond his body's limit.
Is he the wisest trainer? I think not.
The hardest trainer ever? Hell yes.

Hi Dorian! Great to see you posting.

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #222 on: April 13, 2008, 10:09:50 AM »
Dorian.
The man is the definition of 'hard core'.
He didn't train within his genetic limit.
He went beyond that point and there are very few who can claim that and Ronnie is not one of them.
Dorian got multiple injuries and one of them actually ended his career because at the end the day, the man trained beyond his body's limit.
Is he the wisest trainer? I think not.
The hardest trainer ever? Hell yes.


well said

but the ronnie-camp are so obsessed with poundages, they actually believe the one who lifts the heaviest lift the hardest  ::)
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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #223 on: April 13, 2008, 10:21:21 AM »
Ronnie

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Re: who trained the hardest - ronnie coleman or dorian yates?
« Reply #224 on: April 13, 2008, 02:43:12 PM »
  Training hard and training heavy are two differenct properties. A powerlifter with a 600 lbs bench won't be training hard if he benches 300 lbs for 10, but for a much weaker man, doing even 6 reps with that weight will be exerting a much more brutal effort than it is for the powerlifter to do that weight for 10.

  Dorian trained harder because he often used weights that pushed the limits of his strengh, and he took sets to failure. Dorian would do usually 6 to 8 reps per set, and he would choose weights that were heavy enough for him to fail after that number of reps.

  Ronnie, conversely, would use weights far beneath his strengh, evident by the fact that he usually did between 12 and 15 reps per set, and even by the 15th reps he didn't achieve failure yet. This suggests that he usually trained with weights that were 50% of his 1RM, while Dorian trained with weights that were 80% of his 1RM. The only time when Ronnie trained harder than Dorian was when he did those insane doubles on the deadlift with 805 lbs or squated 800 lbs for a double. The problem is that this is not how Ronnie often trained. Dorian definitely trained harder, but the title of strongest Mr.Olympia definitely goes to Ronnie.