ECA... for its actual purpose?

[240 is Back]

As you may know from my getbig whining, I suffer from sinus congestion now that I live in pollen country.  I'm thinking about using ECA, well, the Bronkaid (expectorant/bronchodilator) for its intended purpose, to:

For the temporary relief of shortness of breath, tightness in chest, wheezing and cough associated with bronchial asthma. Helps loosen phlegm (mucus) and thin bronchial secretions to rid the bronchial passageways of bothersome mucus and drain bronchial tubes...



So can I just use it forever?  I take 50 mg caff in the AM, and 50 mg in the afternoon (no soda or coffee though).  Will it be like being on ECA forever, and make me all scrawny?  Should I reduce the Bronkaid dosage to see just how little I can get by on, to cure sinuses?  Any longterm worries?  Thanks!

[BroadStreetBruiser]

Try this out "big guy" hahaha oh brother

[Army of One]

As you may know from my getbig whining, I suffer from sinus congestion now that I live in pollen country.  I'm thinking about using ECA, well, the Bronkaid (expectorant/bronchodilator) for its intended purpose, to:

For the temporary relief of shortness of breath, tightness in chest, wheezing and cough associated with bronchial asthma. Helps loosen phlegm (mucus) and thin bronchial secretions to rid the bronchial passageways of bothersome mucus and drain bronchial tubes...



So can I just use it forever?  I take 50 mg caff in the AM, and 50 mg in the afternoon (no soda or coffee though).  Will it be like being on ECA forever, and make me all scrawny?  Should I reduce the Bronkaid dosage to see just how little I can get by on, to cure sinuses?  Any longterm worries?  Thanks!

I could have sworn I read you quit ECA before due to heart pains

SINUS CONGESTION>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HEART PAINS

[240 is Back]

If anything, an object like that would make my breathing worse, BSB.

[240 is Back]

I could have sworn I read you quite ECA before due to heart pains

SINUS COGESTION>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HEART PAINS

I got freaked out from 2 doses a day of ECA, got me ticker checked out, I was fine.

What I'd do here is a much smaller dose... instead of 200 mg caffeine, only 50.  And maybe split up the Broknaid/ephedrine to the smallest piece I could get by on.

[Zaphod]

I got freaked out from 2 doses a day of ECA, got me ticker checked out, I was fine.

What I'd do here is a much smaller dose... instead of 200 mg caffeine, only 50.  And maybe split up the Broknaid/ephedrine to the smallest piece I could get by on.

The pro ECA guys on here always mention the story of some woman who was on it for 50 years at 100mg/day. Not sure if that is an urban legend.

[Beener]

I got freaked out from 2 doses a day of ECA, got me ticker checked out, I was fine.

What I'd do here is a much smaller dose... instead of 200 mg caffeine, only 50.  And maybe split up the Broknaid/ephedrine to the smallest piece I could get by on.

...why the caffeine? You're not trying to lose weight, just open your noseways.

[240 is Back]

...why the caffeine? You're not trying to lose weight, just open your noseways.

the same reason most americans take it... to wake up in the AM

I used to be on 400 to 600 mg per day.  Got it down to 1/4 a yellow in the AM, and 1/4 a yellow in the PM.

[Red Hook]

As you may know from my getbig whining, I suffer from sinus congestion now that I live in pollen country.  I'm thinking about using ECA, well, the Bronkaid (expectorant/bronchodilator) for its intended purpose, to:

For the temporary relief of shortness of breath, tightness in chest, wheezing and cough associated with bronchial asthma. Helps loosen phlegm (mucus) and thin bronchial secretions to rid the bronchial passageways of bothersome mucus and drain bronchial tubes...



So can I just use it forever?  I take 50 mg caff in the AM, and 50 mg in the afternoon (no soda or coffee though).  Will it be like being on ECA forever, and make me all scrawny?  Should I reduce the Bronkaid dosage to see just how little I can get by on, to cure sinuses?  Any longterm worries?  Thanks!

honestly I have severe allergies, I usually suffer every spring and summer, my nose gets clogged and I just can't breath. . I tried it all, Claratin, Zertec, Tylenol allergies....nothing worked for me. Vasopro solved that problem for me

[240 is Back]

honestly I have severe allergies, I usually suffer every spring and summer, my nose gets clogged and I just can't breath. . I tried it all, Claratin, Zertec, Tylenol allergies....nothing worked for me. Vasopro solved that problem for me

thanks.  I've tried claritin, sudafed, zyrtec, and a few others.  All helped a little bit, but none was as great as the Bronkaid.

So you just used it in spring/summer?  How long at a time?  what kinda dose?

[Red Hook]

thanks.  I've tried claritin, sudafed, zyrtec, and a few others.  All helped a little bit, but none was as great as the Bronkaid.

So you just used it in spring/summer?  How long at a time?  what kinda dose?

standard ECA 25mg/200mg caf/81mg aspirin...2 weeks on 2 weeks off.

upon waking and then around 7pm.  For the 7pm dose I play it by ear, sometimes I skip it.


perhaps it is purely mental, but I find that vasopro works better *shrugs*

[heavyNbasic]

Try Sinus Buster, or a similar capsaicin based product if you're worried about the side effects of eca.  I have cronic sinus problems.  Heard about this stuff on Stern, and gave it a try.  Burns for a bit, but works wonders for me.  Not sure about effects of long term use as I only recently started using it. 

[candidizzle]

the same reason most americans take it... to wake up in the AM

I used to be on 400 to 600 mg per day.  Got it down to 1/4 a yellow in the AM, and 1/4 a yellow in the PM.

you dont need any caffiene for energy if your taking 50mg ephedrine twice a day..

drop the caffiene

 eat some more healthy fats

you wont lose muscle

[The Coach]

Rob, if you go to the "ask Joe" section of my site, I will answer that :-)

[Van_Bilderass]

The pro ECA guys on here always mention the story of some woman who was on it for 50 years at 100mg/day. Not sure if that is an urban legend.

This one? 150mg/day for 30 years for asthma. Increasing to a gram a day wasn't a good idea 

Harefuah. 1994 Sep;127(5-6):166-8, 215.Links
    [Ephedrine psychosis]
    [Article in Hebrew]

    Shufman NE, Witztum E, Vass A.

    Jerusalem Institute for Treatment of Substance Abuse.

    Ephedrine has both alpha- and beta-adrenergic activity, and both direct and indirect effects on receptors. Its stimulatory effects on the central nervous system are more prolonged, though less potent, than those of adrenalin. It raises blood pressure both by increasing cardiac output and inducing peripheral vasoconstriction. It is still commonly used as a bronchodilator. However, since prolonged use leads to decreased effectiveness, patients tend to increase the dose themselves. The clinical picture of ephedrine psychosis resembles that induced by amphetamines: primarily a paranoid psychosis with delusions of persecution and auditory and visual hallucinations in a setting of unclouded consciousness. We present a 57-year-old woman who had been taking a usual dose of ephedrine for bronchial asthma (50 mg 3 times a day) for more than 30 years. When her husband died she developed depression, for which she tried to use ephedrine as an antidepressive, increasing the dose to 500 to 1000 mg a day over the course of half a year. She developed paranoid psychosis with delusions of persecution and auditory hallucinations, despite a clear sensorium. Recovery was rapid after ephedrine was gradually reduced to 200 mg a day and a small dose (200 mg) of the neuroleptic thioridazine was added.

[The Coach]

Let's get back to 240's question.

[benz]

As you may know from my getbig whining, I suffer from sinus congestion now that I live in pollen country.  I'm thinking about using ECA, well, the Bronkaid (expectorant/bronchodilator) for its intended purpose, to:

For the temporary relief of shortness of breath, tightness in chest, wheezing and cough associated with bronchial asthma. Helps loosen phlegm (mucus) and thin bronchial secretions to rid the bronchial passageways of bothersome mucus and drain bronchial tubes...



So can I just use it forever?  I take 50 mg caff in the AM, and 50 mg in the afternoon (no soda or coffee though).  Will it be like being on ECA forever, and make me all scrawny?  Should I reduce the Bronkaid dosage to see just how little I can get by on, to cure sinuses?  Any longterm worries?  Thanks!

it's your lucky day, i have the same problem as you, congestion, my eyes cry, oh man its just the worst! BUT i found a great med 2 years ago and i swear you will just have to take it for a week or so, and forget about congestion for the rest of the year.
Its called neoclaritine, dont hate yet, just buy it, its pretty cheap and tell me how do you feel after 1 week.

[Van_Bilderass]

Let's get back to 240's question.

Why can't you answer it here?

[The Coach]

I tried to play a round of golf with an ECA a few weeks ago (because I walk the course) and got the yips.....shot my worst round ever:(

[benz]

240, here's your solution

http://www.merck.com/mmpe/lexicomp/desloratadine.html

DONT HATE YET, just get it, take it for a week and enjoy your new life 

[candidizzle]

I tried to play a round of golf with an ECA a few weeks ago (because I walk the course) and got the yips.....shot my worst round ever:(

stimulants dont work well for golf

try some soma

[The Coach]

stimulants dont work well for golf

try some soma

Yeah no shit..........my 4ft putt turned into a 12ft putt

[doison]

Yeah no shit..........my 4ft putt turned into a 12ft putt

Sucks when your third putt goes leaves you longer from the hole. 

Did you end up four putting?

[240 is Back]

I had insomnia so the doc prescribed the Golf Channel.


I'm taking 1/3 a bronkaid in the AM, and 1/3 a bronkaid at night.

I'm also taking 40 mg caffeine at those times - which is equal to a can of soda or 1/3 cup of coffee - very minimal but prevents the headache from my body being used to it.

This is my 3rd day, and after battling chest congestion for months, it's completely gone.  Bronkaid rules.  No ECA jitters, probably not taking enough (and no aspirin of course).

[Van_Bilderass]

This is my 3rd day, and after battling chest congestion for months, it's completely gone.  Bronkaid rules.  No ECA jitters, probably not taking enough (and no aspirin of course).

Ephedrine is really not that strong of a stimulant. It's when you take it with caffeine that it hits you hard. You can give a lot of people ephedrine and they wouldn't know they took it - unless they had a lot of caffeine with it.