Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!

[Vince B]

Hey, Hank, are you an English professor?

I meant that I have been fighting the practice of using drugs to build muscle. The only drugs I take is the occasional aspirin.

Amazing how some in this thread try to shift the blame for the mess in professional bodybuilding to me. I don't advocate anabolic steroids. I certainly wouldn't recommend that anyone fool around with protocols as described by self-styled guru gh15. That is madness. If you must try some then do so under medical supervision.

The sooner we boot Bob and others that control the sport the better. Of course, that is not going to happen because the corruption goes right to the top.

[New Hank Wood]

Vince, in the future 'steroids' as we know them, will be obsolete.  They will be replaced by 'gene manipulation' of myostatin.  Yes, this will usher in the new era of the 'Myostatin Freak'.

Basile, what stance will you take then? 

Vince, you pretend to be this anti-steroid-crusader.  You argue that  these drugs, along with enablers like Chick, are responsible for the horrendous state Pro Bodybuilding is in today.

My point is, the steroid-dilemma is soon to become a distant memory.  Gene manipulation is just around the corner!  Tomorrow's 'Myostatin Freak' will  truly shock and awe!

Basile, i think you should move out of the 'dinosaur era' and shift your focus to the real threat; that is 'myostatin manipulation'!
 

[Meltdown]

Hank Myostatin will be just fine with the IFBB Pro Drug Rule as they the IFBB Don't do Drug Tests.How Fukin sad things are when you look at the Brow on so many Pros FFS if that in itself doesn't scream PLEASE start Drug testing I don't know what does.These Bloated ugly face changing Drug Fuks need to be tested.Vince how's the fire starting going?Keep us up to speed with your anti Drugs crusade.IFBB Drug Rule=No Fukin Drug tests.IDIOTS.

[New Hank Wood]

Vince, you are a pretender! 

In all honesty what have you done to try and save the sport?  Have you approached any media outlets?  Surely, that would be a starting-point for your crusade.

Basile, you are a fraud.  You are actually part of the problem.

Oh yeah, watching you squirm and try to rationalize your own battles with steroids is just so pitiful!

[G o a t b o y]

If you must try some then do so under medical supervision.

Vince, that's ridiculous advice, since no doctor would agree to supervise someone's illegal steroid-taking, at least not in the US with the steroid witch-hunts going on here.

[Hedgehog]

Vince, you are a pretender! 

In all honesty what have you done to try and save the sport?  Have you approached any media outlets?  Surely, that would be a starting-point for your crusade.

Basile, you are a fraud.  You are actually part of the problem.

Oh yeah, watching you squirm and try to rationalize your own battles with steroids is just so pitiful!

hank wood,

did I ever tell you how much I truly appreciate your wisdom and insights on all matters bodybuilding?

[New Hank Wood]

Basile, it is time to act!

[Meltdown]

Vince it only takes one man to make a change.This man could well be you.Just think Vince YOU could change BB for the better think of how many mothers would thank you knowing little johnny won't grow up with a picture of a Drug Fuked Pro on his wall.You can change BB for the better.Do your BEST.

[New Hank Wood]

Basile, you bitch and moan about the appalling state bodybuilding is in, yet do absolutely nothing to bring about change.

Yes, grow some balls and the take the fight to 'mainstream media' and the government.  I mean, if you really do care about saving this sport, then you would at least contact these 'outlets'.

Bottom line Basile, you are just another x-pro, x steroid user who is part of the problem. Dan Duchaine is so right about people like you!

[Vince B]

Who in the media would listen to what goes on in professional bodybuilding? I agree the journey has to begin with a single step forward.

[Meltdown]

Vince you own a gym contact the media and tell them you are sick of how many times a day you have to tell young guys in your gym IT'S ALL DRUGS tell the media Pro BB makes your job harder as the IFBB never Drug test any Pros and seems to be an invitation to abuse Drugs with REWARD.It only takes one man to make change.It's your time now Vince start the fire and watch it burn.

[New Hank Wood]

Basile, you have had the privilege of working, training and competing in this industry for over 40 years, yet have done absolutely nothing to bring about change to the 'drug code'.

My question;

Vince, why do you continue to spank on, name drop, post photos, call out pros and continually highlight the failings of the sport yet do 'zip' to facilitate change?

Basile, I think you pretend to be outraged about the steroided freaks and industry corruption.  I think you are just an attention seeker who harbours underlying 'muscle worshipping fantasies'!

[The Ugly]

Basile, you have had the privilege of working, training and competing in this industry for over 40 years, yet have done absolutely nothing to bring about change to the 'drug code'.

My question;

Vince, why do you continue to spank on, name drop, post photos, call out pros and continually highlight the failings of the sport yet do 'zip' to facilitate change?

Basile, I think you pretend to be outraged about the steroided freaks and industry corruption.  I think you are just an attention seeker who harbours underlying 'muscle worshipping fantasies'!

Hank, roses are red.

Wood, violets are 'blue.'

Hank, stop.

[The Master]

Vince Basile
Has a lot of milage put into fat women
He = disgusting
And old

[New Hank Wood]

Vince, you talk of feeling to lazy to train. 

So this means, you would rather spend the twilight years of your life getting fat, trolling the boards and posting pictures of yourself.

[Meltdown]

How Fuking Long can a BB break the law and rub it in the faces of society.Forget about the rampent Drug use and Abuse just tell me another Fukin sport org in the world that Fukin REWARDS members for ABUSING DRUGS.Not one.If it's legal or not in the Rules of the IFBB then push those needles in all day and get sick who fukin cares. ::)But it's against their own Fukin Rules.

[Meltdown]

Vince is busy making change as we type he is in meetings with media outlets telling them how often he has to tell young gym members that you don't get to look like an IFBB Pro taking Vitamins and Protein It's all Drugs and how Arnold even runs a show that REWARDS BBs for their blatant Drug Abuse.Yes it only takes one man to make a change.

[New Hank Wood]

Vince is the ultimate hypocrite!  He is a former steroid user himself!  That just makes his 'calls' for a drug-free-sport seem so pathetic!

Of course Vince is not the 'problem'. But it is painfully obvious that he is a 'symptom' of the problem.


And yes, Vince is a  pseudo-intellectual who  harbours gross inadequacies about his 'place in the industry'. Hence, the constant taunting of Bob; that wealthy, healthy and successful Pro.

Hey Vince, time to start yet another thread....oh yeah tell everyone 'again' that you are a philosopher and a have a high intellect.....

oh yeah, don't forget to say that you have no patience for the flotsam that post here!

[Meltdown]

Vince if you think Mr Canada made you famous just think you can tell your grand children I changed BB for the better by bringing Drug Abuse to the Media and outing the IFBB Drug Rule as a Use what you want Rule.

[Vince B]

Howard, if I cannot convince you about ending steroids in bodybuilding then what hope have I to convince anyone else? If the educated among us accept and support these practices then we deserve to be a subculture forever.

Somehow, somewhere, sometime and some way the intelligent people in this sport must make a stand. I don't consider Bob to be a friend of intelligent bodybuilding. He condones the use of banned substances and insists it is a choice. Goodness me, who would appoint a guy like that to represent the best interests of athletes? That is preposterous. Bob is simply a pawn of Jim Manion who has an iron grip on the professionals. It is all about control. You have to qualify to get a pro card and then qualify for the Olympia. These processes keep everyone in line. Jim Manion has a loyal group of people helping him run the show. The problem is this clique is hardly an open group and those insiders do not have to listen to anyone. There is no accountability.

Bodybuilders have to pay fees to belong and can't compete where they like. The reason is simple. The top title is Mr Olympia and as long as the IFBB controls that contest then bodybuilders will be like sheep and Bob with herd them together and nip at any strays like Lee Priest.

I talked to Lee yesterday about why he wants to compete if the system is so corrupt. He says he does it for his fans. That doesn't seem to be a good enough reason for me. He knows that it is way too expensive to take the IFBB to court and they know this. Unless a millionaire bodybuilder challenges the IFBB through the courts then nothing is going to change. I fear we are going to get more of the same for some time.

At every show the head judge will call out the 3 finalists and probably in a special order so that the other judges know where to place everyone. Ah, the system is insidious. The fans complain all the time but the winners never do. Bob Chick gets a gift in the masters and the best guy in the line up gets 8th place. Yes, Bev Francis, Lee Priest and Sergio Oliva know all about that number.

The fact that I have to come on a discussion board and even debate these facts is sad. Nothing will be changed because it doesn't pay anyone to stand up and speak out. Who is the Pro committee and what qualifications do they have? Who picked the judges for the controversial contests? I mean, surely Manion didn't pick the judges for the Masters Pro? Who picked the first call out in that contest? Ah, the blatant corruption and I have to argue with guys given gifts! It is absurd. When absurdities are the bottom line then something stinks in this sport. Oh, I forgot, it is the American way that is to blame! Thanks, Bob.

[Meltdown]

Vince you can make change.Go down in history as the guy who exposed the IFBB Pro circut for what it is Drugs Drugs Drugs and more Drugs.I will ask you again show me one sport where they Reward Drug Abuse with Money and sponsorship.We wait the change of BB with your help Vince.

[Chick]

Vince you can make change.Go down in history as the guy who exposed the IFBB Pro circut for what it is Drugs Drugs Drugs and more Drugs.I will ask you again show me one sport where they Reward Drug Abuse with Money and sponsorship.We wait the change of BB with your help Vince.

Well...just name a sport.

[Vince B]

In Australia the IFBB is controlled by a former criminal who lived with Arnold in 1968 and who was arrested by the FBI in February 1969 in Hawaii for dealing in foreign commerce with stolen vehicles. He spent a couple of years in prison in America. Paul Graham was elected to the president's position in 1972 in Melbourne and he has kept his position but changed the organization since. People have tried to kick Paul out but have not been successful. The headquarters keep Paul in charge and tell him how to set up things so they can't remove him. He promoted the 1980 Mr Olympia that Arnold won.

This man gave me 25 points out of 100 in the 1975 Mr Australia contest. Along with Arnold's low score that resulted in my being placed last in the tall men's class. Why should a man who did something like this ever be associated with bodybuilding again? Neither should Arnold have anything to do with bodybuilding because he doesn't have the integrity required. He is governor of California but allows competitors to not be tested for banned substances in shows named after him that he attends, etc.

There is corruption and downright incompetence in bodybuilding and why should I give money to those who cannot be removed? It makes no sense to me. In 1980 our gym sold 200 tickets to the Mr Olympia contest. That shows what can be done if you have motivated people associated with contests. If you antagonize others then why should they support you at all?

You hear of corruption in boxing but I would bet bodybuilding is just as corrupt.

If Howard wants to support bodybuilding by attending contests that is his business. However, he shouldn't deviate from his position that drugs are ruining the sport.

[onlyme]

Well...just name a sport.

Again you are mixing up Drug Abuse and Drug Use.  Different things.  Hope this helps. 

[Chick]

Again you are mixing up Drug Abuse and Drug Use.  Different things.  Hope this helps. 

Again...both happen in all sports.