Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

In Australia the IFBB is controlled by a former criminal who lived with Arnold in 1968 and who was arrested by the FBI in February 1969 in Hawaii for dealing in foreign commerce with stolen vehicles. He spent a couple of years in prison in America. Paul Graham was elected to the president's position in 1972 in Melbourne and he has kept his position but changed the organization since. People have tried to kick Paul out but have not been successful. The headquarters keep Paul in charge and tell him how to set up things so they can't remove him. He promoted the 1980 Mr Olympia that Arnold won.

This man gave me 25 points out of 100 in the 1975 Mr Australia contest. Along with Arnold's low score that resulted in my being placed last in the tall men's class. Why should a man who did something like this ever be associated with bodybuilding again? Neither should Arnold have anything to do with bodybuilding because he doesn't have the integrity required. He is governor of California but allows competitors to not be tested for banned substances in shows named after him that he attends, etc.

There is corruption and downright incompetence in bodybuilding and why should I give money to those who cannot be removed? It makes no sense to me. In 1980 our gym sold 200 tickets to the Mr Olympia contest. That shows what can be done if you have motivated people associated with contests. If you antagonize others then why should they support you at all?

You hear of corruption in boxing but I would bet bodybuilding is just as corrupt.

If Howard wants to support bodybuilding by attending contests that is his business. However, he shouldn't deviate from his position that drugs are ruining the sport.

Arnold used steroids and his competition including yourself used steroids for the Mr Australia.  It was an even playing field and you were properly placed.


Most importantly, what does it say about yout 1970 Mr Canada win???   What about the competitors that you beat because you used steroids and they didn't?


Since you used steroids to win the Mr Canada and you are preaching for drug testing, then you should return your Mr Canada trophy to the IFBB to make a statement
 

[Meltdown]

Vince has said he gave that old trophy away to his ex to do as she wanted with it.So I guess it didn't mean that much to him,after all it wasn't like it was an IFBB Pro card.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.Yo u yourself have said you use Drugs so get you Pro card and compete in silence.FOOL.

[G o a t b o y]

*bump* for purple font! 

[Tony Doherty]

In Australia the IFBB is controlled by a former criminal who lived with Arnold in 1968 and who was arrested by the FBI in February 1969 in Hawaii for dealing in foreign commerce with stolen vehicles. He spent a couple of years in prison in America. Paul Graham was elected to the president's position in 1972 in Melbourne and he has kept his position but changed the organization since. People have tried to kick Paul out but have not been successful. The headquarters keep Paul in charge and tell him how to set up things so they can't remove him. He promoted the 1980 Mr Olympia that Arnold won.

This man gave me 25 points out of 100 in the 1975 Mr Australia contest. Along with Arnold's low score that resulted in my being placed last in the tall men's class. Why should a man who did something like this ever be associated with bodybuilding again? Neither should Arnold have anything to do with bodybuilding because he doesn't have the integrity required. He is governor of California but allows competitors to not be tested for banned substances in shows named after him that he attends, etc.

There is corruption and downright incompetence in bodybuilding and why should I give money to those who cannot be removed? It makes no sense to me. In 1980 our gym sold 200 tickets to the Mr Olympia contest. That shows what can be done if you have motivated people associated with contests. If you antagonize others then why should they support you at all?

You hear of corruption in boxing but I would bet bodybuilding is just as corrupt.

If Howard wants to support bodybuilding by attending contests that is his business. However, he shouldn't deviate from his position that drugs are ruining the sport.

HI Vince, it was just a matter of time before you wrote this one again. Normally Paul and Arnold get a mention a bitter earlier in your posts.

I have promoted 8 straight pro shows Vince and you have attended zero. How long since you have actually been to a bodybuilding show. Hell I will even give you a ticket so then at least you will have something current to bitch about. Sorry to hear you placed so bad in your last contest, just remember your mate mentzer, all that hate and regret helped to drive him to the grave.

Lighten up Vince, maybe it is just sour grapes from you after all.

The offer stands Vince, come to a show as my guest, any time, you may even enjoy yourself. 

[New Hank Wood]

HI Vince, it was just a matter of time before you wrote this one again. Normally Paul and Arnold get a mention a bitter earlier in your posts.

I have promoted 8 straight pro shows Vince and you have attended zero. How long since you have actually been to a bodybuilding show. Hell I will even give you a ticket so then at least you will have something current to bitch about. Sorry to hear you placed so bad in your last contest, just remember your mate mentzer, all that hate and regret helped to drive him to the grave.

Lighten up Vince, maybe it is just sour grapes from you after all.

The offer stands Vince, come to a show as my guest, any time, you may even enjoy yourself. 

Great post Tony.

I have to say it ; ''You just owned Vince!''

[Vince B]

Hi, Tony. Yes, if I lived in Melbourne I might come along and see your shows. I don't feel like giving money to Paul, though. Not that the animosity remains but I don't like the way he runs his contests. The last show I was at was to support a gym member. That Australasian was won by Luke Wood who got his pro card that day. I asked Paul why the contestants weren't introduced to the audience and he replied they did that at the evening show. Those of us who didn't go had no idea who those guys were. Contests are about the bodybuilders and we introduced everyone to the audience as soon as they appeared when we ran our shows. Paul never did listen to advice re contests and always did things with Carol. I remember one year I asked Paul about a problem and he told me to go ask Carol. So I did and she told me to go ask Paul!

I still sold 200 tickets for Paul in 1980 and the Mr Australia was in 75.

Bodybuilding could be much bigger now that there are so many big gyms around. The trouble is the drugs spoil the spectacle keep fans away.

I hate what the sport has become. Drugs were around in the old days just like today but I can't say things have improved. It is very disappointing and guys like me can't effect changes because the system is impervious to improvement except from within.

[Meltdown]

Vince you know all the correct taxes get paid by the IFBB and Pro shows run at a loss so if you get them the IFBB to Drug test Pros as per their Rules they may even lose more money.But Bob says Drugs play a very little part in BB it's all Genetics.Well if it is Genetics and not Drugs then there would be no problem testing Pros.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmm

[Chick]

Hi, Tony. Yes, if I lived in Melbourne I might come along and see your shows. I don't feel like giving money to Paul, though. Not that the animosity remains but I don't like the way he runs his contests. The last show I was at was to support a gym member. That Australasian was won by Luke Wood who got his pro card that day. I asked Paul why the contestants weren't introduced to the audience and he replied they did that at the evening show. Those of us who didn't go had no idea who those guys were. Contests are about the bodybuilders and we introduced everyone to the audience as soon as they appeared when we ran our shows. Paul never did listen to advice re contests and always did things with Carol. I remember one year I asked Paul about a problem and he told me to go ask Carol. So I did and she told me to go ask Paul!

I still sold 200 tickets for Paul in 1980 and the Mr Australia was in 75.

Bodybuilding could be much bigger now that there are so many big gyms around. The trouble is the drugs spoil the spectacle keep fans away.

I hate what the sport has become. Drugs were around in the old days just like today but I can't say things have improved. It is very disappointing and guys like me can't effect changes because the system is impervious to improvement except from within.

LOL...

[New Hank Wood]

It is very disappointing and guys like me can't effect changes because the system is impervious to improvement except from within.

You are full of excuses and rationalizations Vince!  

Bottom line, you 'cannot effect change' because you are lazy-minded! 

Oh, ok, you don't have the ability nor the resources to do so!  Demonstrate the  'superior intellect' that you remind everyone of incessantly and do something to effect chage!


Stop blaming others for the shortfalls in this sport. And enough of the constant character assassinations on Paul and Arnold. These two men have done more for this sport that you could ever imagine, try, hope or believe!

Vince, if you are truly passionate about facilitating change in the  IFBB drug code  then you would not be wasting your time on here running everyone down!

Yes, you would be actively lobbying the relevant groups/authorities. Why aren't you out there 'effecting change' Vince? Why? Why? Why?

 You are so pompous and arrogant in your views.

Can you not see how obnoxious and alienating you are?

[mass 04]

"guys like me" Vince will you show the IFBB your Mr. Podunk 1676 plastic trophy and revolutionize bb?

[Vince B]

Bob Chick isn't very consistent. First he tries to dismiss any criticism from me as being uninformed and out of the loop. He claims I don't know what is going on and therefore am ignorant about current practices, etc.

If this is true, and I am not saying it is, then Bob is the one in a position to do something about banned substances. Doesn't he have a vote on the pro committee? Isn't he mates with Jim Manion? Has Bob ever put a motion to them about testing for banned substances? Sure would be good to get a copy of the minutes of that committee. Not that I imagine any such thing is kept.

Bob, it shouldn't be about choice. If you are the athletes rep then you should represent the best interest of athletes and you should be speaking out loudly about testing of all professional contests. Don't perpetuate the mess just because you owe them for a contest. Have the guts to stand up for what is right and what is best for the sport.

These pleas will fall on deaf ears and you will try to make me responsible for the sordid state of professional bodybuilding.

[Meltdown]

Vince will go down in History for bringing the house of cards down.When he talks Media outlets will listen he knows quite a bit about the workings of the IFBB and their Rules and how they choose to use some and not others.He has a very Strong point about Arnold running shows that are not Drug tested.He also knows how many Pros get arrested at airports going to Pro shows carrying Drugs if not Viagra to Valium and other Banned substances.He is bringing change.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Hi, Tony. Yes, if I lived in Melbourne I might come along and see your shows. I don't feel like giving money to Paul, though. Not that the animosity remains but I don't like the way he runs his contests. The last show I was at was to support a gym member. That Australasian was won by Luke Wood who got his pro card that day. I asked Paul why the contestants weren't introduced to the audience and he replied they did that at the evening show. Those of us who didn't go had no idea who those guys were. Contests are about the bodybuilders and we introduced everyone to the audience as soon as they appeared when we ran our shows. Paul never did listen to advice re contests and always did things with Carol. I remember one year I asked Paul about a problem and he told me to go ask Carol. So I did and she told me to go ask Paul!

I still sold 200 tickets for Paul in 1980 and the Mr Australia was in 75.

Bodybuilding could be much bigger now that there are so many big gyms around. The trouble is the drugs spoil the spectacle keep fans away.

I hate what the sport has become. Drugs were around in the old days just like today but I can't say things have improved. It is very disappointing and guys like me can't effect changes because the system is impervious to improvement except from within.

Vince, if you're blaming Paul for giving you the lowest score in the Mr Australia in 1975, then why would you go sell 200 tickets for him in 1980???

[Vince B]

Well, Paul used to present a big trophy to the gym that sold the most tickets for his contests. I usually won that award and sent my employee up to collect it. It was my way of being a shit stirrer. In 1980 they had a really big trophy for the best support gym but never presented it! I shouted out at the end about it and went up and got it. Paul said there was no time. The truth is he didn't want me to come up on stage and get that award in front of the bodybuilding world. We took the engraving off that trophy and sent it over to Chris Dickerson with the inscription: Chris Dickerson, Mr Olympia 1980 - from the bodybuilders of Australia. I never heard if Chris got the trophy. He never acknowledged that trophy but it should be a classic now that you think about the controvery that persists about that show.

[New Hank Wood]

You have such a hatred of Paul.  It is just oozing from every post. 

Look, Paul may have wronged you Vince, but does it really matter?  Afterall, you were using steroids, so a win would have been just a 'false victory'....Yes, you loathe drug cheats, don't you Vince? 

F..kin low life hypocrite!

[Vince B]

I don't dislike Paul. I talk to him if I see him. I heard he isn't happy that I mention his criminal record on Getbig.

The guys who came second and third, Ken Rivard and Philippe Alfani, probably used steroids for longer than I ever did. It was a level playing field except for Walter Milner, who, I believe, was natural. He went on to win Mr Canada as did junior winner John Mikl. He was Thor in his band. Walter fell off a scaffold and died quite a while ago. There was a nice bloke for sure.

[G o a t b o y]

Hey, Vince INVENTED obnoxious. Show the great inventor some respect, dammit!

[Chick]

Bob Chick isn't very consistent. First he tries to dismiss any criticism from me as being uninformed and out of the loop. He claims I don't know what is going on and therefore am ignorant about current practices, etc.

If this is true, and I am not saying it is, then Bob is the one in a position to do something about banned substances. Doesn't he have a vote on the pro committee? Isn't he mates with Jim Manion? Has Bob ever put a motion to them about testing for banned substances? Sure would be good to get a copy of the minutes of that committee. Not that I imagine any such thing is kept.

Bob, it shouldn't be about choice. If you are the athletes rep then you should represent the best interest of athletes and you should be speaking out loudly about testing of all professional contests. Don't perpetuate the mess just because you owe them for a contest. Have the guts to stand up for what is right and what is best for the sport.

These pleas will fall on deaf ears and you will try to make me responsible for the sordid state of professional bodybuilding.

I do represent the athletes, and whats in their best interests...in effect, I echo their sentiments and concerns, etc. To date a grand total of ZERO athletes have expressed an interest in bringing this to the table. I've had countless conversations with them, with oficials, etc...I have yet to hear of one requests to insist that testing be mandatory.

Whats in the best interest of the sport, is NOT testing.

Everyone with a brain seems to get it, no surprise you don't.

Thinking that instituting drug testing will actually INCREASE interest and attendance, only shows me you are all the things I lable you....clueles, out of touch and delusional.

[Chick]

In Australia the IFBB is controlled by a former criminal who lived with Arnold in 1968 and who was arrested by the FBI in February 1969 in Hawaii for dealing in foreign commerce with stolen vehicles. He spent a couple of years in prison in America. Paul Graham was elected to the president's position in 1972 in Melbourne and he has kept his position but changed the organization since. People have tried to kick Paul out but have not been successful. The headquarters keep Paul in charge and tell him how to set up things so they can't remove him. He promoted the 1980 Mr Olympia that Arnold won.

This man gave me 25 points out of 100 in the 1975 Mr Australia contest. Along with Arnold's low score that resulted in my being placed last in the tall men's class. Why should a man who did something like this ever be associated with bodybuilding again? Neither should Arnold have anything to do with bodybuilding because he doesn't have the integrity required. He is governor of California but allows competitors to not be tested for banned substances in shows named after him that he attends, etc.

There is corruption and downright incompetence in bodybuilding and why should I give money to those who cannot be removed? It makes no sense to me. In 1980 our gym sold 200 tickets to the Mr Olympia contest. That shows what can be done if you have motivated people associated with contests. If you antagonize others then why should they support you at all?

You hear of corruption in boxing but I would bet bodybuilding is just as corrupt.

If Howard wants to support bodybuilding by attending contests that is his business. However, he shouldn't deviate from his position that drugs are ruining the sport.

Here again, we have your delusional thinking....you want to know the real reason they placed you last? Because you had the worst physique....So both men lack integrity, etc for the mere fact they thought you sucked??

[Vince B]

Bob, you have a poor memory. Lee Priest asked you several times here on Getbig why the IFBB doesn't test for drugs. You could have expressed his concern to the committee.

What is absolutely amazing is how you don't represent yourself. Why don't you protest against banned substances to the committee? You are a professional bodybuilder. You should be against having to be on the drug playing field. Wasn't it you who boasted you had better genetics that me and you looked better at 16 than I did as Mr Canada? Guys like you would still do well naturally. Well, that is the boast.

Something not right here, Bob.

Hope this helps? But I know it won't. Too stubborn or maybe a barbell fell on your head.

[New Hank Wood]

Vince, why do find it necessary to 'dredge up' Paul Graham's past criminal history?  He went to jail, he repaid his debt to society.

It is obvious what you are up to Vince. By rehashing Paul's past criminal ways, you are indirectly alleging that criminal-corruption  still exist at the highest order of the IFBB.

Vince, i would be very careful if i was you!  Paul is well connected!

[Chick]

Bob, you have a poor memory. Lee Priest asked you several times here on Getbig why the IFBB doesn't test for drugs. You could have expressed his concern to the committee.

What is absolutely amazing is how you don't represent yourself. Why don't you protest against banned substances to the committee? You are a professional bodybuilder. You should be against having to be on the drug playing field. Wasn't it you who boasted you had better genetics that me and you looked better at 16 than I did as Mr Canada? Guys like you would still do well naturally. Well, that is the boast.

Something not right here, Bob.

Hope this helps? But I know it won't. Too stubborn or maybe a barbell fell on your head.

He had no concern, wasn't even a IFBB member, and is hardly drug free...

My genetics, and the fact I looked better at 16/ drug free than you ever did on the juice...has nothing to do with anything.

[New Hank Wood]

Bob, you have a poor memory. Lee Priest asked you several times here on Getbig why the IFBB doesn't test for drugs. color]

Hhahahaha.  That's hilarious!  Lee Priest wanting to know why the IFBB doesn't test for drugs! Lol

[Meltdown]

If there was an attempted hit on Vince at least he will have his foot in the door of Media outlets.Not the best way to get attention but whatever works.Vince has no fear of the Truth.

[Vince B]

Okay, Bob, come clean. I have to be simple and direct here.

Have you sent a proposal about drug testing to the professional committee on behalf of yourself? Surely you would prefer to compete drug free and not have to worry about side effects and future poor health. I find it rather sad that older guys are using steroids to compete in bodybuilding contests.