Vince Basile: You seem to harbour much bitterness towards Chick!

[G o a t b o y]

I have no illegal drug use.

So that makes you the only IFBB pro who is natural. 

[Van_Bilderass]

So that makes you the only IFBB pro who is natural. 

Chick has a script... from 10 different doctors 

[G o a t b o y]

Chick has a script... from 10 different doctors 

Which means he's breaking the law...  doctor shopping is illegal.  Really, there's no way to legally do the dosages IFBB pros have to in order to compete.  These guys that say they "have a script" are still breaking the law.  The most a doc can really prescribe for HRT purposes is 100mg-200mg/wk or so, if you can even find one who will give you injectible test instead of androgel, so these guys are doing one of three things:

1) Doctor shopping - 10 docs giving a 100mg/wk script for 1000mg/wk total.  Illegal.

2) They go to one doc and get a script for 100mg/wk, then buy another 900mg on the black market, but wave around the script thinking it will protect them.  Illegal.

3) They actually find a doctor who will prescribe 1000mg/wk.  This is highly unlikely, as no doctor is going to risk his medical license to prescribe illegal amounts.  But, since there is no recognised medical protocol for prescribing anywhere near that much test, if a doctor does it for recreational/sports performance reasons that makes the script not legally valid, which makes posession of the meds illegal as well.


Whichever of the three methods the "I have a script" guy employs, he's still breaking the law, whether he's getting away with it or not.



There is one legal way to do IFBB-pro level drugs:   Live in San Diego, drive to TJ a few times a week, and inject over there carrying nothing back across.  Not the smartest way to go about it, but you wouldn't be breaking US law.

[Van_Bilderass]

Which means he's breaking the law...  doctor shopping is illegal.  Really, there's no way to legally do the dosages IFBB pros have to in order to compete.  These guys that say they "have a script" are still breaking the law.  The most a doc can really prescribe for HRT purposes is 100mg-200mg/wk or so, if you can even find one who will give you injectible test instead of androgel, so these guys are doing one of three things:

1) Doctor shopping - 10 docs giving a 100mg/wk script for 1000mg/wk total.  Illegal.

2) They go to one doc and get a script for 100mg/wk, then buy another 900mg on the black market, but wave around the script thinking it will protect them.  Illegal.

3) They actually find a doctor who will prescribe 1000mg/wk.  This is highly unlikely, as no doctor is going to risk his medical license to prescribe illegal amounts.  But, since there is no recognised medical protocol for prescribing anywhere near that much test, if a doctor does it for recreational/sports performance reasons that makes the script not legally valid, which makes posession of the meds illegal as well.


Whichever of the three methods the "I have a script" guy employs, he's still breaking the law, whether he's getting away with it or not.



There is one legal way to do IFBB-pro level drugs:   Live in San Diego, drive to TJ a few times a week, and inject over there carrying nothing back across.  Not the smartest way to go about it, but you wouldn't be breaking US law.

I agree with all of this.

[io856]

That would mean Bob Chic only uses Test

[New Hank Wood]

Bob is not going to come on this board and openly declare his use of steroids.  That  would be foolish.  He has a family and career to protect.


The argument is not whether Bob 'uses' or 'doesn't use'.  It is obvious from his appearance that he has been a long term steroid user. 

Bob's whole lifestyle and career has been built around these substances.  He is not going to 'roll over' and declare to the world; ''I am a drug cheat, test me and then send me to prison.''

[dearth]

It's as good for BB as it is for any other sport..
Based on the wishful assumption that drug use/abuse is as prevalant in other sports as it is in bodybuilding.
This type of reasoning is typical of a someone justfying their own drug use for bodybuilding.

Don't have to lie to anyone, why would I?
Only you can answer that one chick, why would you lie to your mom if she asked if you used steroids?
I have no illegal drug use.
OK, so were all all the steroids you took in your career legally obtained ? note - remember Chick you said "Don't have to lie to anyone, why would I?"



You're still a moron
You still perpetuate the juicehead stereotype, that is unfortunately keeping the sport down the toilet

[candidizzle]

dearth, why dont you think chick 's mom knows he uses steroids?

[THEBOSS]

  fuck it ! if the liver doesnt quiver and the bladder doesnt splatter ? increase the dosage cause it really doesnt matter ! cheers !

[New Hank Wood]

This is not rocket science.  What part of 'Pro Bodybuilders use steroids'  don't you understand?

Chick has always been vague and indirect when confronted with questions regarding his steroid abuse.  And why shouldn't he be?  Being honest in this case, is admitting you are breaking the law!

For Christ sake, look at Chick's physique, does it look natural to you? He is all drugs.  So what.

Chick fits the profile of a steroid user. That is, he never excelled at anything, has average intelligence and has never come to terms with his self loathing issues.  Steroids fill the void for these insecure-type-personalities!

[G o a t b o y]

Chick has always been vague and indirect when confronted with questions regarding his steroid abuse.  And why shouldn't he be?  Being honest in this case, is admitting you are breaking the law!

No, Bob has explicitly stated that he doesn't break the law.  That's different than just being evasive.

[G o a t b o y]

Bob is not going to come on this board and openly declare his use of steroids.  That  would be foolish.  He has a family and career to protect.


The argument is not whether Bob 'uses' or 'doesn't use'.  It is obvious from his appearance that he has been a long term steroid user. 

Bob's whole lifestyle and career has been built around these substances.  He is not going to 'roll over' and declare to the world; ''I am a drug cheat, test me and then send me to prison.''

No one expects him to admit it, but he's gone further...  he's denied it (using substances in violation of the law):

Don't have to lie to anyone, why would I?

I have no illegal drug use.

[Chick]

This is not rocket science.  What part of 'Pro Bodybuilders use steroids'  don't you understand?

Chick has always been vague and indirect when confronted with questions regarding his steroid abuse.  And why shouldn't he be?  Being honest in this case, is admitting you are breaking the law!

For Christ sake, look at Chick's physique, does it look natural to you? He is all drugs.  So what.

Chick fits the profile of a steroid user. That is, he never excelled at anything, has average intelligence and has never come to terms with his self loathing issues.  Steroids fill the void for these insecure-type-personalities!

Couldn't have painted me more wrong if you tried....I've excelled in anything I've ever done, especialy any sport I've ever played. As for being self loathing and insecure...LOL...you've got the wrong guy. I didn't start BB to overcome any insecurity, or was getting beat up by girls, etc...I was already a top athlete in wrestling, baseball, football and bowling.

[Chick]

No one expects him to admit it, but he's gone further...  he's denied it (using substances in violation of the law):

You are correct, sir.

If you can prove any different, knock yourself out trying....

[G o a t b o y]

Chick fits the profile of a steroid user. That is, he never excelled at anything, has average below average intelligence and has never come to terms with his self loathing issues.  Steroids fill the void for these insecure-type-personalities!

fixed 

[G o a t b o y]

You are correct, sir.

If you can prove any different, knock yourself out trying....

Again, congratulations on being the only 100% natural IFBB pro. 

[Moosejay]

fuck it ! if the liver doesnt quiver and the bladder doesnt splatter ? increase the dosage cause it really doesnt matter ! cheers !

haha.,..I don't agree, but that little ditty is kinda funny!

[Moosejay]

Couldn't have painted me more wrong if you tried....I've excelled in anything I've ever done, especialy any sport I've ever played. As for being self loathing and insecure...LOL...you've got the wrong guy. I didn't start BB to overcome any insecurity, or was getting beat up by girls, etc...I was already a top athlete in wrestling, baseball, football and bowling.

Bowling...I have a patient who is 18 and has bowled 8- 300 games and just got a bowling schoilarship for college, of all things!

[Chick]

Again, congratulations on being the only 100% natural IFBB pro. 

Please show me the post where that is claimed....we'll wait.

[New Hank Wood]

The 'Basile response' will be coming soon.

My bet, his next post will be around 200 words. There will definitely be an attack on Bob in there.

Waiting to see if he discusses one of these issues;

                                   Steve Reeves physique,
                                   Meeting Arnold,
                                   Paul Graham's criminal history,
                                   Hypertrophy principles,
                                   His high intellect,
                                   Hatred of the flotsam,
                                   His engineering of innovative gym equipment,
                                   His D-bol usage,

[G o a t b o y]

Please show me the post where that is claimed....we'll wait.

You made the following claim:

I have no illegal drug use.

Since it is not possible in the US to legally take the drugs required for IFBB competition at the dosages required, either your above statement is a lie, or you're the IFBB's first pro who does not use these substances.   Which is it?

[Meltdown]

Chick and BB is built on lies.He says he never broke any laws with his Drug use.FFS check the IFBB Drug Rule it says No banned substances to be used and then goes on to name them and other Drugs.Now if you have ever used one Fukin Drug on that IFBB list you and most Pros have broken IFBB law.Steroid use is Fukin ILLEGAL in Sport.So I guess everyone is Fukin Right BB is NOT a SPORT.

[Vince B]

Steroids became illegal in Australia because doctors can not give medical drugs to healthy people. Doctors were also obtaining vet drugs for 'patients' which is totally against medical practices. Doctors cannot prescribe or administer drugs meant for animals to humans. The amusing thing was that bodybuilders were telling the good doctor which drugs to get for them!

We are waiting for Bob Chick to step up and be a man. What drugs did you take to prepare for the Masters Olympia in 2006? How did you qualify to receive these drugs?

I think Goatboy hit the nail on the head when he said the lads drive to TJ and get 'treatments' there. The only other solution is to get a mate to obtain gear for you.

Milos denied being a dealer on this discussion board but hinted that he was a special case and qualified to get bodybuilding drugs from doctors. It would be enlightening to know why he qualifies.

BTW, I agree with Hank's assessment of Chick's personality and capacities. Very perceptive.

[New Hank Wood]

Bodybuilding is a physique-pageant not a sport.  It is purely subjective, based entirely on a judges view as to what they perceive as aesthetic.

That is why the 'nit picking' that goes on in this pageant is just so meaningless.

Look, Bodybuilding will never be taken seriously because of the fact that most people find steroided bodies to be hideous.  The public are just not interested in viewing these freaks and for that reason alone, the mainstream media wont go near it!

Bodybuilding is where it belongs.  It will remain underground, appealing only to the homosexuals, freaks, losers and the insecure.

[Meltdown]

We all know steroids are Illegal but if you are an IFBB Pro they the IFBB REWARD you for your use and Abuse of all banned substances with Money and Sponsorship.And you say you don't have a story for the Media Vince.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm .Doesn't seem right to me while other sports frown on Drug use the IFBB applaud it.