Does Obama favor an all-out ban on handguns?

[Decker]

It sure the hell is. Your words:

"The court has used the following principle from the 1939 case US v. Miller:  "...that the individual's right to bear arms applies only to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected. Therefore, there is no constitutional impediment to the regulation of firearmsWould ANYONE reading the above, in quotes no less, who didn't know better, not read that as a direct quote from the Miller case? ."

All the federal courts up until 1990 something understood it my way.  The ABA understands it my way.  But you don't.

You want Black Letter Law where there is none.  That's not my problem.  That's your problem.  And now that we have a right-wing activist supreme court, you will get your individual right to carry a gun even though that contravenes 70 years of caselaw.

Translated, you fabricated a quote and are now busted. You assumed I would not check it and or know it off hand. You were wrong.You lied, and were nailed, which confirms you are intellectually dishonest, and thus not worthy of objective debate on the topic as you are willing to fabricate/lie to support a position.

Go.  Run away crying, "you're a liar"...

I suppose all the cases subsequent the Miller case that came to the same conclusion that I showed you--all those judges were lying or wrong or whatever the hell it is you are trying to say.

You are the one that pulled your misunderstood definition of militia out and now you run... or stay and look at this again:

"In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument."

I see a two part test re the reasonable relationship of the legislation to the matter at hand: 1. concerns the weapon itself and 2. concerns the weapon holder.  Was the weapon the kind related to a well-regulated militia and was the weaponholder related to a well-regulated militia.

[Decker]

Why, you gonna fabricate another quote for him too? Here's my quote:

"Every American should have a LAW Rocket under their pillow" - George Washington. Hey, as long as we are fabricating quotes....

Oooh you got me shaking in my boots little lady.

It seems painfully obvious that you don't understand the meaning of the word "fabricated".

Just like you don't understand what "militia" means. 

[www.BrinkZone.com]

All the federal courts up until 1990 something understood it my way.

You lied and were busted, and are not man enough (read have the balls) to fess up to it, and attempt the back peddle and diversions. Nice try, will not fly. As for the rest, once I have shown a person to be so dishonest in a debate, they have lost all credibility, as you have. When they turnout to not even have the nads to admit it, and take their lumps like a man, there is no reason to continue.

[www.BrinkZone.com]

It seems painfully obvious that you don't understand the meaning of the word "fabricated".

From Dictionary.com

fab·ri·cate     

–verb (used with object), -cat·ed, -cat·ing.

1.   to make by art or skill and labor; construct: The finest craftspeople fabricated this clock.
2.   to make by assembling parts or sections.
3.   to devise or invent (a legend, lie, etc.).
4.   to fake; forge (a document, signature, etc.).

You know, kinda what you did....

[Decker]

You lied and were busted, and are not man enough (read have the balls) to fess up to it, and attempt the back peddle and diversions. Nice try, will not fly. As for the rest, once I have shown a person to be so dishonest in a debate, they have lost all credibility, as you have. When they turnout to not even have the nads to admit it, and take their lumps like a man, there is no reason to continue. Me win, you lose, and that's here for all to see. 

Run away little girl.  Liar.....waaahhhh.

Or wrap your mind around the notion that the principal of judicial interpretation of the 2nd A issues from the Miller 2 prong test.

But why waste my time?  We have an 'expert' like you here. 

[Decker]

From Dictionary.com

fab·ri·cate     

–verb (used with object), -cat·ed, -cat·ing.

1.   to make by art or skill and labor; construct: The finest craftspeople fabricated this clock.
2.   to make by assembling parts or sections.
3.   to devise or invent (a legend, lie, etc.).
4.   to fake; forge (a document, signature, etc.).

You know, kinda what you did....

Yeah, what I did. 

What did I fabricate?

[w8tlftr]

What exactly is a president supposed to do if municipalities want to ban handguns?  Sounds like a States' rights issue to me.

I don't see anything in your catalog that shows Obama wants to ban handguns.  Seems like he's been consistent on the issue--some regulation is his way of dealing with guns and gun problems.

What if the states are in violation of our Constitutional rights? Shouldn't the President (and all politicians) put the Constitution put first? Isn't it his sworn duty to uphold it?

The ruling this summer by the Supreme Court over Washington DC's handgun ban will be interesting. From what I've read it does not look well for the district. 

[www.BrinkZone.com]

Run away little girl.  Liar.....waaahhhh.

Or wrap your mind around the notion that the principal of judicial interpretation

Translated: you invented a quote that does not exist (or at least have yet to give the correct citation for it where it does appear), applied to a case it is not found in, and got nailed hard for doing it. A proff for example wold give you an F for such a thing once he discovered it "But professor, that was my judicial interpretation!" Right....

An editor would reject it once the lie was discovered, etc, etc. Invented quotes/citations don't go over real well with honest people.

But why waste my time?  We have an 'expert' like you here.

(1) compared to you, I am an expert. That much is clear.
(2) regardless, I am not a fabricator of quotes/citations and a liar.

[Decker]

What if the states are in violation of our Constitutional rights? Shouldn't the President (and all politicians) put the Constitution put first? Isn't it his sworn duty to uphold it?

The ruling this summer by the Supreme Court over Washington DC's handgun ban will be interesting. From what I've read it does not look well for the district. 

If there's a bona fide dispute over the matter (and no mootness of issue, issue is 'ripe', and the party's have standing), then the SCT can determine the issue.

I think the ban will be struck down.  I can't wait to read the opinion.  The states have a lot of latitude when it comes to legislating on behalf of the health and safety of its citizens.  So it'll be interesting to see how the reasoning breaks down.

[Decker]

Translated: you invented a quote that does not exist (or at least have yet to give the correct citation for it where it does appear), applied to a case it is not found in, and got nailed hard for doing it.

First of all, keep your perverse sexual dysfunctions over nailing to yourself.

Second, I can actually see what you mean.  I wasn't quoting the holding of the case, I was quoting the principle of judicial interpretation of the Miller case as articulated by the ACLU but I didn't include the cite.  So I can see your beef. 

It doesn't change a thing on the substantive issue at hand.  The statement was and is true.   The courts have held that way under that principle.

I'll admit that I should have cited my source but that doesn't change the conclusion You're still a loser in this debate.

[Benny B]

Absolutely, but I don't need to see that to already know he's anti gun rights, anti 2A, and anti self defense. For example, he proposes a total ban on CCW. Moron.

Will,

Why don't you take your guns and volunteer to fight in the "War on Terror" in Iraq? 
idiot

[headhuntersix]

What the hell has that got to do with the 2nd Amendment and gun rights..ur wonderful little communist candidate not looking so good now...poor Obama getting a liitle worried over all the horsehit piled up in his past. If he hates gun, say he hates guns and move on.

[www.BrinkZone.com]

First of all, keep your perverse sexual dysfunctions over nailing to yourself.

Second, I can actually see what you mean.  I wasn't quoting the holding of the case, I was quoting the principle of judicial interpretation of the Miller case as articulated by the ACLU but I didn't include the cite.  So I can see your beef.

Ah, finally an admission of the source for the quote, and from the ever objective ACLU no less! Thanx for at least stepping up and clarifying that. It was am amazingly dishonest thing for you to do in the first place, but I give you the credit for finally fessing up.

It doesn't change a thing on the substantive issue at hand.  The statement was and is true.   The courts have held that way under that principle.

100% false, unless you wish to do some more creative legal "interpretations" of yours...

I'll admit that I should have cited my source but that doesn't change the conclusion You're still a loser in this debate.

As I said, you lost any credibility a long time ago.











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[Benny B]

What the hell has that got to do with the 2nd Amendment and gun rights..ur wonderful little communist candidate not looking so good now...poor Obama getting a liitle worried over all the horsehit piled up in his past. If he hates gun, say he hates guns and move on.

Comedy classic! 

Obama is now a communist? I guess that is the type of campaign we can expect your hero John McCain to run. What "horseshit" is piled up in his past, my dumb little friend?  Despite the desperate attempts to sling mud, Obama flicks it off his shoulders and the poll numbers hold steady.

[Benny B]

As I said, you lost any credibility a long time ago.

You lost all credibility in your first post.

[headhuntersix]

Comedy classic! 

Obama is now a communist? I guess that is the type of campaign we can expect your hero John McCain to run. What "horseshit" is piled up in his past, my dumb little friend?  Despite the desperate attempts to sling mud, Obama flicks it off his shoulders and the poll numbers hold steady.

No actually they're not..I'm not a Mccain fan (for the nine billionth time) Ur so naive  and blind to the bullshit behind Obama. Obama has been whining for days about the debate. I'm sure he'll get nominated...once agin the Dems have been blinded by the Bush hate to nominate somebody who can win. U idiots have allowed ur party to be hijacked by the far left....

[w8tlftr]

If there's a bona fide dispute over the matter (and no mootness of issue, issue is 'ripe', and the party's have standing), then the SCT can determine the issue.

I think the ban will be struck down.  I can't wait to read the opinion.  The states have a lot of latitude when it comes to legislating on behalf of the health and safety of its citizens.  So it'll be interesting to see how the reasoning breaks down.

No doubt that it's gonna be a decision that has massive ripple effects through out the country.

[headhuntersix]

Decker whats ur thought on suing gun makers....

[Benny B]

No actually they're not..I'm not a Mccain fan (for the nine billionth time) Ur so naive  and blind to the bullshit behind Obama. Obama has been whining for days about the debate. I'm sure he'll get nominated...once agin the Dems have been blinded by the Bush hate to nominate somebody who can win. U idiots have allowed ur party to be hijacked by the far left....

Obama has not been "whining", you moron. He has been saying what I and millions of other people felt while watching that "debate". "What have all these nonsensical topics have to do with anything of importance? We have food shortages worldwide, global warming, a declining education system, and the moderators want to spend 45 minutes talking about this crap? Give me a break."

So are you planning to sit at home with your thumb up your butt on election day, hh6?

[Decker]

Decker whats ur thought on suing gun makers....

I haven't thought about it really.  If the gun was made in a negligent/defective way I would.  But not if a gun was used to kill a loved by the act of an unrelated 3rd party.

What are your thoughts?

[w8tlftr]

I haven't thought about it really.  If the gun was made in a negligent/defective way I would.  But not if a gun was used to kill a loved by the act of an unrelated 3rd party.

What are your thoughts?

Suing gun manufacturers for homicides makes as much sense as suing automobile manufacturers for people that drink and drive.

[Decker]

Suing gun manufacturers for homicides makes as much sense as suing automobile manufacturers for people that drink and drive.

Exactly.

[headhuntersix]

Nope voting for Mccain...can't let the country go to the socialists. Dude, its about his character...its about being able to answer a question wiuthout notes. How many people have u prepared for press conferences, its one of things I do. Obama is horrible without notes or a telepromter. He's been lit up on the Sunday shows...all his stupid remarks have come from off the cuff remarks. He didn't need to answer those questions but he did and he looked like an idiot. His people should have seen all of that coming and prepared him with his standard messages.

As far a s character...the damm president should be proud of America....not have associations with America haters or former terrorists. The fact that those questions needed to be asked should disqualify this guy.

[headhuntersix]

I feel as u do....but let me play devils advocate. The guns I own can't be used for hunting. They are for home defense etc but their purpose is to kill another human being. A lawyer could not even make the argument that they can be used to wound as .45 will fuck ur day up...along with a shotgun with buck/slug/buck/slug/slug loaded into it. So unlike a car which is ment at transportation, these guns are ment to kill. I think the law needs to be defined and then the issue dropped. I think suing is ridiculous also but this is the rational that has been used to bring suits.

[Benny B]

Nope voting for Mccain...can't let the country go to the socialists. Dude, its about his character...its about being able to answer a question wiuthout notes. How many people have u prepared for press conferences, its one of things I do. Obama is horrible without notes or a telepromter. He's been lit up on the Sunday shows...all his stupid remarks have come from off the cuff remarks. He didn't need to answer those questions but he did and he looked like an idiot. His people should have seen all of that coming and prepared him with his standard messages.

As far a s character...the damm president should be proud of America....not have associations with America haters or former terrorists. The fact that those questions needed to be asked should disqualify this guy.

Obama speaks ALL THE TIME without prepared text. You are a moron. McCain can't get his facts straight without prepared notes. He is terrible.

Obama is as proud as anyone of America. Who are you to question someone's patriotism? It's right-wing morons who would make me sick to my stomach if I actually allowed you to. You are a walking stereotype.  Take your pseudo patriotism and shove it up your ass.