Science Explains Rickson Gracie.

[BDsauce]

I'm a fan of Hickson as well, dude was the best on the ground but I think Sak would've beaten him. The Gracies never had Sak in trouble ever in those fights. Sak straight up clowned them and he beat Hoyce under his chosen rules and made him quit, he leg kicked Hoyler and Vitor to death, he popped Henzo's elbow with that kimura and he spanked Hyan.

Hickson was up there in age already, so who could blame him for not taking a fight with Sak. I bet when Wand mauled Sak the Gracies were some happy people.

[Thin Lizzy]

How is the "Terror" feeling.  I noticed he used the half guard "lockdown." 

Haven't seen Matt.

He was going for the sweep where you lockdown the trapped leg and hook your arm underneath the free leg, then, roll your opponent over, but, GSPs base was too good.

[americanbulldog]

Haven't seen Matt.

He was going for the sweep where you lockdown the trapped leg and hook your arm underneath the free leg, then, roll your opponent over, but, GSPs base was too good.

Are you talking about the "electric chair?"  My coach hates Eddie Bravo lingo. 

[Thin Lizzy]

Are you talking about the "electric chair?"  My coach hates Eddie Bravo lingo. 

Yeah. That's it. You roll to the side of the locked leg.

[onlyme]

Jeez you would think if you guys knew the history of the Gracies you could at least spell their names right and say them correctly.  And I killed Rickson

[americanbulldog]

Jeez you would think if you guys knew the history of the Gracies you could at least spell their names right and say them correctly.  And I killed Rickson

Who's Rixson?  I tapped to him in 23 seconds by armbar that was set up by a triangle, then omoplata.  When I rolled out of the omoplata, I realised he set me up.  Second shot I had at him, he EASILY took my back and mata leao'd me. 

[Logan32]

  Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig ht...and your opinion is not stupid because? The best MMA fighters are Brazilian and European. the Americans, like Chuck Liddel and Randy Couture are second-tier by World standards. I hope you understand that.

Really fighters like BJ Penn and Matt Hughes are 2nd tier fighters.... Everyone has there opinion but I have yet to see a Brazillian or a European fighter beat Liddell. And although he is not American he is North American Georges St Pierre is neither Brazillian or European. Also if I am not mistaken last time Royce steped into the Octagon he was demolished by Hughes. 

By no means am I saying Brazil and Europe do not have top tier fighters but to say North America only has 2nd tier fighters is a pretty ignorant statement.

Anyway we all have our opinions and as with anything else if that is your opinion then more power to you.

[CigaretteMan]

By no means am I saying Brazil and Europe do not have top tier fighters but to say North America only has 2nd tier fighters is a pretty ignorant statement.

  Most of the really top fighters are Brazilian and European(Minotauro, Wand Silva, Pedro Riso, Cropcop, Fedor, etc). Lidell and Couture are second-tier fighters by World standards.

[CigaretteMan]

Hickson was a smart man, he wanted no part of Sak. Hoyce,Hoyler,Hyan Henzo and Vitor Gracie were all embarrassed by Sak. It wasnt close, knowing this Hickson felt he couldnt win.

Remember Sak was a bad bad man back then.....dude fought to a draw with a PRIME Igor before retiring due to that long ass fight with Hoyce.

  Lol...this post is embarassing beyond mere words. Sakuraba defeating Rickson? Rickson could defeat him while fighting with one arm broken and with only one eye open. Please, Sakuraba is nothign next to Rickson. a prime Rickson would be a match for and arguably defeat Fedor, and you claim Sakuraba would defeat him? Please.

[americanbulldog]

  Lol...this post is embarassing beyond mere words. Sakuraba defeating Rickson? Rickson could defeat him while fighting with one arm broken and with only one eye open. Please, Sakuraba is nothign next to Rickson. a prime Rickson would be a match for and arguably defeat Fedor, and you claim Sakuraba would defeat him? Please.

Uh NO.  Rickson would get pounded by Fedor.  Nog has a much more active guard, and Fedor punished him from top.  Fedor has better hands, wrestling.  If Rickson got top, he could do some damage against Fedor.  And Rickson had a chance to fight Ze Saku, but deigned not to because as he put it, "He has no aura."  He chose to fight Mas Funaki (who did have aura, I guess).  This coming from a Gracie jock rider who trains at a Relson academy.  Kron looks to be the real deal, I am glad he finally got his BB and won't be sand bagging at this years Mundials. 

[CigaretteMan]

Uh NO.  Rickson would get pounded by Fedor.  Nog has a much more active guard, and Fedor punished him from top.  Fedor has better hands, wrestling.  If Rickson got top, he could do some damage against Fedor.  And Rickson had a chance to fight Ze Saku, but deigned not to because as he put it, "He has no aura."  He chose to fight Mas Funaki (who did have aura, I guess).  This coming from a Gracie jock rider who trains at a Relson academy.  Kron looks to be the real deal, I am glad he finally got his BB and won't be sand bagging at this years Mundials. 

  You are out of you mind, sport. You are talking about Rickson Gracie.

[americanbulldog]

  You are out of you mind, sport. You are talking about Rickson Gracie.

11-0 against some real top notch competition.   No Bas (he called out Rickson as well), no Igor, no Mo Smith, no Coleman, or Kerr.  He is by far, the best sport jiujitsu practicioner, but MMA? 

Just for you, Rickson by armbar. 

[CigaretteMan]

11-0 against some real top notch competition.   No Bas (he called out Rickson as well), no Igor, no Mo Smith, no Coleman, or Kerr.  He is by far, the best sport jiujitsu practicioner, but MMA? 

Just for you, Rickson by armbar. 

  Yes, this is the classical excuse: that none of his competitors were great. The last time I checked, all the fighters he defeated had to work to reach that level. It's not like the promotors arranged matches for him against street thugs or bar brawlers. The guys who Rickson defeated were legends in Japan.

  And what has the fact that Bas Rutten challenged Rickson and he declined have to do with anything? Rutten has to prove himself before he can challenge the god of the tatame! Rickson has already said that he is willing to fight Sakuraba. How about that?! Wanderlei has sparred on the ground with Rickson and said that he would absolutely demolish anyone. And as you probably know, Wanderlei is the guy who destroyed Clinton "Rampage" Jackson with ease, and left Sakuraba half dead several times. Rickson could probably be defeated now because he's almost 50, but a prime Rickson destroys anyone, as the BBC documentary shows. Quoting myself again, 90% of these fights end on the ground, and Rickson is unmatched there. The only way I can see Rickson losing is if his opponent manages to lend a lucky punch on his chin. Face it, dude: Rickson is the greatest ever.

 

[rccs]

  This is a video which finally explains scientifically, from an anatomical and mechanicistic perspective why Rickson Gracie is as great a fighter as he is.

  For the few of you who might not know, Rickson Gracie is a jiu-jitsu and MMA fighter who is arguably the greatest of all times. He holds a record of 460 professional wins against bxers, kickboxers, kung-fu masters, karate champions, etc, with no losses. Enjoy.

  www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toq1EUuModo&feature=related

Fedor, Mirko or Le Banner would wipe this guys ass...

[americanbulldog]

  Yes, this is the classical excuse: that none of his competitors were great. The last time I checked, all the fighters he defeated had to work to reach that level. It's not like the promotors arranged matches for him against street thugs or bar brawlers. The guys who Rickson defeated were legends in Japan.

  And what has the fact that Bas Rutten challenged Rickson and he declined have to do with anything? Rutten has to prove himself before he can challenge the god of the tatame! Rickson has already said that he is willing to fight Sakuraba. How about that?! Wanderlei has sparred on the ground with Rickson and said that he would absolutely demolish anyone. And as you probably know, Wanderlei is the guy who destroyed Clinton "Rampage" Jackson with ease, and left Sakuraba half dead several times. Rickson could probably be defeated now because he's almost 50, but a prime Rickson destroys anyone, as the BBC documentary shows. Quoting myself again, 90% of these fights end on the ground, and Rickson is unmatched there. The only way I can see Rickson losing is if his opponent manages to lend a lucky punch on his chin. Face it, dude: Rickson is the greatest ever.

 

Legends? 

 Win Masakatsu Funaki Technical Submission (Rear Naked Choke) C2K - Colosseum 2000 5/26/2000 1 12:49 
 Win Nobuhiko Takada Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 4 - PRIDE 4 10/11/1998 1 9:30 
 Win Nobuhiko Takada Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 1 - PRIDE 1 10/11/1997 1 4:47 
 Win Yuki Nakai Submission (Rear Naked Choke) VTJ 1995 - Vale Tudo Japan 1995 4/20/1995 1 6:22 
 Win Koichiro Kimura Submission (Rear Naked Choke) VTJ 1995 - Vale Tudo Japan 1995 4/20/1995 1 2:07 
 Win Yoshihisa Yamamoto Submission (Rear Naked Choke) VTJ 1995 - Vale Tudo Japan 1995 4/20/1995 3 3:49 
 Win Bud Smith Submission (Punches) VTJ 1994 - Vale Tudo Japan 1994 7/29/1994 1 0:39 
 Win David Levicki Submission (Punches) VTJ 1994 - Vale Tudo Japan 1994 7/29/1994 1 2:40 
 Win Yoshinori Nishi Submission (Rear Naked Choke) VTJ 1994 - Vale Tudo Japan 1994 7/29/1994 1 2:52 
 Win Rei Zulu Submission (Rear Naked Choke) IE - Independent Event 1/1/1984 1 
 Win Rei Zulu Submission (Rear Naked Choke) IE - Independent Event 4/25/1980 1 11:55 

Other than Yuki Nakai and Mas Funaki, who is a legend?  Nakai is much smaller than Rickson, and had his eye permanently damaged by Gordeau before his fight with Rickson.  Bud Smith had NO GROUND game.  Wandy sparred with Rickson in JIUJITSU only.  Who is Clinton Jackson?  Rickson's wrestling isn't any where near the level of today's fighters so getting the fight to the ground wouldn't be as easy as you say.  Mas Funaki, who doesn't have that good a takedown defense, left a HUGE mouse on Rickson's eye before he was taken down.  Mas is 40+.  If he would fight Saku, why hasn't he already?  Why didn't he do it when he was offered to him by DSE?  He fought Takada AGAIN and Funaki.  He wanted no part of Ze Saku.  I am a student of a Gracie, and have the ultimate respect for Rickson, he tooled me EASILY in BJJ, but MMA isn't BJJ.  And Rickson is not a young man anymore.  On the mat, he is THE GOD, but BJJ is not MMA.  Otherwise Jacare, Marcelo would be undefeated.  After Bas last match in Pancrease, prior to him going to the UFC, he called out Rickson, who was in the audience.  Fight never happened.  BTW, this is Bas record. 

Win Ruben Villareal KO (Leg Kicks) WFA - King of the Streets 7/22/2006 1 3:24 
 Win Kevin Randleman Decision UFC 20 - Battle for the Gold 5/7/1999 1 21:00 
 Win Tsuyoshi Kohsaka KO UFC 18 - Road to the Heavyweight Title 1/8/1999 1 14:15 
 Win Kengo Watanabe TKO (Lost Points) Pancrase - 1998 Anniversary Show 9/14/1998 1 2:58 
 Win Keiichiro Yamamiya Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Pancrase - Alive 11 12/20/1997 1 4:58 
 Win Osami Shibuya Submission (Body Crunch) Pancrase - 1997 Anniversary Show 9/6/1997 1 3:15 
 Win Takaku Fuke Submission Pancrase - Alive 7 6/30/1997 1 4:28 
 Win Kiuma Kunioku Decision (Lost Points) Pancrase - Alive 4 4/27/1997 1 15:00 
 Draw Osami Shibuya Draw Pancrase - Alive 3 3/22/1997 1 15:00 
 Win Manabu Yamada Submission Pancrase - Truth 7 10/8/1996 1 0:54 
 Win Masakatsu Funaki TKO (Lost Points) Pancrase - 1996 Anniversary Show 9/7/1996 1 17:05 
 Win Jason Delucia TKO Pancrase - Truth 6 6/25/1996 1 8:48 
 Win Frank Shamrock TKO (Cut) Pancrase - Truth 5 5/16/1996 1 11:11 
 Win Katsuomi Inagaki TKO (Lost Points) Pancrase - Truth 4 4/8/1996 1 14:07 
 Win Guy Mezger Submission Pancrase - Truth 2 3/2/1996 1 19:36 
 Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Submission (Choke) Pancrase - Eyes Of Beast 7 12/14/1995 1 27:35 
 Win Maurice Smith Submission (Choke) Pancrase - Eyes Of Beast 6 11/4/1995 1 4:34 
 Win Minoru Suzuki Submission (Guillotine Choke) Pancrase - 1995 Anniversary Show 9/1/1995 1 15:35 
 Win Frank Shamrock Decision (Split) Pancrase - 1995 Neo-Blood Tournament, Round 2 7/23/1995 1 15:00 
 Win Jason Delucia Submission Pancrase - Eyes Of Beast 5 6/13/1995 1 1:32 
 Win Maurice Smith Submission (Kneebar) Pancrase - Eyes Of Beast 4 5/13/1995 1 2:10 
 Win Takaku Fuke Submission Pancrase - Eyes Of Beast 3 4/8/1995 1 1:52 
 Loss Ken Shamrock Submission (Kneebar) Pancrase - Eyes Of Beast 2 3/10/1995 1 1:01 
 Win Manabu Yamada TKO (Strikes) Pancrase - Eyes Of Beast 1 1/26/1995 1 1:05 
 Loss Frank Shamrock Decision (Majority) Pancrase - King of Pancrase Tournament, Round 1 12/16/1994 1 10:00 
 Win Jason Delucia Submission (Guillotine Choke) Pancrase - Road To The Championship 5 10/15/1994 1 1:43 
 Loss Ken Shamrock Submission Pancrase - Road To The Championship 3 7/26/1994 1 16:42 
 Win Minoru Suzuki KO Pancrase - Road To The Championship 2 7/6/1994 1 3:43 
 Win Yoshiki Takahashi TKO Pancrase - Road To The Championship 1 5/31/1994 1 1:37 
 Win Vernon White Submission Pancrase - Pancrash! 3 4/21/1994 1 1:16 
 Loss Masakatsu Funaki Submission (Toehold) Pancrase - Pancrash! 1 1/19/1994 1 2:58 
 Win Takaku Fuke KO Pancrase - Yes, We are Hybrid Wrestlers 2 10/14/1993 1 2:03 
 Win Ryushi Yanagisawa KO Pancrase - Yes, We are Hybrid Wrestlers 1 9/21/1993 1 0:43 

With wins over Suzuki, Funaki, Vernon White, FRANK SHAMROCK, Mo Smith, TK Kohsaka (who is the only man to beat Fedor), Bas has earned the right to fight Rickson, by far.  Why didn't Rickson fight Frank?  Because he is too much a threat to the veil of invinciblity that Rickson created, that is why. 
 
 
 

 
 
 

[americanbulldog]

Vanderlai on Rickson -

Tatame: The challenge you made to Rickson on Tatame TV was big news. Will it happen?

Vanderlei: The promoters will put up the money, but the guy (Rickson) will want to ask for 5 million US dollars... It won't be able to take place like that. He wants to make almost the same money as me (being sarcastic), the champion... To tell you the truth, I made the challange, but I know it won't happen. Mainly because he's at an advanced age. My only thing is with the comments he made. If he wanted, he could use his fame to help propel the sport, have an event, or maybe help promote the sport around the world. But instead he defames the athletes who are actually fighting, saying that the level of fighter is low and that Minotauro has no guard. That's absurd! Minotauro is part of vale-tudo history. The fight he had against Bob Sapp... what was that??? So, I feel that Rickson is living in a fantasy world, like Star Wars. The things he said left me upset, and I will always challenge anyone who talks bad about my sport.

Rickson talking mad crap about Fedor being average and how he is 100% sure he would beat him has brought him back into the limelight. 

[BDsauce]

All myth.

[americanbulldog]

All myth.

His jits is out of this world.  His MMA fighting ability, not so much.  Guys like Ricardo Liborio, Saulo and Xande Ribeiro, Leo Vierra respect his mat skills and praise how GREAT he is.  He definitely is in a different skillset level here.  But at 48, he wouldn't stand a chance against Fedor.