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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2008, 07:38:57 AM »
You won't find any Top NPC competitors because they are not stupid enough to throw away their goals of being an IFBB Pro for a "CHANCE" of winning a bike.


NPC athletes...you know the rules.  Don't screw them up with this guy.  Stay home and prepare for the USA and Nationals
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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2008, 08:58:10 AM »
until someone provides evidence of this, then these are just idle threats.  that the NPC has not made an official statement regarding entering the B&A contest, but instead uses surrogates in web forums only supports this.

Provides evidence to who? YOU?

Just because YOU'RE not privvy to such info doesn't mean it doesn't exsist..pretty pompous of you to think otherwise.

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2008, 09:09:52 AM »
It has been pointed out ad nasuem that this has not held true.



If you're a NPC amateur, you cannot compete for prize monies, etc.

Not sure where the confusiuon is....

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2008, 09:12:47 AM »
You won't find any Top NPC competitors because they are not stupid enough to throw away their goals of being an IFBB Pro for a "CHANCE" of winning a bike.


NPC athletes...you know the rules.  Don't screw them up with this guy.  Stay home and prepare for the USA and Nationals

Goodrum, you are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to bodybuilding, you don't have the chance to win a contest ever (unless you find one with NO competitors in your class).  If you really want to ruin this show, you should enter.  That would immediately make it a joke.  But there are a few problems for you.  You are NOT a bodybuilder, you do not have the money to enter, fly here, get a hotel.  And lastly you wouldn't be allowed to enter.  Hey maybe you can convince Uncle Bill's Fleamarket to put on a BB contest.  Looking at that event it looks like you will be the only person there.  So you could have your first win.  Go for it Vince. 

ask aaron baker.

maybe steve W will show up and yell at people like he did at the PDI show awhile ago.  Great representative...good job.

Weinberger doesn't have the balls to show up. 

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2008, 09:14:59 AM »
its pretty pompous/stupid to think anyone would beleive a lackey of Manion's who can't rebuke Tim's facts with his own (probably because they do not exist).


Provides evidence to who? YOU?

Just because YOU'RE not privvy to such info doesn't mean it doesn't exsist..pretty pompous of you to think otherwise.

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2008, 09:15:33 AM »
If you're a IFBB pro, you cannot compete in any non-sanctioned show.

If you're a NPC amateur, you cannot compete for prize monies, etc.

Not sure where the confusiuon is....

Well if this was the case then the NPC is run by a bunch of blind idiots (but we all know that already) cause then there would be not many NPC guys in Hawaii.   Honestly Chic, sometimes you just open your mouth prematurely. 

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2008, 09:19:02 AM »
Well if this was the case then the NPC is run by a bunch of blind idiots (but we all know that already) cause then there would be not many NPC guys in Hawaii.   Honestly Chic, sometimes you just open your mouth prematurely. 

Hawaii? What the hell does Hawaii have to do with anything?

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2008, 09:29:28 AM »
Goodrum, you are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to bodybuilding, you don't have the chance to win a contest ever (unless you find one with NO competitors in your class).  If you really want to ruin this show, you should enter.  That would immediately make it a joke.  But there are a few problems for you.  You are NOT a bodybuilder, you do not have the money to enter, fly here, get a hotel.  And lastly you wouldn't be allowed to enter.  Hey maybe you can convince Uncle Bill's Fleamarket to put on a BB contest.  Looking at that event it looks like you will be the only person there.  So you could have your first win.  Go for it Vince. 

Weinberger doesn't have the balls to show up. 


I would never lower myself to compete in a NON-SANCTIONED EVENT.  I may not be a top ranked NPC competitor but if I wish to move up, then I'm certainly not going to screw that up with this winner loses all event.

BTW, at least I CAN FIT ON AN AIRPLANE.  You couldn't get there without going by cargo ship and then a Super Huey
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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2008, 09:41:00 AM »
Bob wrote : "Not going to rehash this again...it does not "happen all the time"...and plenty have been suspended and had to sit out a year, write a letter to get back in, etc...."

Definitely true! I know for a fact that it happens. I've been involved. And I definitely agree Bob, it's none of our business unless you request that info from the NPC National Office. Not sure not that they'll release that info though. Privacy issues maybe.

And just because some of us are not privy to that info, does not mean it never happened.





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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2008, 09:47:15 AM »
Bob wrote : "Not going to rehash this again...it does not "happen all the time"...and plenty have been suspended and had to sit out a year, write a letter to get back in, etc...."

Definitely true! I know for a fact that it happens. I've been involved. And I definitely agree Bob, it's none of our business unless you request that info from the NPC National Office. Not sure not that they'll release that info though. Privacy issues maybe.

And just because some of us are not privy to that info, does not mean it never happened.






apparently, if Tim doesn't know it, it never happened.

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2008, 09:49:52 AM »
Hawaii? What the hell does Hawaii have to do with anything?

as was pointed out in the other thread, there was an NPC contest in Hawaii that offered prizes.

Provides evidence to who? YOU?

to the competitors being threatened.

You guys like to use the 'protect the privacy of the athlete' argument a lot.  that allows you to claim you're doing things when you're really not.  what other sport doesn't make public which athletes have been suspended?

Like with Team Universe.   if you don't lose your placing in the official results for failing the drug test, does it really qualify as a drug tested contest?

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2008, 09:52:23 AM »
as was pointed out in the other thread, there was an NPC contest in Hawaii that offered prizes.

to the competitors being threatened.

They can get answers to any questions thy might have via their district Chairmen, other than that, they can certainly contact the NPC office....I don't remember you being a part of either of those two, perhaps I'm mistaken....

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2008, 09:54:58 AM »
Provides evidence to who? YOU?

Just because YOU'RE not privvy to such info doesn't mean it doesn't exsist..pretty pompous of you to think otherwise.
if evidence exists why not just provide it?  why all hush hush about it? 

seems odd to me.

see a fire, put it out....don't throw gas on it.
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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2008, 10:00:24 AM »
if evidence exists why not just provide it?  why all hush hush about it? 

seems odd to me.

see a fire, put it out....don't throw gas on it.

Nobody is "hush" about it....If any of the athletes themselves wish to come forward and tell their tale, all the power to them. I'm sure the NPC odffice wil issue an official statement in due time....not my place or job.

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2008, 10:00:58 AM »
Hawaii? What the hell does Hawaii have to do with anything?

Cause just about every NPC competitor in Hawaii competed in the Harley Classic back in the 90's.  The winner got a custom Harley and then sold it for $18,000 I think.  He was an NPC member and even entered NPC contests after that as did everyone else.

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2008, 10:41:00 AM »
Nobody is "hush" about it....If any of the athletes themselves wish to come forward and tell their tale, all the power to them. I'm sure the NPC odffice wil issue an official statement in due time....not my place or job.

so it's not your place to comment for them but you'll come on here and argue with people about things that pertain to it?

chic.....you've done a good job promoting yourself and I think your a good rep for BB but sometimes I just shake my head at your logic.
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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2008, 10:41:37 AM »
Nobody is "hush" about it....If any of the athletes themselves wish to come forward and tell their tale, all the power to them. I'm sure the NPC odffice wil issue an official statement in due time....not my place or job.


my Attorneys can not wait for that letter,please send it out!!!!

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2008, 10:59:43 AM »
... sounds to good to be true

I'm with you.

To hell with this ridiculous bullshit debate over who's been suspended or who might be suspended, blah blah blah...

The only thing that matters is THE MONEY. 


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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2008, 11:01:41 AM »

my Attorneys can not wait for that letter,please send it out!!!!
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Ohhh boy.... i like this one haha.  Hope this is resolved soon....you might have a stacked national level competitor show! haha

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2008, 11:02:08 AM »
I'm with you.

To hell with this ridiculous bullshit debate over who's been suspended or who might be suspended, blah blah blah...

The only thing that matters is THE MONEY. 




Thank you Tre,
now we are talking!!!!


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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2008, 12:35:58 PM »

my Attorneys can not wait for that letter,please send it out!!!!

Well you just used a word "attorney" the IFBB or NPC does not ever want to see.  They have the worst legal representation you cold possibly have.  Have you seen the contracts they use.  They would never be able to hold up in court.  I have a feeling they both use Goodrums Pre-Paid Legal services.  Ben your attorney would have a field day on those morons they have.  The last thing the IFBB or NPC wants to do is end up in court. 

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2008, 01:11:50 PM »
scare tactics are great, because they can be based on BS and know one is the wiser, right chick?

Are you unable to address the facts, Chick?
just in case you missed it.

its pretty pompous/stupid to think anyone would beleive a lackey of Manion's who can't rebuke Tim's facts with his own (probably because they do not exist).


They can get answers to any questions thy might have via their district Chairmen, other than that, they can certainly contact the NPC office....I don't remember you being a part of either of those two, perhaps I'm mistaken....

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2008, 02:23:23 PM »
Here are some FACTS based on actual experience. No hear-say! No scuttlebutt! No water fountain rumors! No bull-shit!

The athletes who competed for "cash" awards in Hawaii many years ago were in fact banned from NPC membership for an undisclosed period of time, but only in those cases in which complaints were made by other NPC athletes.

Some unknown NPC athletes who were not a major threat to "complaining athletes" may possibly have slipped under or over  the "guarded gate", but the NPC does not actively patrol in any effort to ban any athlete for any reason unless a complaint is made by fellow athletes.

Second thought ..... No one wants a legal battle because in most cases, the only one who really wins are the participating attorneys.

In my own humble opinion, it might be best for the NPC to simply ignore competition from other bodybuilding organizations and continue to march with the present definition of the word "amateur" within their own affiliation without too much concern on how that term is used by others. Just don't recognize those athletes as "professional bodybuilders". Hell, you don't want to anyway.

Simply allow those athletes who have competed in outside organizations for "cash" awards" to continue to compete within the NPC with the understanding that they are no longer qualified to be considered for, nor to accept, an IFBB Pro Card regardless of how they place in an NPC qualifier.

This last statement is something to think about and could possibly be of benefit for all concerned. It might make more sense if you are familiar with the history of the NPC since its birth and a few years prior to that "blessed"event.

You guys would be in a MAJOR turmoil if we were still affiliated with the AAU.







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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2008, 02:53:08 PM »
Simply allow those athletes who have competed in outside organizations for "cash" awards" to continue to compete within the NPC with the understanding that they are no longer qualified to be considered for, nor to accept, an IFBB Pro Card regardless of how they place in an NPC qualifier.

so therefore, Stan McQuay should lose his pro status?   Shiloe Steinmetz should not be given a pro card if he wins TU?  Same with Dave Goodin and Dietrich Horsey?   Should all these pros now competing in TU be allowed to go on to the IFBB Worlds?

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Re: 13 weeks till the most rewarding Amateur Show in History!!!
« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2008, 03:07:13 PM »

As far as I know, the NPC *is* officially ignoring this event. 

Aside from a few wannabe watchdogs, is anyone else paying attention at all??

Good grief.

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