The B&A Show -

[onlyme]

I wonder if McDonalds thinks its "uncool" when burger king opens up a business right next store to them...Or do they just accept it and try to make there product better and stand out more

hahaha now that is a great comparison.  People or companies who are afraid of competition do what the IFBB and NPC does.  Can you imagine if every company acts like they do.  Imagine even TV God forbid a show goes up against another one to compete for the #1 spot.

[onlyme]

Which is exactly why you won't see this show around again. When your brother from anotha mutha, Shawn Ray, was giving away a H3 and going big with his show catering to the athletes you were all over him telling him how stupid he was. Now you're hugging this Ben's nuts like there is no tomorrow. You love to try and play both sides of the fence only trouble is you get caught trying to go back and forth.

Keith, at the Olympia a couple years ago you had a banner that said you're "a proud supporter of the NPC and IFBB". Since you have a gym opening up in Vegas and you care about the athletes will you be sponsoring both of these shows?

The difference is Ben is spending a lot of his own money.  Sean was spending other peoples money.  Sean bullshit his way into the sponsors pockets and when what he promised didn't happen and money was lost the sponsors pulled out.  Ben is funding a lot of the show himself and knows from the onset what it takes and the possible perils.  And again you are mistaking nuthugging (like you have to do with the IFBB) and supporting.  Two different things.  And I understand where you could get them confused.  You make a living and depend on the IFBB and BB shows so you have to be a guy.  I don't have to nuthug anyone cause I make my own decisions.  I have to listen to anyone but ME.  Big difference. 

And I will support both shows next year.  I have no problem with that.  I will probably sponsor Ben's in a bigger way though if he has it next year simply because he is providing a contest that will expand BB and make it fun for everyone.  No politics, no assholes just a show for bodybuilding and the fans. 

[dearth]

This thread so far:

1) Chick advises NPC competitors "don't do Ben's show, you will get banned!!"
2) Chick also claims he is not acting on the behalf of the NPC
3) Tim provides a lenthy list of competitors that contradicts Chicks claim
4) Confounded, Chick states the competitors listed aren't top 10 nationals levels competitors (depite Stan McQuay being one of them)
5) When asked for evidence of people being banned from the NPC for competing elsewher, Chick refuses to provide any claiming that he it isn't his place. Yet it is somehow his place to try and scare competitors from Bens show?
6) Further confounded at being owned again, Chick deflects his silence by imagining that Tim claimed to be an "NPC official" and asks him repeatedly to identify his role in the NPC.
7) chick is confused as to what his motivations for posting on the thread are... He wishes Ben well, yet tells people to not compete?

So your argument is based soley on your limited knowledge, no inside info, and being a self admitted outsider.....sounds credible to me.

stick to your website and updating files...

[Tre]

Our sponsors are very proud to be a part of Muscle Mansion 2008 and we are committed to ensuring they get their money's worth.

[ibfasport]

I will probably sponsor Ben's in a bigger way though if he has it next year simply because he is providing a contest that will expand BB and make it fun for everyone.  No politics, no assholes just a show for bodybuilding and the fans. 

you have said the truth

[Chick]

This thread so far:

1) Chick advises NPC competitors "don't do Ben's show, you will get banned!!"
2) Chick also claims he is not acting on the behalf of the NPC
3) Tim provides a lenthy list of competitors that contradicts Chicks claim
4) Confounded, Chick states the competitors listed aren't top 10 nationals levels competitors (depite Stan McQuay being one of them)
5) When asked for evidence of people being banned from the NPC for competing elsewher, Chick refuses to provide any claiming that he it isn't his place. Yet it is somehow his place to try and scare competitors from Bens show?
6) Further confounded at being owned again, Chick deflects his silence by imagining that Tim claimed to be an "NPC official" and asks him repeatedly to identify his role in the NPC.
7) chick is confused as to what his motivations for posting on the thread are... He wishes Ben well, yet tells people to not compete?

1) correct
2) correct again...I have no official capacity in the NPC
3) correct
4) incorrect. The point was made that none of the gentlemen listed (McQuay wasn't one of them) ended up placing in the top 10-15 of the national shows, thus, they certainly could have slipped in unnoticed as there is no "police squad" that goes around logging names.

5) incorrect again. Informing NPC atheltes with the facts is not trying to "scare" anyone. I know of many athletes that have been suspended, written letters, etc. and no, it's not my place to disclose that info. "Stuntmovie" verified the same thing, and has no horse in this race.....

6) incorrect again. I never said Tim claimed to be anything, least of all an official. I asked him in what capacity (official or otherwise) he was in that he would be privvy to any info on what action has taken place on any athlte he named....he answered it (eventually) that he is in no official capacity, and has no vested knowledge of what he's claiming...just his opinion.

7) incorrect again...I've never wished Ben anything but the best, and encourage all athletes wishing to compete to do so. My interests lie in educating the NPC members who may have been exposed to the incorrect information put out there initially....my stance has been the same since the first mention of this show.


Amazing how off you can be, and your skewed perception of the facts....

[dearth]

1) correct
2) correct again...I have no official capacity in the NPC
3) correct
4) incorrect. The point was made that none of the gentlemen listed (McQuay wasn't one of them) ended up placing in the top 10-15 of the national shows, thus, they certainly could have slipped in unnoticed as there is no "police squad" that goes around logging names.

No your point was that somehow the names didn’t matter due to some sort of criteria that exists only in Bob Chic’s head. I haven’t seen this criteria you speak of in any rulebook.

5) incorrect again. Informing NPC atheltes with the facts is not trying to "scare" anyone. I know of many athletes that have been suspended, written letters, etc. and no, it's not my place to disclose that info. "Stuntmovie" verified the same thing, and has no horse in this race.....

Your so-called facts have turned out to be nothing more than Bob’s story without proof. You have nothing to refute the names Tim mentioned, other than some asinine logic (surprise). Your presence on this thread is not for sake of benevolence, but a scare tactic by Manion’s little boy. For all I know “Stuntmovie” is another stooge just like you.

6) incorrect again. I never said Tim claimed to be anything, least of all an official. I asked him in what capacity (official or otherwise) he was in that he would be privvy to any info on what action has taken place on any athlte he named....he answered it (eventually) that he is in no official capacity, and has no vested knowledge of what he's claiming...just his opinion.

Tim never claimed to be an official, yet you somehow thought he had to be one to have knowledge of athletes contest records? More brilliant reasoning by one the IFBBs finest.
7) incorrect again...I've never wished Ben anything but the best, and encourage all athletes wishing to compete to do so. My interests lie in educating the NPC members who may have been exposed to the incorrect information put out there initially....my stance has been the same since the first mention of this show.

Your true intentions are that to put down any entity that is perceived a threat to the NPC. Hence your scare stories without evidence. Wishing Ben well is not only another little lie (gee, they add up don’t they Chick) it’s a slap in the face.

[Chick]

1) correct
2) correct again...I have no official capacity in the NPC
3) correct
4) incorrect. The point was made that none of the gentlemen listed (McQuay wasn't one of them) ended up placing in the top 10-15 of the national shows, thus, they certainly could have slipped in unnoticed as there is no "police squad" that goes around logging names.

No your point was that somehow the names didn’t matter due to some sort of criteria that exists only in Bob Chic’s head. I haven’t seen this criteria you speak of in any rulebook.
5) incorrect again. Informing NPC atheltes with the facts is not trying to "scare" anyone. I know of many athletes that have been suspended, written letters, etc. and no, it's not my place to disclose that info. "Stuntmovie" verified the same thing, and has no horse in this race.....

Your so-called facts have turned out to be nothing more than Bob’s story without proof. You have nothing to refute the names Tim mentioned, other than some asinine logic (surprise). Your presence on this thread is not for sake of benevolence, but a scare tactic by Manion’s little boy. For all I know “Stuntmovie” is another stooge just like you.
6) incorrect again. I never said Tim claimed to be anything, least of all an official. I asked him in what capacity (official or otherwise) he was in that he would be privvy to any info on what action has taken place on any athlte he named....he answered it (eventually) that he is in no official capacity, and has no vested knowledge of what he's claiming...just his opinion.

Tim never claimed to be an official, yet you somehow thought he had to be one to have knowledge of athletes contest records? More brilliant reasoning by one the IFBBs finest. 7) incorrect again...I've never wished Ben anything but the best, and encourage all athletes wishing to compete to do so. My interests lie in educating the NPC members who may have been exposed to the incorrect information put out there initially....my stance has been the same since the first mention of this show.

Your true intentions are that to put down any entity that is perceived a threat to the NPC. Hence your scare stories without evidence. Wishing Ben well is not only another little lie (gee, they add up don’t they Chick) it’s a slap in the face.

[Chick]

1) correct
2) correct again...I have no official capacity in the NPC
3) correct
4) incorrect. The point was made that none of the gentlemen listed (McQuay wasn't one of them) ended up placing in the top 10-15 of the national shows, thus, they certainly could have slipped in unnoticed as there is no "police squad" that goes around logging names.

No your point was that somehow the names didn’t matter due to some sort of criteria that exists only in Bob Chic’s head. I haven’t seen this criteria you speak of in any rulebook.
5) incorrect again. Informing NPC atheltes with the facts is not trying to "scare" anyone. I know of many athletes that have been suspended, written letters, etc. and no, it's not my place to disclose that info. "Stuntmovie" verified the same thing, and has no horse in this race.....

Your so-called facts have turned out to be nothing more than Bob’s story without proof. You have nothing to refute the names Tim mentioned, other than some asinine logic (surprise). Your presence on this thread is not for sake of benevolence, but a scare tactic by Manion’s little boy. For all I know “Stuntmovie” is another stooge just like you.
6) incorrect again. I never said Tim claimed to be anything, least of all an official. I asked him in what capacity (official or otherwise) he was in that he would be privvy to any info on what action has taken place on any athlte he named....he answered it (eventually) that he is in no official capacity, and has no vested knowledge of what he's claiming...just his opinion.

Tim never claimed to be an official, yet you somehow thought he had to be one to have knowledge of athletes contest records? More brilliant reasoning by one the IFBBs finest. 7) incorrect again...I've never wished Ben anything but the best, and encourage all athletes wishing to compete to do so. My interests lie in educating the NPC members who may have been exposed to the incorrect information put out there initially....my stance has been the same since the first mention of this show.

Your true intentions are that to put down any entity that is perceived a threat to the NPC. Hence your scare stories without evidence. Wishing Ben well is not only another little lie (gee, they add up don’t they Chick) it’s a slap in the face.

Their names wouldn't matter, as no one ould know what they've competed in....not that tough to figure out, at least not for anyone who can reason.

Tim has nothing except names of people that have competed in both....no facts to support HIS case. He has ZERO info onwhat the result was, on if any of these athletes had been given a suspension, or had to write a letter, etc.....

I know for fact this has happened, and would certainly again...

Stunt is a respected veteren of the irongame, and has no reason to lie....no one has questioned his facts, except you to try and make your lame point.

Tim is not an official, and has no more knowledge than anyone else with access to the internet....he would have no knowledge of any diciplinary action taken, and has conceeded as much....all he did was provide a list of names no one has ever heard of, without any subsequent explanation of any finding.

"Threat to the NPC"?? You must be joking.....this one show is about as much a threat to the NPC as the PDI was to the IFBB. There hasn't been a threat to the NPC since they took over amateur bb from the AAU back in the day.....

I wish Ben the best, because he'll need it and It's no skin off my ass no matter how well or not well he does.....

[Meltdown]

Fuk the IFBB must pay you well Bob to be here always flying the anti Drug flag the anti other shows flag.Will you have the same commitment when someone else takes over the Pro Reps job???Or is that job like all IFBB appointments FOR FUKIN LIFE.??.

[Chick]

Fuk the IFBB must pay you well Bob to be here always flying the anti Drug flag the anti other shows flag.Will you have the same commitment when someone else takes over the Pro Reps job???Or is that job like all IFBB appointments FOR FUKIN LIFE.??.

This isn't a IFBB matter, genius

[Meltdown]

Didn't know you were the NPC Rep.FFS NPC= IFBB = Jobs for life.

[onlyme]

Fuk the IFBB must pay you well Bob to be here always flying the anti Drug flag the anti other shows flag.Will you have the same commitment when someone else takes over the Pro Reps job???Or is that job like all IFBB appointments FOR FUKIN LIFE.??.

From what he said he doesn't get paid (in money), he doesn't even have an ifbb.com email address.  And yes he has been appointed for life or until Manion is gone, but since he appointed himself for life then Bob has a secured job (that pays no money) but has other benefits.  I wonder why the NPC or IFBB doesn't have an election every 4 years or something or do they.  Probably kind of like that election where Chic won the coveted position of IFBB rep

[Chick]

From what he said he doesn't get paid (in money), he doesn't even have an ifbb.com email address.  And yes he has been appointed for life or until Manion is gone, but since he appointed himself for life then Bob has a secured job (that pays no money) but has other benefits.  I wonder why the NPC or IFBB doesn't have an election every 4 years or something or do they.  Probably kind of like that election where Chic won the coveted position of IFBB rep

I told you Keith, anyone can challenge for the job at any time if they think they can represent better than I have.....more power to them.

[timfogarty]

all he did was provide a list of names no one has ever heard of, without any subsequent explanation of any finding.

I provided links showing their contest history, showing for some repeatedly going back and forth between pro and amateur, showing no 'sitting out a year'.    For some it was only months between competing in a contest with prizes and a national level NPC event.   Not much time for 'repeated petitioning to get back in the NPC'.

[dearth]

Their names wouldn't matter, as no one ould know what they've competed in....not that tough to figure out, at least not for anyone who can reason.

The names don’t matter unless the names exist in your imagination. Without naming names, you get your scare message across without actual proof. How convenient.
Tim has nothing except names of people that have competed in both....no facts to support HIS case. He has ZERO info onwhat the result was, on if any of these athletes had been given a suspension, or had to write a letter, etc.....

You made a claim. Tim called your BS with real examples. The only one with ZERO is you Chick. See above. BTW – Dave Goodin placed 2nd at the team universe. Does this qualify for the “on the radar according to Bob Chick” criteria for an NPC reprimand?

I know for fact this has happened, and would certainly again...

Stunt is a respected veteren of the irongame, and has no reason to lie....no one has questioned his facts, except you to try and make your lame point.

“respected veteran” according to who? You? when someone agrees with you they attain "respected veteran" status?

Tim is not an official, and has no more knowledge than anyone else with access to the internet....he would have no knowledge of any diciplinary action taken, and has conceeded as much....all he did was provide a list of names no one has ever heard of, without any subsequent explanation of any finding.

Just because you haven’t heard the names that means “no one” has heard of them? That is quite pompous of you Chick, no real surprise there.

This “disciplinary action” you keep talking of is nothing more than an idle threat. You seem unable to prove otherwise.


"Threat to the NPC"?? You must be joking.....this one show is about as much a threat to the NPC as the PDI was to the IFBB. There hasn't been a threat to the NPC since they took over amateur bb from the AAU back in the day.....

If that is what you truly believe then why are you on this thread?  The NPC itself is not officially concerned with this show, why are you? Even though you claim you aren’t acting on behalf of the NPC, it would seem as though Manion(or someone) has asked you to scare people away. Is this true?

I wish Ben the best, because he'll need it and It's no skin off my ass no matter how well or not well he does.....

Another genuine sounding lie by Chick.

[Howard]

Their names wouldn't matter, as no one ould know what they've competed in....not that tough to figure out, at least not for anyone who can reason.

Tim has nothing except names of people that have competed in both....no facts to support HIS case. He has ZERO info onwhat the result was, on if any of these athletes had been given a suspension, or had to write a letter, etc.....

I know for fact this has happened, and would certainly again...

Stunt is a respected veteren of the irongame, and has no reason to lie....no one has questioned his facts, except you to try and make your lame point.

Tim is not an official, and has no more knowledge than anyone else with access to the internet....he would have no knowledge of any diciplinary action taken, and has conceeded as much....all he did was provide a list of names no one has ever heard of, without any subsequent explanation of any finding.

"Threat to the NPC"?? You must be joking.....this one show is about as much a threat to the NPC as the PDI was to the IFBB. There hasn't been a threat to the NPC since they took over amateur bb from the AAU back in the day.....

I wish Ben the best, because he'll need it and It's no skin off my ass no matter how well or not well he does.....

I have rather simple take on all this:
If a bodybuilder or fitness babe is serious about a career in/around bodybuilding or in being a legit pro, they will set their sights on the NPC -USA and not be concerned with this other event.

Of course, some will decide to go for it and see it as a good deal. Kinda like Lee Priest and his trip over to that other pro BB organization....

[Chick]

I provided links showing their contest history, showing for some repeatedly going back and forth between pro and amateur, showing no 'sitting out a year'.    For some it was only months between competing in a contest with prizes and a national level NPC event.   Not much time for 'repeated petitioning to get back in the NPC'.

And I've said no less than 5 times now, I'm sure there are those who have flown under the radar....how would anyone know?

Is this hard to understand, or do you just not get it?

Again, for the last time...there is no task force, there is no one taking names. If you're looking for a job (which by the sounds of it, you could use one) I suggest you send a resume to the NPC office explaining these atrocities and offereing your expert services for pay.

[Chick]

You're needed at checkout counter #4....

Quit wasting my time arguing about matters you have no knowledge of.

[Howard]

And I've said no less than 5 times now, I'm sure there are those who have flown under the radar....how would anyone know?

Is this hard to understand, or do you just not get it?

Again, for the last time...there is no task force, there is no one taking names. If you're looking for a job (which by the sounds of it, you could use one) I suggest you send a resume to the NPC office explaining these atrocities and offereing your expert services for pay.

Bob, on another topic, when will the ticket sales be ready for the AUG pro BB weekly show in Tampa?

[Chick]

Bob, on another topic, when will the ticket sales be ready for the AUG pro BB weekly show in Tampa?

Contact Tim Gardner/ show promoter at:

tgflex@aol.com

[TooPowerful4u]

OK hypothetical......

If a competitor did get banned from the NPC for competing in the show, and they took it to court and stated that Stan Mcquay has done the same, yet later was rewarded a pro card by the NPC....what would happen?

[CQ]

Bannings seem arbitrary anyway, I know for a complete fact that an IFBB pro competed in a non sanctioned contest of another federation where she won a small amount of money, and then went right back to the IFBB pro level with no issue whatsoever. I assume this was due to the fact she was a low level pro, not American, and no one probably noticed.

Also, not referring to male bodybuilders as there is money to be made there, but one has to wonder from the female perspective. There is piss all money to be made anyway - check the prize money for many womens pro events, sums like $6,000 total. Ben's show is actually paying out more than most pro level shows do for women anyway. I have to laugh, as an an "amateur" I personally have won more money than most female pros will ever see anyway, as many places worldwide it's normal to win prize money as an amatuer. It's all good anyway, speaking from an international perspective, I am sure there are plenty of international folk who won't mind pocketing $10,000 while the NPC squabbles.

I think it is great Ben is offering a choice, and if NPC folk want to stick with that of course that is understandable, but never a need to down a man trying to uplift bodybuilding in general.

[Tre]

...never a need to down a man trying to uplift bodybuilding in general.

Agreed.

I'm skeptical about the money he's promising (but admittedly, I don't know his financial situation), but what you state above is what makes all the talking heads and naysayers look bad. 

[timfogarty]

If you're looking for a job (which by the sounds of it, you could use one) I suggest you send a resume to the NPC office explaining these atrocities and offereing your expert services for pay.

I'll offer my consulting services for free:  change the rule book to state "Anyone can compete in the NPC as long as they 1) pay the yearly dues, and 2) are not currently registered as an IFBB pro."  Get rid of all this "petitioning" to get back in the good graces of the NPC.