The B&A Show -

[timfogarty]

If a bodybuilder or fitness babe is serious about a career in/around bodybuilding or in being a legit pro, they will set their sights on the NPC -USA and not be concerned with this other event.

400 of the USA's best bodybuilders (?) will be entering the NPC USA.  4 will be offered pro cards for the IFBB.  Now are the other 396 completely delusional?  or are some of them in it just for the fun of the sport?   Most national level bodybuilders have no expectation of turning pro or making a career out of bodybuilding.  For them, the more contests the better.

[Tamer Razor]

400 of the USA's best bodybuilders (?) will be entering the NPC USA.  4 will be offered pro cards for the IFBB.  Now are the other 396 completely delusional?  or are some of them in it just for the fun of the sport?   Most national level bodybuilders have no expectation of turning pro or making a career out of bodybuilding.  For them, the more contests the better.

The NPC has the right to create any guide lines as it wishes. As it has been mentioned, it is not a sport federation. In the same way competitors have the right to make their choice. If you don't like the the NPC or IFBB... simple create your own organization or join other. To the majority that enjoy the many shows, recognition and opportunities that NPC/IFBB provide just got to follow the rules. It is just like any other company

[240 is Back]

The reality is that rule don't get enforced unless you try to bring down the empire.

next subject?

[Disgusted]

The NPC has the right to create any guide lines as it wishes.

Not true. Policy can not supercede the law. Point is if and I say IF their "policies" contradict the law then there could be trouble and that goes for any company.

[Tamer Razor]

Not true. Policy can not supercede the law. Point is if and I say IF their "policies" contradict the law then there could be trouble and that goes for any company.

I Do not believe they are breaking any laws by not allowing their competitor to compete in different organizations. If so many companies will be in legal trouble as they do not allow you to work for a competitor. Again no one is holding a Gun to the competitors ...They stay because they enjoy the NPC

[Chick]

I Do not believe they are breaking any laws by not allowing their competitor to compete in different organizations. If so many companies will be in legal trouble as they do not allow you to work for a competitor. Again no one is holding a Gun to the competitors ...They stay because they enjoy the NPC

The issue arises only within the Pro division...as an amateur, you cannot prohibit competitors from competing in other AMATEUR competitions, no matter what the federation.

The question at large is that the B&A show is offering prize money which makes it a "pro" event by definition, resulting in  a NPC amateur putting his amateur standing at risk.

[Disgusted]

I Do not believe they are breaking any laws by not allowing their competitor to compete in different organizations. If so many companies will be in legal trouble as they do not allow you to work for a competitor. Again no one is holding a Gun to the competitors ...They stay because they enjoy the NPC

Not always, sometimes they stay cause there may not be another choice. Now there is, but they are being told they can not compete for money. I like the NPC! but I think they need to leave this one alone. All it would take is one guy to file a suite and no matter what they lose. Too much publicity I believe would not be a good thiing for the NPC escpecially the way things are now. So what if a few guys compete. No matter what the NPC is not going anywhere no matte what. It's just another choice.

[ben 1]

The issue arises only within the Pro division...as an amateur, you cannot prohibit competitors from competing in other AMATEUR competitions, no matter what the federation.

The question at large is that the B&A show is offering prize money which makes it a "pro" event by definition, resulting in  a NPC amateur putting his amateur standing at risk.

How so ? Because IFBB Amateurs (named NPC in the USA) compete for cash and prizes since years all over the World!

[Tamer Razor]

The issue arises only within the Pro division...as an amateur, you cannot prohibit competitors from competing in other AMATEUR competitions, no matter what the federation.

The question at large is that the B&A show is offering prize money which makes it a "pro" event by definition, resulting in  a NPC amateur putting his amateur standing at risk.

Thanks for futher clarifying it Bob.

[ben 1]

Bannings seem arbitrary anyway, I know for a complete fact that an IFBB pro competed in a non sanctioned contest of another federation where she won a small amount of money, and then went right back to the IFBB pro level with no issue whatsoever. I assume this was due to the fact she was a low level pro, not American, and no one probably noticed.

Also, not referring to male bodybuilders as there is money to be made there, but one has to wonder from the female perspective. There is piss all money to be made anyway - check the prize money for many womens pro events, sums like $6,000 total. Ben's show is actually paying out more than most pro level shows do for women anyway. I have to laugh, as an an "amateur" I personally have won more money than most female pros will ever see anyway, as many places worldwide it's normal to win prize money as an amatuer. It's all good anyway, speaking from an international perspective, I am sure there are plenty of international folk who won't mind pocketing $10,000 while the NPC squabbles.

I think it is great Ben is offering a choice, and if NPC folk want to stick with that of course that is understandable, but never a need to down a man trying to uplift bodybuilding in general.

nicely said,thanks

[Chick]

How so ? Because IFBB Amateurs (named NPC in the USA) compete for cash and prizes since years all over the World!

Not here they don't...

[ben 1]

Not here they don't...

So you are saying NPC Athletes have different rules than all other IFBB Amateurs in the rest of the world?

[TooPowerful4u]

How so ? Because IFBB Amateurs (named NPC in the USA) compete for cash and prizes since years all over the World!

Correct me if im wrong....isnt it competing for a sponsorship?

[Chick]

So you are saying NPC Athletes have different rules than all other IFBB Amateurs in the rest of the world?

Two different federations....two different people running them.

[Tamer Razor]

nicely said,thanks

Ben if your intentions is really to help bodybuilding, not stir up problems. Have you tried working with the NPC and IFBB. It seems to me that making the show in the same weekend as the USA's and offering money to amateurs is a confrontation rather that help find solutions and options

[larger_format]

 NPC/IFBB may be stuck in the last century,when there was one phone company,movie stars were under contract to one studio,and if a network TV Show was a hit, you would NEVER,EVER see any discussion of it on competing station. Now you if you tune in NBC Today,for example,it is common practice to see them discuss(even show clips)of hit shows on ABC (Dancing with the Stars) American Idol(Fox) American Gladiators ,,well, NOT SO MUCH
and Major League Baseball has not closed up shop since introducing the inter-league series
good heavens METS vs YANKEES in July ?


On the first version of this topic- I posted a similar situation
between the Oscars and the Independent Spirit Awards - as soon as the Academy announce the Oscar Telecast date - the Indies set their awards show,always,on the afternoon before
why / because everyone is town on the same weekend.







 

[Chick]

NPC/IFBB may be stuck in the last century,when there was one phone company,movie stars were under contract to one studio,and if a network TV Show was a hit, you would NEVER,EVER see any discussion of it on competing station. Now you if you tune in NBC Today,for example,it is common practice to see them discuss(even show clips)of hit shows on ABC (Dancing with the Stars) American Idol(Fox) American Gladiators ,,well, NOT SO MUCH
and Major League Baseball has not closed up shop since introducing the inter-league series
good heavens METS vs YANKEES in July ?


On the first version of this topic- I posted a similar situation
between the Oscars and the Independent Spirit Awards - as soon as the Academy announce the Oscar Telecast date - the Indies set their awards show,always,on the afternoon before
why / because everyone is town on the same weekend.







 

PLease....If Ben had elected to have a PRO show offering a purse on the same weekend as a IFBB pro show...there would be no issue.

If He had a amateur show offering NO prize money on the same weekend as the USA, there would b no problem...

Enticing NPC amateurs to compete in his show offering monies and putting out misinformation that there is no conflict with their status.......problem.

[larger_format]

 if Pro-Athletes can NOW enter the Olympics
that should remove the stigma of offering money to athletes

and think of all the crap poor Jim Thorpe went through

[timfogarty]

So you are saying NPC Athletes have different rules than all other IFBB Amateurs in the rest of the world?

there does not seem to be any rules regarding amateur status at the international level of the IFBB, so each country's organization can set their own rules.   In most countries, top amateur athletes are subsidized by their government, which hardly makes them amateurs.  I remember a story a few years back of an athlete receiving $160k from his government for winning his class at the IFBB Worlds.  He continued to compete as an amateur.

In the US, both the AAU and NPC would ban athletes for competing in the other's amateur contests.  A lawsuit in 1982 put an end to that.  But just a few years ago I saw the Canadian CBBF threatening athletes with suspension for entering Musclemania.   A threat of a lawsuit would probably be enough to get them to back down.

[onlyme]

No matter what the NPC ad IFBB are making threats to Ben they would never ever follow through with.  No way in the world would they ever voluntarily have any issue go to court.  Also, Ben is not an organization.  The NPC competitors are NOT competing in another organization.  Ben's show is like if the Hard Rock Cafe put on a show for the Best Body and some BB entered.  It is not sanctioned nor is it a federation or organization.  I hope plenty of NPC guys enter and the NPC suspends them.  Then I hope whoever gets suspended takes the NPC to court.  Now that would be hilarious.  Their suspension would be lifted in no time.  And I would also bet those guys would never place in a NPC contest again.  I am just hoping Ben sticks with it.  Picks up some sponsors other than supplement companies or any company associated with the NPC, IFBB or bodybuilding at all.  Once you go after those sponsors the IFBB wil contact those sponsors and threaten them and Ben will be left with no sponsors.  He as to go after companies not associated.  The NPC or IFBB do not go after sponsors outside the industry simply because they can't control them.  That is a fact.

[Disgusted]

There are plenty of amateur bodybuilders who have endorsement contracts with the very companies who sponsor the NPC shows. This in itself could make the athlete looked upon as a pro since he makes his living from being a bodybuilder. My point is that a judge could very well see it this way and this could open up a pandoras box which in turn could not only hurt the athlete but the sponsers too.

[Chick]

There are plenty of amateur bodybuilders who have endorsement contracts with the very companies who sponsor the NPC shows. This in itself could make the athlete looked upon as a pro since he makes his living from being a bodybuilder. My point is that a judge could very well see it this way and this could open up a pandoras box which in turn could not only hurt the athlete but the sponsers too.

a endorsement contract is viewed differently than competing for purse/ prizes. They only look at competing for  money as "making a living" from it.

I'm sure a judge could look at it a few different ways....point is, who would bther spending the money for the right to compete as an amateur?

[TechnoViking]

The Drama on this thread brings me to MY past

[Disgusted]

a endorsement contract is viewed differently than competing for purse/ prizes. They only look at competing for  money as "making a living" from it.

I'm sure a judge could look at it a few different ways....point is, who would bther spending the money for the right to compete as an amateur?

I could be wrong, but for an Olympic athlete to be truly considered an amateur he also can not have an endorsement contract either. If a judge adheres to this strict interpretation then no amateur bodybuilder would be able to be paid an money from a sponsor. To answer your question if I am understanding it correctly, the person who would bother to spend the money to be considered an amateur would be someone who could afford to and cares enough to want it.

[Chick]

I could be wrong, but for an Olympic athlete to be truly considered an amateur he also can not have an endorsement contract either. If a judge adheres to this strict interpretation then no amateur bodybuilder would be able to be paid an money from a sponsor. To answer your question if I am understanding it correctly, the person who would bother to spend the money to be considered an amateur would be someone who could afford to and cares enough to want it.

It's more akin to the college athlete who cannot accept money....over a certain amount.