For those that don't have the constant crutch brought about by drugs...

[candidizzle]

lol.  gh15 is the man

[Kegdrainer]

At 265 with no steroids, creatine, etc...and 32 years old I am still making gains.  I have really kicked up my training in the last 3 months and have gotten great results.  All i am taking is multivitamin and eating 3 square meals a day and a couple protein bars in between.  I lift 5 days a week and hit cardio on the other two days.  I dropped initially from 270 down to about 245 in the first month on my new routine, and have come back up from 245 to 265 in the past 2 months without any drugs.  My strength improves every week.  I military pressed 220 today, and got 3 more reps per set than I did last week, so next week I'm gonna add another 10 lbs to the bar. 
Plus, my friend who was fat and out of shape is working out with me now and he's dropped 35 lbs total bodyweight and added lean mass.  It feels good to me to help a friend with his goals, and pass on some knowledge that will stay with him for life.
This is what motivates me.  More iron on the bar.  Testing my personal limits and improving myself.  Not to compare with anyone, or to impress my girlfriend.  She doesn't care if I'm huge or not, its not like my dick is gonna get any bigger from working out.

And i don't need to add hormones to my body to motivate me.  My desire to go to the gym and test myself against last weeks numbers gets me out of bed in the morning, makes me eat my eggs and oatmeal every morning, and makes me push myself to improve.  I don't need drugs.

GH15's statement sounds like any other drug addict's speech.  About how they NEED the drugs to function.  He might as well be talking about heroin or cocaine.

 

[bebop396]

If i ate like a bodybuilder to gain more muscle mass, id be fatter then i ever have been...Im a natural, dont even supplement protein and eat three meals a day...Ive maintained my strenght levels and even gained some strength since deciding to take no supplements at all....

You want my personal opinion about supplements? Its all catered to someone on the juice and if you are a natural, spending your money on all these legal supplements, is wasting your money....Keep in mind all the pros including arnold who advises 1 to 1.5 grams of protein for every pound use juice...Keep in mind how steroids speed up protein synthesis, and then look at yourself, consider the gains you have made for the tenth time over in the last ten to twenty years and wonder if all these damn supplements did shit for you....Consider the ceiling you have reached a dozen times over....How you reached the ceiling of muscle growth and strenght, quit lifting, and start back again, reaching that same ceiling again....

After looking back at all the money you gave to these damn supplement stores, was it worth it? Have you ever given the thought that you could have achieved those same results without all that? Well i questioned it, and said to hell with all that, and im happier for it, and satisfied with my strenght levels...

Im convinced that a natural weight lifting who does not compete, does just fine eating a balanced diet, with plenty of recuperation in between workouts....

[candidizzle]

At 265 with no steroids, creatine, etc...and 32 years old I am still making gains.  I have really kicked up my training in the last 3 months and have gotten great results.  All i am taking is multivitamin and eating 3 square meals a day and a couple protein bars in between.  I lift 5 days a week and hit cardio on the other two days.  I dropped initially from 270 down to about 245 in the first month on my new routine, and have come back up from 245 to 265 in the past 2 months without any drugs.  My strength improves every week.  I military pressed 220 today, and got 3 more reps per set than I did last week, so next week I'm gonna add another 10 lbs to the bar. 
Plus, my friend who was fat and out of shape is working out with me now and he's dropped 35 lbs total bodyweight and added lean mass.  It feels good to me to help a friend with his goals, and pass on some knowledge that will stay with him for life.
This is what motivates me.  More iron on the bar.  Testing my personal limits and improving myself.  Not to compare with anyone, or to impress my girlfriend.  She doesn't care if I'm huge or not, its not like my dick is gonna get any bigger from working out.

And i don't need to add hormones to my body to motivate me.  My desire to go to the gym and test myself against last weeks numbers gets me out of bed in the morning, makes me eat my eggs and oatmeal every morning, and makes me push myself to improve.  I don't need drugs.

GH15's statement sounds like any other drug addict's speech.  About how they NEED the drugs to function.  He might as well be talking about heroin or cocaine.

 

i dont think hes saying its impossible to gain size at your age, i think hes saying its impossible to do so and be in halfway decent shape. im sure your very fat. over eating is very anabolic.

im not hatig on you dude, its understandable you want to be large..the only way you can be large as a natty is to get fat. i did the same thing at one time and got up to that same weight. but fat is not boydbuilding, sir.

[natural al]

you just have to be realistic about what you can do naturally, if you think you're gonna look like jay cutler or dennis wolf then you're going to fail.  Small consisntant gains are more important as a natty, 10lbs a year is ALOT  of weight....

just be realistic and you'll be fine.

[Man of Steel]

i dont think hes saying its impossible to gain size at your age, i think hes saying its impossible to do so and be in halfway decent shape. im sure your very fat. over eating is very anabolic.

im not hatig on you dude, its understandable you want to be large..the only way you can be large as a natty is to get fat. i did the same thing at one time and got up to that same weight. but fat is not boydbuilding, sir.

How long have you been lifting?  About a year or so?

[bebop396]

Keep in mind that those from before the iron age didnt have access to all these supplements sold today and did just fine with eating three balanced meals a day...

[bebop396]

Also understand that any pro with a supplement contract are obliged to disagree and even go as far to insult this FACT harshly...

[PANDAEMONIUM]

How long have you been lifting?  About a year or so?

In candid's defense, he's been "squatting" onto penises for at least a decade now.

[candidizzle]

How long have you been lifting?  About a year or so?

about three months. 

[Rearden Metal]

How long have you been lifting?  About a year or so?

He's so new he's got grass coming out of his ears.

[Boost]

i gone from 155 to 225 natural and eating alot of junk but lifting HARD
some people make it sound like u cant even gain muslce without steroids!

[Boost]

Hey NATURAL AL, is that u in ur avi? u look awesome, got any pics?

[Rami]

....how do you maintain motivation to train and eat clean when the results come more slowly and real life sometimes gets in the way?

I know what you are talking about. Real life can and often will interfere big time, lack of rest, nutrition and sleep as a result.

The way to get around it is soldier like execution. Forfeit your mind and body for the execution of your commands that you have selected and decided to perform. Write down your workouts on paper before doing them and go through them one exercise by one till it is done. Relax and let your body do the talking, don't interfere with your mind, let it just focus on one area. I found contrary to popular belief it REALLY helps not to have a TV and not even listening radio/music while working out, even during cardio. I have found I am much more relaxed with proper breathing, focus and technique and resilient to burning out and higher focus.

When cutting this is what works for me.

You got to like working out and eating though.


During maintaining do whatever, go by feel.

[Hypertrophy]

5.when there is no hormone in your body ...you can be the heaviest lifter in the gym,,you can be the best looking 170pounder in the gym,,,you can be the best looking 220 6'3 fella in the gym,,but when you have no hormones in the system past the third year or training....YOU WILL NEVER SEE EVEN A POUND OF MUSCLE ON YOUR FRAME ESPECIALLY AT AGES 27 AND UP,,NOT EVEN A POUNDOF LEAN MUSCE!

GH15 is dead on with this comment. I made most of my weight and strength gains in the first ~2 years of training. After that I was began trying all sorts of methods to get past plateaus in strength and body weight, with marginal success.

I now lift just to maintain my strength levels and I also enjoy the feeling of "the pump" or just lifting a heavy weight. But I  long ago realized that I had gone just about as far as I could, naturally.

It does seem, though,  that I have appeared to age a lot slower than some of my family members who do not work out at all:)

[gh15]

i dont think hes saying its impossible to gain size at your age, i think hes saying its impossible to do so and be in halfway decent shape. im sure your very fat. over eating is very anabolic.

im not hatig on you dude, its understandable you want to be large..the only way you can be large as a natty is to get fat. i did the same thing at one time and got up to that same weight. but fat is not boydbuilding, sir.

dont worry he is not 265lb of anything unless he sits at 6'4 and even then i doubt it is single digits,,anything remotely REMOTELY close to 265lb at under 6'1 with decnet under 12-13% true bodyfat = LOTS AND LOTS OF CONSISTANCY IN THE HORMONE DEPARTMENT,,

friend ,,you must stop listen to the junk such as the post from that 265lb fella,,unless he is a complete 25% very soft individual he can nto and does not touch those numbers ,,the only way naturally he is 265 at under 6 feet is if his jeans mesure 38+ inch waist (most likley 42-44 if hes good!) ,,

the numbers you are throwing here for naturals...265lb  ,,we are talking bodybuilding here right? not fat potato sack,,we are talkin g265lb naturally with decent bodyfat% as in under 15% and average or smaller waist as in 36 and under,,i got news for that fella....if he is near 265lb or will ever get there he will see that the following products  will be in his arsenal including constant begs to the suppliers

testovirons
nandrolone
dianabol

if he is paper thin skin size the way grants brother started...to look like...or many of the amatuer tropopins....he is also on GROWTH HORMONES BOUGHT IN BULK FROM NORDIC SINCE THOSE FRIENDS ARE USUALLY POOR ...NO MONEY FOR LEGIT GROWTH

even if he is reno 265....he is on lots of constant use of aas and to be honest with you EVERY ONE WHO STEP ON STAGE NOW DAYS IS FULL OF GROWTH ,,many on insulin and forget about the fat burners...

clen albuterol t3 ephedrine...is part of the life of competetive bodybuilding like you drink gatorade,,
most liars that say they are 265 at under 6 feet with good shape as in decent bf% are also the same liars that will add DNP and pgcl into their arsenal,,ofcourse all of them use igf1lr3 and every peptide that comes out they get hard on and beg beg beg for a bulk deal,,


the drug addict is not gh15 ...the drug addict is the stupid imbaciles friends ongetbig that already deluted themelves to such a degree that they get off dianabol and consider themselves natural while they are on test nandrolone clenbuterol and within 2 weeks will go again on anadrol,,

do not belivee those fellas,,the reason i came to getbig was for stupid remarks such as that guy did to never heard again
265... ::)naturally ...he will soon say he is 5'11 or 6'2 i got the feeling,,in any case be sure he is VERY FEMILIAR WITH HORMONES and creatine is the usual bullshit excuse for the 2 weeks he is off,,he may take it or not ..it wont matter and most likley get it cheap since his other bodybuilder friend own a supplement store 3 min down the road where he can come show off his 265lb of natural muscle

that post of his is a joke ,,if you only knew how much shit we use to be 265 on stage ,,if you only knew how much work outside the gym we do,,if you only knew what chase there is after specific hormones and if you only knew HOW MUCH IT COST ESPECIALLY NOW DAYS...that guy would close his mouth and bless the fact he can still do them,,
insted he pisses off the american goverment because the american goverment HATE LIARS and bring more heat on everyone of you ! since you are bodybuilders too,,

remember  the lies can start small with such a stupid post....but those lies end up big when he will say in a year that his friend got busted because of 5 vials of testosterone while in reality it will be that cocaine and heroin he is talking about,,

this guys are posion that is killing bodybuilding,,they shoudl never be allowed in bodybuilding,,many of them are criminals and fellons many of them dont care that they bring down bodybuilders who truly only work with hormones,,
in any case you get my point,,,ignore his nonesense

[candidizzle]

thx gh15...        

[Kegdrainer]

just to be clear gh15, I am 6'3 1/2".  I was 295-310 during football in my senior year of high school and wrestled at 226 at about 7% bf. (thats 14 years ago) Without steroids, hormones, etc.  I ate red meat almost every day unless I was cutting weight for wrestling.  At my largest as an adult was about 5 years ago at about 300 lbs working in a meatroom, slinging cows all day, and taking in about 3 lbs of red meat a day, about half of that was raw right off the cow.  I got gout and had to cut back on the red meat though and I have come down my current weight.  I don't eat super clean and i still go out for drinks about 2 times a week, but at my weight I still wear a size 36 pants which is loose on me.

I just think your statements are not realistic.  To claim that after 30 you can't put on any lean mass without hormones is a lie.  Let me ask you this then...if I were to go on heavy cycles of hormones and aas how large would I be?  Would I be on stage at 290?  300?  more than that?

I would just be another freak in the crowd, doing terrible things to my body for some short lived glory in the bodybuilding world, and the negatives of that life far outweigh the positives.  Gay 4 pay, illegal activity that could land me in jail,  damage to my kidneys, liver, brain, body, etc...  It's just not worth it in my opinion. 
 

[Meltdown]

Keg you sound like a smart guy.Why wouldn't you Risk all that stuff for the MASSIVE amounts of Money the IFBB give their athletes.These guys make sooooooooooo much money in Pro shows they never have to work have great health plans and never do anything illegal.It's not about Drugs it's all Genetics as Bob says.

[Croatch]

....how do you maintain motivation to train and eat clean when the results come more slowly and real life sometimes gets in the way?

You feel better in general.  Housing 2nd rate juicer clowns, is just a bonus.  I'm glad many people take sauce though.  I actually push harder than if everyone were natural.  I'd be scared to see the people in my gym on nothing.  I realize, it's what they need just to make it their...pathetic yes, but who am I to judge.

[Kegdrainer]

Keg you sound like a smart guy.Why wouldn't you Risk all that stuff for the MASSIVE amounts of Money the IFBB give their athletes.These guys make sooooooooooo much money in Pro shows they never have to work have great health plans and never do anything illegal.It's not about Drugs it's all Genetics as Bob says.

If it's all genetics, then why did it take Bob so long to get his pro card?

[shiftedShapes]

just to be clear gh15, I am 6'3 1/2".  I was 295-310 during football in my senior year of high school and wrestled at 226 at about 7% bf. (thats 14 years ago) Without steroids, hormones, etc.  I ate red meat almost every day unless I was cutting weight for wrestling.  At my largest as an adult was about 5 years ago at about 300 lbs working in a meatroom, slinging cows all day, and taking in about 3 lbs of red meat a day, about half of that was raw right off the cow.  I got gout and had to cut back on the red meat though and I have come down my current weight.  I don't eat super clean and i still go out for drinks about 2 times a week, but at my weight I still wear a size 36 pants which is loose on me.

I just think your statements are not realistic.  To claim that after 30 you can't put on any lean mass without hormones is a lie.  Let me ask you this then...if I were to go on heavy cycles of hormones and aas how large would I be?  Would I be on stage at 290?  300?  more than that?

I would just be another freak in the crowd, doing terrible things to my body for some short lived glory in the bodybuilding world, and the negatives of that life far outweigh the positives.  Gay 4 pay, illegal activity that could land me in jail,  damage to my kidneys, liver, brain, body, etc...  It's just not worth it in my opinion. 
 

this all sounds believable to me except the 7% BF.

[jason armstrong]

Yes, but don't think I haven't thought about using many times.

if you are natural then i am impressed as those pics you posted you had great size.

heavy juicers never recover if they don't drop off due to health problems first they can't train with test levels of castrated mice...

i know guys that have been using low moderate doses for a decade and look really good they just don't abuse...

you just have to reset your goals and train smarter as you get older...

[Chick]

If it's all genetics, then why did it take Bob so long to get his pro card?

Because it's not "all genetics"....no one said that except for this fol "Meltdown".

The ability to "dial it in" on game day was the only factor that kept me from a pro card much earlier in my amateur career...

[candidizzle]

if you are natural then i am impressed as those pics you posted you had great size.

heavy juicers never recover if they don't drop off due to health problems first they can't train with test levels of castrated mice...

i know guys that have been using low moderate doses for a decade and look really good they just don't abuse...

you just have to reset your goals and train smarter as you get older...

moderate dose= heavy dose, when it comes to the effect on the hpta and injecting testosterone. shut down is shut down. 500mg per week= 5,ooomg per week as far as that goes.   its about how long you stay shut down.  

dumbass.