sunken faces 80's/early 90's vs. Present

[bizzy]

In the past you could tell a lot about someone's condition
by looking at their face.
Now, it is much harder to tell just by the face although there
are exceptions.
A good example would be Kai Greene who has a full face
but striated quads, glutes and back.
What do you think has caused this change?

[bizzy]

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[Moosejay]

That's actually a pretty good question.

Perhaps due to the fact that today's fellows may depend more on drugs than on hard training and excrutiatingly difficult diets.

[MisterMagoo]

That's actually a pretty good question.

Perhaps due to the fact that today's fellows may depend more on drugs than on hard training and excrutiatingly difficult diets.

actually i'd say the reverse. the guys of the early 90s tended to either die or have severe health problems because of the immense drug cycles they took in order to get into contest condition. by 1998, how many people of the 1990s were either dead or out of commission? we'd seen dillet freeze on stage, munzer, momo, francois was gone, so was dennis newman, in the next two years flex's kidneys would go and TP was out soon as well.

2008, pretty much everyone whose career blossomed near the turn of the millenium is fine.

[CalvinH]

Gayer than staring at men's faces.

[Moosejay]

actually i'd say the reverse. the guys of the early 90s tended to either die or have severe health problems because of the immense drug cycles they took in order to get into contest condition. by 1998, how many people of the 1990s were either dead or out of commission? we'd seen dillet freeze on stage, munzer, momo, francois was gone, so was dennis newman, in the next two years flex's kidneys would go and TP was out soon as well.

2008, pretty much everyone whose career blossomed near the turn of the millenium is fine.

well...I don't know...could be right...things are out of control gut wise and drug wise either way...I'd rather see everyone thrive and be healthy.

[240 is Back]

Today's gear:
Bones grow and skin thickens.

[Mark Kerr]

GH

[MisterMagoo]

well...I don't know...could be right...things are out of control gut wise and drug wise either way...I'd rather see everyone thrive and be healthy.

maybe it's just different drugs. since the guys in the 90s killed themselves getting ripped, guys in the 2000s kill themselves getting huge, and the health issues aren't as immediate.

[McFarland]

actually i'd say the reverse. the guys of the early 90s tended to either die or have severe health problems because of the immense drug cycles they took in order to get into contest condition. by 1998, how many people of the 1990s were either dead or out of commission? we'd seen dillet freeze on stage, munzer, momo, francois was gone, so was dennis newman, in the next two years flex's kidneys would go and TP was out soon as well.

2008, pretty much everyone whose career blossomed near the turn of the millenium is fine.

The cramping stopped because bodybuilders found a compound called Quinine Sulfate, as it prevents any and all cramping from diuretics.  The only problem is that if your potassium is depleted enough to the point to where your heart might stop, you won't have the extreme cramping beforehand to warn you.  Luckily I guess you have to get pretty water depleted for that to happen though.  

[The Coach]

Insulin..what else!

[njflex]

DBL chins too,bbers today can eat more and get into shape but still be out of breath and ripped  

[JasonH]

actually i'd say the reverse. the guys of the early 90s tended to either die or have severe health problems because of the immense drug cycles they took in order to get into contest condition. by 1998, how many people of the 1990s were either dead or out of commission? we'd seen dillet freeze on stage, munzer, momo, francois was gone, so was dennis newman, in the next two years flex's kidneys would go and TP was out soon as well.

2008, pretty much everyone whose career blossomed near the turn of the millenium is fine.

Good analysis.

I would say the drugs definitely have something to do with it - the guys of today are bigger on average than those of the 80's and so don't need to take as extreme steps with their diets - the gear now takes care of that for them. Better drug knowledge and variety of the 21st century now takes the place of the naive experimentation of the 1980's.

[timfogarty]

insulin, dnp, diuretics

back then no one was getting to 3% bodyfat.   Kai doesn't have the sunken face because I don't think he's ever gotten down to 3% body fat.  Nor should he.  3% doesn't mean you have more muscles, proportionality or symmetry.  3% just means you have grainier skin.

[dov]

HGH

[chaos]

Insulin..what else!

hahahhaa When I started reading this thread, I was looking for this post.

[no one]

Insulin..what else!

i won't rip on you here coach cause we finally agree on something.

insulin used in pre contest carb up is the culprit.

(look at JOJ pics from last year- massive super- compensation caused by overloading carbs and using insulin to push it all)

[ANAL DISCHARGE]

Gayer than staring at men's faces.

I like to stare at men's faeces.

[The Coach]

No one is correct add to the fact that if and when you load with insulin carbs have to be taken in. In most cases the loading starts about 4 days out. Over the course of those 4 days, the carb loading is somewhere between 3-5000grms over the days!

[BDG]

Fning MOMO... That little bastard was AWESOME..... 

[no one]

No one is correct add to the fact that if and when you load with insulin carbs have to be taken in. In most cases the loading starts about 4 days out. Over the course of those 4 days, the carb loading is somewhere between 3-5000grms over the days!

agreed. time frame and amounts are pretty much spot on. (edit: i miss-read that i thought you had meant 3-5000 cals from carbs, which would be equal to 750- 1250 or more grams of carbs in the load, per day- 5000 grams of carbs is out there, unless you mean over the length of the load)

we have to stop agreeing like this coach.

[Stavios]

Insulin..what else!

[Bobby]

this one is begging to be photoshopped


looks like he has 2...

[240 is Back]

No one is correct add to the fact that if and when you load with insulin carbs have to be taken in. In most cases the loading starts about 4 days out. Over the course of those 4 days, the carb loading is somewhere between 3-5000grms over the days!

would you rather a person use insulin, or attend church with reverend wright?

[gh15]

Insulin..what else!

we got a winner here,,bingo

insulin is the reason there is no detailed physiqes anymore,,INSULIN IS USED BY EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE GUYS WHO WALK AT 240 AND OVER WITH LOW BODYFAT% ON A PROFESSIONAL STAGE NOW DAYS

it is not the growth and it is not the aas,,it is the insulin and ONLY the insulin


by the way..how can heath ever win o with chest such as this? this is pathetic  and worse than many 180lb gym rats and no its not that the arms are killing the chest it is that there is NO CHEST,,stucturally he is out of the mr o title unless joseph wants him to be a mr o ,,therre shoud never be mr o with such a pathetic chest ,,the more i look at it the more im amazed since this fella is not 5'3 like priest he is 5'9 and got no chest ,,he is all arms shoulder when it comes to upper tors,,i dont know but if he wins o ever while dex competing that will be the end of bodybuilding justice as it will be killed a final death after jason disaster showing last year ,,its like god forgot to give him chest,,amazing