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Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« on: May 16, 2008, 01:29:28 PM »
Here's exactly what President Bush said:

    There are good and decent people who cannot fathom the darkness in these men and try to explain away their words. It's natural, but it is deadly wrong. As witnesses to evil in the past, we carry a solemn responsibility to take these words seriously. Jews and Americans have seen the consequences of disregarding the words of leaders who espouse hatred. And that is a mistake the world must not repeat in the 21st century.

    Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: "Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided." We have an obligation to call this what it is--the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.

    Some people suggest if the United States would just break ties with Israel, all our problems in the Middle East would go away. This is a tired argument that buys into the propaganda of the enemies of peace, and America utterly rejects it.

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2008, 01:40:27 PM »
How did Obama know it was a reference to him unless   . . . there is some truth to it (it could have easily been a reference to Jimmy Carter or even a general statement of foreign policy).  Obama lacks the internal fortitude for the office he seeks.  After all if someone like Hillary Clinton can tell you "if you can't take the heat stay our of the kitchen"  . . . then let's face it, you're a little too "sensitive" to put it mildly.


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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2008, 02:50:42 PM »
Camp mccain, an hour after bush said that, replaced it with obama's name and reitereated it.

It was obviously a coordinated attack.

They're not dumb.  Bush interjected himself into the 2008 campaign to call obama an appeaser.  The problem is that 1) That's not appeasement by definition - that involved giving the enemy something, and 2) Bush appeased North korea by giving them million barrels of oil to stop firing missiles at us.

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2008, 03:15:28 PM »
Camp mccain, an hour after bush said that, replaced it with obama's name and reitereated it.

It was obviously a coordinated attack.

They're not dumb.  Bush interjected himself into the 2008 campaign to call obama an appeaser.  The problem is that 1) That's not appeasement by definition - that involved giving the enemy something, and 2) Bush appeased North korea by giving them million barrels of oil to stop firing missiles at us.


Rank speculation!  How do you know it was ccordinated as opposed to McCain seizing the opportunity and jumping on the issue.

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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2008, 03:29:39 PM »
Rank speculation!  How do you know it was ccordinated as opposed to McCain seizing the opportunity an jumping on the issue.

mccain said we should negotiate with HAMAS.

Why are you defending this TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER?

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2008, 03:41:06 PM »
How did Obama know it was a reference to him unless   . . . there is some truth to it (it could have easily been a reference to Jimmy Carter or even a general statement of foreign policy).  Obama lacks the internal fortitude for the office he seeks.  After all if someone like Hillary Clinton can tell you "if you can't take the heat stay our of the kitchen"  . . . then let's face it, you're a little too "sensitive" to put it mildly.



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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2008, 03:55:09 PM »
Before this was announced I said all Obama wants to do is "talk" and Decker asked for some specific links to his case for "talking"...this is it.


If Obama is prez he will let anyone in the country and bow down to all other nations (muslim mostly)

No reason for Obama to have responded to what Bush said unless it really held truth, and it did.

W.H. press even stated that the world does not revolve around Osama and asked why he thinks this is a linkage towards his self

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2008, 03:57:51 PM »
lol at Bush's spokeswoman talking about how the world does not revolve around Obama.  Yes, it does.  Bush's time is over.... now all that's left is to right about his inglorious time as president.

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2008, 04:24:51 PM »
Bush absolutely did not say Obama's name!  If he did, on foreign soil, I would have agreed he would be completely out of line.  There are groups of leaders that talk about negotiating with Hamas, Iran, etc.  Matter of fact, you could easily say this this is in reference to Jimmy Carter's recent trip.

This statement is similar to his past statements about not negotiating with terrorists.  Obama's camp is being ultra-sensitive...relax.

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2008, 05:21:35 PM »

Yeah, let's compare how many headlines Obama, Carter and Bush have each had in the last three months.

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2008, 06:08:00 PM »
70% of americans want to throw-up when they see or hear bush speak.     Its like kicking a dead horse anyway.....bush will be charged with war crimes soon.....


Mccain=Bush 3...... :-X

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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2008, 06:15:20 PM »
mccain said we should negotiate with HAMAS.

Why are you defending this TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER?

Link please.

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2008, 06:29:18 PM »
Gates wants to negotiate with Iran.   Maybe Bush was talking about him.

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2008, 07:06:54 PM »
oh brother, if it was not a comment toward the democrats who was it toward ::)  for what purpose?  Let me guess, the pres was setting up a straw man to address for the hell of it ::)  No, it was directed at the people who have suggested we be willing to talk to our enemies.  Now who is suggesting that?  Dems and who is the primary person of interest, the person who has the highest potential to change policy in that direction and the person who has been vocal about changing our policy on diplomacy with the enemy?  OBAMA!!!!

pull your head out of the pundits ass for once and think for yourself ::)

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2008, 08:44:19 PM »
oh brother, if it was not a comment toward the democrats who was it toward ::)  for what purpose?  Let me guess, the pres was setting up a straw man to address for the hell of it ::)  No, [I assume] it was directed at the people who have suggested we be willing to talk to our enemies.  Now who is suggesting that?  Dems and who is the primary person of interest, the person who has the highest potential to change policy in that direction and the person who has been vocal about changing our policy on diplomacy with the enemy?  OBAMA!!!!

pull your head out of the pundits ass for once and think speculate for yourself ::)

Speculation, conjecture, guesswork, innuendo . . .  all good substitutions for facts.

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2008, 09:55:18 PM »
Speculation, conjecture, guesswork, innuendo . . .  all good substitutions for facts.
::) In this case, I have the facts and you have the speculation!

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2008, 09:58:28 PM »
::) In this case, I have the facts and you have the speculation!

Where?  A neutron microscope could not divine a single shred of fact in that morass of pablum!  Finding a fact in that glob of non-intellectual goo is worse than "Where's Waldo"! (or in this case, where is Osama errr...   I mean Hussein, whoops I mean Obama!)

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2008, 11:33:48 PM »
Link please.

i watched the video today.  Mccain, in his own words, describing the need to talk to hamas.

Please, call bullshit, so I will have motivation to look it up, then you can apologize for doubting me.

I'm sure it'll be all youtubed up this weekend - it makes mccain look realllly fcking hypocritical to be saying this 1 and 2 years ago - in CONTRAST with Bush Admin and ISR position - then suddenly this year saying we cannot talk to them.

hamas was launching rockets into fvcking houses - and Mccain said we should talk to them.  that's bullshit, joe.

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2008, 11:43:58 PM »
i watched the video today.  Mccain, in his own words, describing the need to talk to hamas.

Please, call bullshit, so I will have motivation to look it up, then you can apologize for doubting me.

I'm sure it'll be all youtubed up this weekend - it makes mccain look realllly fcking hypocritical to be saying this 1 and 2 years ago - in CONTRAST with Bush Admin and ISR position - then suddenly this year saying we cannot talk to them.

hamas was launching rockets into fvcking houses - and Mccain said we should talk to them.  that's bullshit, joe.

Strange, no refutation of the central point.  It seems not only Obama is wearing panties....

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2008, 10:08:35 AM »
mccain said we should negotiate with HAMAS.

Why are you defending this TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER?



McCain denies 'flip-flop' on Hamas, blasts Obama

McCain says he has always opposed talks with Hamas unless it changes

Ex-diplomat journalist calls McCain hypocrite for change in stance since 2006

In 2006 British TV interview, McCain said U.S. had to deal with Hamas

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(CNN) -- John McCain's campaign said Friday that claims by a former State Department official that McCain had advocated unconditional dialogue with the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas were misleading.


Sen. John McCain's campaign says he has always placed conditions on talking with Hamas.

James P. Rubin said on CNN Friday that McCain had told him during a 2006 interview that the United States would inevitably have to deal with Hamas. Rubin said criticism now of similar statements by Democrats was "the ultimate flip-flop in American politics."

But McCain said Friday that his position had remained consistent, saying "I will not and would not sit down and negotiate with terrorist organizations and never have."

The presumed Republican presidential nominee said he would talk to Hamas only "if they wanted to become an organization dedicated to peace rather than the extermination of the state of Israel and sponsoring acts of terror."

The Arizona senator has criticized Barack Obama for his stated willingness to speak with hostile nations like Iran, and repeatedly raised what he has described as Hamas' approval of Obama's candidacy.

"Now, Sen. Obama supports sitting down with a state sponsor of that terrorist organization. Sen. Obama wants to have direct talks with the president of Iran, who has said that Israel is a stinking corpse and wants to wipe Israel off the map -- those are [the president's] words, not mine," McCain said.

Speaking before the National Rifle Association in Louisville, Kentucky, Friday afternoon, McCain criticized Obama.

McCain added that "it would be a wonderful thing if we lived in a world where we don't have enemies. That's not the world we live in. And until Sen. Obama understands that reality, the American people have every reason to doubt whether he has strength, judgment and determination to keep us safe."  Watch more of McCain's comments »

During an event in Watertown, South Dakota, Obama responded to McCain's attack, calling it a "kind of hypocrisy."

"John McCain has repeated this notion that I'm prepared to negotiate with terrorists. I have never said that; I have been adamant about not negotiating with Hamas, a terrorist organization that has vowed to destroy Israel and won't recognize them," the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination said.

"If George Bush and John McCain want to have a debate about protecting the United States of America, that is a debate that I'm happy to have any time, any place, and that is a debate that I will win, because George Bush and John McCain have a lot to answer for," Obama said.

On CNN's "American Morning" Friday, Rubin -- a former assistant secretary of state in the Clinton administration and a supporter of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign -- said McCain's criticism of Obama's position was hypocritical.  Watch Rubin accuse McCain of flip-flopping »

"When he was in Davos [Switzerland] amongst the European crowd and I interviewed him there two years ago, he was talking as if it was appropriate and natural and reasonable to negotiate with Hamas, the new government of the Palestinian territories," Rubin said.

"And then two years later, he's taking a very, very different position ... smearing people for suggesting that one ought to talk to Hamas when it was he himself who was prepared to talk to Hamas two years ago."

Rubin wrote an op-ed piece in Friday's Washington Post relating an interview he conducted with McCain on the British network Sky News shortly after Hamas won the Palestinian elections in January 2006.

McCain said the United States would not be able to avoid a dialogue with the Islamic militant group.

"They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another," he said at the time. "And I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas, because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice ...

"But it's a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that."

Bounds sent reporters a 2006 McCain statement in which he called on Hamas to renounce violence -- though he did not say that requirement would be a precondition for dialogue.

"John McCain's position is clear and has always been clear: The president of the United States should not unconditionally meet with leaders of Iran, Hamas or Hezbollah," Bounds said.

In a January 2006 CNN interview, McCain stressed conditions Hamas would need to meet before establishing a working relationship of any kind with the United States.

McCain told CNN he hoped "that Hamas, now that they are going to govern, will be motivated to renounce this commitment to the extinction of the state of Israel. Then we can do business again. We can resume aid, we can resume the peace process."

On a conference call Thursday, McCain said Obama's position was "unacceptable" and shows that he "does not have the knowledge, the experience, the background to make the kind of judgments that are necessary to preserve this nation's security."

After President Bush seemed to suggest Thursday that Obama's foreign policy vision that included talking with adversaries was fatally flawed, Obama said again that his position had been mischaracterized.  Watch the uproar over Bush's comments »


"George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the president's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel," the Illinois senator said in a statement.

He is planning to respond to attacks on his position at a speech Friday afternoon in South Dakota.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/16/mccain.hamas/?iref=mpstoryview


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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2008, 11:27:14 AM »
Obama has done nothing in his life that would indicate he is ready for the toughest job in the world.  Like blind sheep his ilk follows.
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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2008, 11:30:07 AM »
Your retort is that "McCain denies 'flip-flop'"

He denied it, so you're calling me a liar?

okay, let's find the youtube clip of him 2 years ago.  I watched MSNBC play it last night.  Geez, your 'evidence' is a denial from mccain.  charming!

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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2008, 11:33:51 AM »
Your retort is that "McCain denies 'flip-flop'"

He denied it, so you're calling me a liar?

okay, let's find the youtube clip of him 2 years ago.  I watched MSNBC play it last night.  Geez, your 'evidence' is a denial from mccain.  charming!

Just post it already.

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2008, 11:51:11 AM »
Your retort is that "McCain denies 'flip-flop'"

He denied it, so you're calling me a liar?

okay, let's find the youtube clip of him 2 years ago.  I watched MSNBC play it last night.  Geez, your 'evidence' is a denial from mccain.  charming!

Go to youtube and type "McCain Hammas"

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Re: Sen. Obama Has His Panties All In a Bunch
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2008, 12:56:49 PM »
Where?  A neutron microscope could not divine a single shred of fact in that morass of pablum!  Finding a fact in that glob of non-intellectual goo is worse than "Where's Waldo"! (or in this case, where is Osama errr...   I mean Hussein, whoops I mean Obama!)

Are you a complete fucking retard? Bill O'Reilly, is that you! >:(

1. FACT. Obama has been a strong vocal critic of Bush's policy of not talking to the enemy.

2. FACT Barrack has been not only at the forefront of changing the disastrous Bush policies on diplomacy but also served as a rally point for democrats and liberals who feel the same way.
Additional info: http://www.cgdev.org/doc/blog/obama_strengthen_security.pdf

3. FACT BUSH was addressing what he believes to be a group that is the modern day equivalent of WWII era appeasers. QUOTE: "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland..."

4. NEW FACT I asked and I ask again: If Bush was not addressing Obama and those rallying behind the message in question, what straw man was Bush setting up and for what purpose?  YOU didn't answer that and instead said I didn't have any facts behind what I said ::)

5. ABSOLUTE FACTYou suck at this.  Never have I encountered someone so blind to the obvious. 

Again, I tell you, pull your head out of the pundit's ass and think for yourself, it's really sad to see people come here and post almost word for word what some jackass twit spewed on tv from something he was handed that morning to learn and repeat.  Don't think it doesn't get noticed when we read someone's remarks that ditto the gop queef we just heard on CNN, Fox or some other network ::)