Lean,healthy and asthetic vs big,juiced and bulky?

[Bluto]

too bad biceps cant be peaked

[wes]

Far better to prefect your physique on your own individual terms and not be made a slave to some established abitrary standard. Living a happy productive life by your own standards is real success.
Howard

Just do the above Howard.

[just_a_pilgrim]

I didn't read everything but just to point out not everyone can have suburb shape, quality, cuts etc. at a young age, it takes a lot of time.

One thing you can have when you are young is a lot of mass, which yes looks much better when refined but that takes years and years.

[kyomu]

dont forget tall

I am 171cm and That is the average of Spain and Japan male.
So I am not short nor tall.

[DK II]

I didn't read everything but just to point out not everyone can have suburb shape, quality, cuts etc. at a young age, it takes a lot of time.

One thing you can have when you are young is a lot of mass, which yes looks much better when refined but that takes years and years.

suburb shape is the best. 

[RZA]

WTF is suburb shape by the way? Does this mean looking like the guy mowing his lawn as his only monthly exercise?

[kyomu]

We have to avoid the word superb shape. Just saying % of BF is better.
Everyone has his superb shape. Maybe under 3% of BF is superb shape for Paco Bautista.

[DK II]

WTF is suburb shape by the way? Does this mean looking like the guy mowing his lawn as his only monthly exercise?

 

[Cleanest Natural]

Chics loved the first picture look and were indiff at the 2nd

[BayGBM]

I'll take big, juiced, and bulky.   

[Stavios]

I'll take big, juiced, and bulky.   

you are disgusting 

[kyomu]

Chics loved the first picture look and were indiff at the 2nd

How much heavier from 1st to 2nd?

[Howard]

I didn't read everything but just to point out not everyone can have suburb shape, quality, cuts etc. at a young age, it takes a lot of time.

One thing you can have when you are young is a lot of mass, which yes looks much better when refined but that takes years and years.

I will have to disagree with you on this. Yes, your overall shape and look is genetic, but, to maximize what you do have with a sound diet, low body fat, etc is a matter of training and discipline.

[Cleanest Natural]

How much heavier from 1st to 2nd?

17 kg

[spinnis]

17 kg

15kg of water

[DK II]

15kg of water

exactly.

[kyomu]

15kg of water

What do you mean only 2 kg of fat?

[DK II]

What do you mean only 2 kg of fat?

 

[kyomu]

Then his contest prep is easy.

[jr]

17 kg

Sa-mi bagi mana-n cur si sa-mi faci laba la cacat. Shampona-mi-ai flocii cu saliva. Spala-te pe dinti ca vin cu pula in inspectie. Usca-mi-as sosetele pe crucea ma`tii. Futu-tzi coliva ma~tii. 

[Tombo]

i just cant organize myself to lean up as of late.. plus its fucking cold and i have shin splints, two good reasons not to go for a run 

[Cleanest Natural]

15kg of water

so much water so little time

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

I'll take big, juiced, and bulky.   

alex23 is cute and he is pretty big, juiced on occassion, and he is bulky.  He is even cutier with a hat on.........

[JasonH]

alex23 is cute and he is pretty big, juiced on occassion, and he is bulky.  He is even cutier with a hat on.........

No, he is a fat American with a perm.

[smoothasf]

no matter what distorsion people have of how the body should look i can guaren-fucking-tee you looking normal and ripped will get you 10 times more pussy than looking like a big meat head
Looking bigger might give you more respect with fellow men, but fuck, who gives a shit what another man thinks.  You just wanna be able to walk into anyroom and leave with the hottest chick/chicks.  I really dont care if the guy in baggy gym pants can bench 10 or 100kgs more than me as long as i get ass