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Don't blame us for prices - oil execs
« on: May 21, 2008, 01:07:50 PM »
This has to be the only industry in the country that always makes a profit, no matter what, good economy, bad economy, etc.  >:(

Don't blame us for prices - oil execs
By Steve Hargreaves, CNNMoney.com staff writer
Last Updated: May 21, 2008: 3:47 PM EDT


Big Oil execs testified before the Senate Tuesday, saying high oil prices were largely out of their control and more drilling in the U.S. is needed.

The record-high price of gasoline is putting a strain on American motorists - and spurring some to shift their habits. Here are their stories.

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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Amid increasing public outcry over record-shattering oil and gas prices, senators on Wednesday hauled industry executives in to testify about the recent runup.

The Senate Judiciary Committee called the hearing to explore the skyrocketing price of oil, which jumped over $4 a barrel to a new record of over $133. The committee grilled executives from Exxon Mobil (XOM, Fortune 500), ConocoPhillips Co. (COP, Fortune 500), Shell Oil Co. (RDSA), Chevron (CVX, Fortune 500) and BP (BP) as to how their companies can in good conscience make so much money, while American drivers pay so much at the pump.

"You have to sense what you're doing to us - we're on the precipice here, about to fall into recession," said Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill. "Does it trouble any one of you - the costs you're imposing on families, on small businesses, on truckers?"

The executives said it did, and that they are doing all they can to bring new oil supplies to market, but that the fundamental reasons for the surge in oil prices are largely out of their control.

"We cannot change the world market," said Robert Malone, chairman and president of BP America Inc. "Today's high prices are linked to the failure both here and abroad to increase supplies, renewables and conservation."

Malone's remarks were echoed by John Hofmeister, president of Shell.

"The fundamental laws of supply and demand are at work," said Hofmeister. The market is squeezed by exporting nations managing demand for their own interest and other nations subsidizing prices to encourage economic growth, he said.

In addition, Hofmeister said access to resources in the United States has been limited for the past 30 years. "I agree, it's not a free market," he said.

The executives pushed the idea that large parts of the U.S. that are currently closed to drilling - like sections of Alaska, the Rocky Mountains and the continental shelf - should be opened.

"The place to start the free market is in our own country," said one executive. [The drilling ban] sets the stage for OPEC to do what we are doing in our own country, and that is effectively limiting supplies."

John Lowe, executive vice president of ConocoPhillips, said Congress should enact a balanced energy policy. In addition to lifting the drilling ban, such a policy could include measures to encourage alternative energy sources, remove the ethanol tariff, promote energy conservation, cut regulations around refining.

"We must work together to find a real solution," said Lowe. "U.S. oil companies should be viewed not as scapegoats, but as assets."

The executives also named several things that Congress should not do, first among them being a hike in taxes or an undoing of the mergers of the late 1990s.

"Americans need companies that can effectively compete for access to new resources," said Peter Robertson, vice chairman of Chevron. "Punitive measures that weakened us in the face of international competition are the wrong measures."

The executives also frowned on a recently passed House bill giving the Justice Department the power to sue OPEC, saying it would have little effect in boosting production.

The testimony was colored by a few outbursts of protest from members of the public. Before the hearing even began, a heckler in the crowd shouted: "Stop ripping off the American public - bring these oil prices down."

The panel took issue with the amount of money oil firms are investing in finding oil, and investing in renewables.

"You know how much cash you have on hand compared to capital investment," said Durbin. "They are begging us for more refineries, for more exploration, when their refineries are only operating at 85 percent."

Chevron's Robertson said the issue wasn't really one of refining, and more just the price of crude.

We are investing all we can [in finding new oil] given the limitations of access and our own human capacity," he said. "We have adequate refined capacity, inventories are at an all time high. The issue is the price of crude."

Committee Chairman Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., likely summed up the feeling of many senators on the panel.

"The people we represent are hurting, while your companies are profiting," he said. "We need to get some balance."

http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/21/news/economy/oil_hearing/index.htm?cnn=yes

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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2008, 01:15:44 PM »
The speculators do the most damage, as FDR said in his inaugural address in 1933 "unscrupulous moneychangers" Edmund Burke said the same thing just before the French Revolution, not to say the execs don't have a hand in taking those profits but it's the publics opinion and fear that drive this machine.

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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2008, 01:57:49 PM »
Since they are doing so well, maybe the US gov. should scale back a few of those tax payer subsidies for them.

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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2008, 02:12:35 PM »
Since they are doing so well, maybe the US gov. should scale back a few of those tax payer subsidies for them.

Funny how the Senate makes no mention of that?  Guess they can't bite the hand that feeds them.

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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2008, 02:14:06 PM »
That and maybe we can build some new refineries...
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2008, 02:18:53 PM »
I think the failure of the US gov. to put a premium on alternative fuel R&D (the way it emphasized the space race) is going to cost us a lot more than we think.

With all the revenues that South America and the Middle East reap from the sale of their oil...well, they just might start buying up American assets or worse.

And the US has little alternative but to dance to the tune they play.

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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2008, 02:21:25 PM »
I think we could turn it around. I think the oil companies need to look at themselves as enegy companies instead of oil companies. If I were Mobil I'd want to be around in 500 years or so...find the next thing.
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2008, 02:23:58 PM »
That and maybe we can build some new refineries...

....and drill in Anwr. If the granolas wouldn't get in the way of everything, we might be at around $80-85.00 per barrel, but instead we're at $130-140.00 because we have to depend on foreign oil and yet they want to bitch and blame it on Bush. Pathetic!!

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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2008, 02:32:08 PM »
Its all Bush's fault....we've been cozing up to the House of Saud for years and its all the Repubs fault..nope its America's fault and we have it in our power to change course. How nice would it have been if Bush could have told the Saudi's to go pound sand last week whne they refused to up oil production.
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Re: Don't blame us for prices - oil execs
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2008, 02:59:53 PM »
....and drill in Anwr. If the granolas wouldn't get in the way of everything, we might be at around $80-85.00 per barrel, but instead we're at $130-140.00 because we have to depend on foreign oil and yet they want to bitch and blame it on Bush. Pathetic!!

'granolas'?

dude, he invaded iraq because he felt like it.  the granolas didn't stop him then.

you're saying bush gives a flying shit what greenpeace thinks of drilling?

dude, the $ is in foreign oil, that's why he's behind it.  Everytime I hear someone say bush doesn't drilll domestically because of the libs, i have to laugh.  He'll borrow $1 tril per year against the lib wishes, and continue a war, but he won't dig alaska huh?

LMAO...

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Re: Don't blame us for prices - oil execs
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2008, 03:04:09 PM »
George Bush did do this.
Ask the Saudi's about Canadian oil.
Bush's legacy was to have America free from International oil market by ramping up oil production in Canada in the US. The Goal was to drill in Anwar and to increase Canadian oil production by 5 times.
In 2007 the democratic congress revised the goals, started to try to limit Canadian oil and has refused to allow drilling off of Florida or in Alaska.

Congress told him to pound Sand.

Don't blame George Bush for this mess.
He also increased fuel efficiency standards and helped to push to development of hybrid vehicles in 2005.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/energy/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/stateoftheunion/2007/initiatives/energy.html
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/01/17/oil-sands.html
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Re: Don't blame us for prices - oil execs
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2008, 03:11:25 PM »
I think we could turn it around. I think the oil companies need to look at themselves as enegy companies instead of oil companies. If I were Mobil I'd want to be around in 500 years or so...find the next thing.

Its all Bush's fault....we've been cozing up to the House of Saud for years and its all the Repubs fault..nope its America's fault and we have it in our power to change course. How nice would it have been if Bush could have told the Saudi's to go pound sand last week whne they refused to up oil production.

OMG!! Dude you're going to give me a heart attack!  :o  We are soooo in agreement on this.
That's part of why I believe T. Boone Pickens is such a visionary. Right now he's calling for conversion to nat. gas.
He's not limiting himself to oil, but he's see's the imperative for a new paradigmn.
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2008, 03:25:44 PM »
The speculators do the most damage, as FDR said in his inaugural address in 1933 "unscrupulous moneychangers" Edmund Burke said the same thing just before the French Revolution, not to say the execs don't have a hand in taking those profits but it's the publics opinion and fear that drive this machine.

My dad said the same thing. He worked with Unocal for liek 32 years. He said the laws of supply and demand arent at work in this case because there is so much fossil and refining has gotten so efficent, it will be hundreds of years before we see the supply of oil fall..spectulation is whats driving it up

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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2008, 03:48:52 PM »
I think we could turn it around. I think the oil companies need to look at themselves as enegy companies instead of oil companies. If I were Mobil I'd want to be around in 500 years or so...find the next thing.

They are in the phase of latching on look at T Boone Pickens windfarm, and BP's windfarms, but why switch over to turbine energy when money is still to be had with the black gold.
Energy companies make the most out of any company in the world, 13 trillion +

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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2008, 04:19:04 PM »
They are in the phase of latching on look at T Boone Pickens windfarm, and BP's windfarms, but why switch over to turbine energy when money is still to be had with the black gold.
Energy companies make the most out of any company in the world, 13 trillion +
Wind Farms are unreliable, Wind Farms require backup generators encase there is no wind. In Texas these idling back-up generators use as much energy as the wind farm.
http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzM5MzFhNmFjZmQ2Nzk5NGQzYmNkMjI5ZDc4N2YyYTU=

Wind Power requires a 100% back-up and types of load shedding.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/oil-veteran-boone-pickens-makes-2bn-gamble-on-wind-farm-in-texas-829328.html
Big money is made in Federal grants that do not help to solve the energy problems. That is what Pickens is banking on, that and not owning the natural gas back-up generators nor the regulating power grid and transformation.

You want reliable energy. Then look at nuclear or large scale hydro, or even Natural Gas cogen attached to buildings.

Also there is plenty of easy access coal. Look at CO2 sequestration.
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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2008, 04:21:22 PM »
I agree with nuclear.
Thanks for the links on the wind farms
Your right, alot of grants going to "alternative energy sources" but umm they are not going anywhere.

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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2008, 04:39:41 PM »
Interesting comments.

240, did you see a_joker's statement & links?  It looks like the democratic congress may have stopped Bush from acting...


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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2008, 10:34:09 PM »
'granolas'?

dude, he invaded iraq because he felt like it.   the granolas didn't stop him then.

you're saying bush gives a flying shit what greenpeace thinks of drilling?

dude, the $ is in foreign oil, that's why he's behind it.  Everytime I hear someone say bush doesn't drilll domestically because of the libs, i have to laugh.  He'll borrow $1 tril per year against the lib wishes, and continue a war, but he won't dig alaska huh?

LMAO...

Thanks Rob, every week I find someone who seems to post the most retarded quote of the week.........congrats, you won this week!

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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2008, 10:49:03 PM »
Wind Farms are unreliable, Wind Farms require backup generators encase there is no wind. In Texas these idling back-up generators use as much energy as the wind farm.
http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzM5MzFhNmFjZmQ2Nzk5NGQzYmNkMjI5ZDc4N2YyYTU=



I just read that article and it does not back up what you claim, jackass.  Don't waste our time posting bullshit.

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Re: Don't blame us for prices - oil execs
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2008, 06:44:11 AM »
Information from CNN this AM talked about republican senators trying to get drilling passed in Anwr and other areas that has been blocked by environmentalists and democrats.

Here's another link.  240, looks like Bush has tried to push for more domestic drilling (I don't know how hard though). 
http://aprn.org/2008/04/29/president-pushes-for-anwr-drilling/

All the oil execs said the main reason for increase in crude oil prices was world-wide demand and all suggested allowing more drilling here at home to increase supply.  This is now a must IMO, until we can explore effective, alternative energy sources.  Tax subsidies should be cut off to the oil companies unless they are investing in new energy technology.


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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2008, 07:14:22 AM »
Information from CNN this AM talked about republican senators trying to get drilling passed in Anwr and other areas that has been blocked by environmentalists and democrats.

Here's another link.  240, looks like Bush has tried to push for more domestic drilling (I don't know how hard though). 
http://aprn.org/2008/04/29/president-pushes-for-anwr-drilling/

All the oil execs said the main reason for increased in crude oil prices was world-wide demand and all suggested allowing more drilling here at home to increase supply.  This is now a must IMO, until we can explore effective, alternative energy sources.  Tax subsidies should be cut off to the oil companies unless they are investing in new energy technology.

So what if Tax subsidies are cut off, you think that money is going to go back to the taxpayers?

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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2008, 07:33:18 AM »
I just read that article and it does not back up what you claim, jackass.  Don't waste our time posting bullshit.
Camus,
Which part, wind power isn't reliable, or that wind power doesn't require standby generation,
http://www.ncpa.org/prs/tst/20040501hsburnett.htm
Because of intermittency problems, wind farms need conventional power plants to supplement the power they do supply. Bringing a conventional power plant on line to supply power is not as simple as turning on a switch; therefore most “redundant” fossil fuel power stations must run, even if at reduced levels, continuously. Accordingly, very little fossil-fired electricity will be displaced and few emissions will be avoided because fossil-fueled units (operating at less than their peak capacity and efficiency or operating in “spinning reserve” mode – which means they are emitting more pollution per energy produced than if operating at peak efficiency, imagine a car idling near train tracks in case the power goes out) must be kept immediately available to supply electricity when the output from wind turbines drop because wind speed slows or falls below minimums required to power the turbines. Kilowatt-hours produced by wind turbines cannot be assumed displace the emissions associated with an equal number of kWh from fossil-fueled generating units. Combined with the pollutants emitted and CO2 released in the manufacture and maintenance of wind towers and their associated infrastructure, substituting wind power for fossil fuels does not improve air quality very much.
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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2008, 09:53:14 AM »
Thanks Rob, every week I find someone who seems to post the most retarded quote of the week.........congrats, you won this week!

Joe,

Saddam gave the UN the inspections he demanded.  They found nothing.  He attacked anyway.  He now admits there were not WMD, as does Rove and Cheney.

These are facts.

He attacked because he wanted to.  He didn't HAVE to.  It was an elective war.

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« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2008, 10:25:49 AM »
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