"Chubby" Yates 1994

[Option D]

  Moron, Zane was not that much smaller than the other guys while having less flaws, and this is why he won. He didn't win because he was more aesthetic, but because all the competitors that outmassed him had too many imbalances to win. If you read my post - obviously not the case -, then you'd know I said that the biggest guy wins as long as he doesen't have severe imbalances or came in bad shape. All Zane's competitors either came in soft or had severe imbalances and hence zane won. And moron, show exactly how you have proven me wrong? All Mr.Olympias have been the least flawed among the big bodybuilders - eg. Oliva, Arnold, Haney, Dorian, Ronnie, etc. All these guys competed above 240 lbs except for Arnold who competed at a heavest bodyweight of 237 lbs. So I am 100% correct: Mr.Olympia is the biggest guy with the least muscular imbalances.

fucktard dorian looked like shit..  his thick ass waist was severely imbalanced

[JohnnyVegas]

the iron agers might be onto something

Ronnie is in his 8th month here.......... 

[CigaretteMan]

fucktard dorian looked like shit..  his thick ass waist was severely imbalanced

  Wow, what a deep analysis. So Shawn Ray should have beaten Dorian because he had a smaller waist, huh? Then millions of people should have been Mr.Olympia instead of Shawn, since they have even smaller waists than him.

  And moron, I never said that Dorian didn't have any imbalances; I said he had the least imbalances among the big bodybuilders. Learn how to interpret a text, Human trash.

  Dorian was Mr.Olympia because he was the bodybuilder with the best overral package. Let's see:

  - Shawn was too small.

  - Levrone had poor conditioning and was still inferior to Dorian in muscle thickness.

  - Dillet had a narrow back, thin pecks, looked thin from the sides and often came in soft.

  - Nasser had a poor back overral, was thinner than Dorian from the sides and looked soft next to Dorian.

  Dorian had a thick waist and comparatively small biceps for his frame, but his overral package(qualities minus defects) was better than anyone else's and this is why he was Mr.Olympia.

  Shawn wouldn't beat Dorian only because his waist is smaller since Dorian carried 55 lbs of muscle more than Shawn. Nasser wouldn't beat Dorian by missing an entire backside. Dillet couldn't beat Dorian with his narrow back, lack of thickness and bad conditioning. Wheeler was also too small and often came in too soft to defeat Dorian. Levrone was the one who came the closest, but his conditioning was poor compared to Dorian's and his still lacked muscle thickness compared to Dorian. Consider your ass handed to you.

[njflex]

  Wow, what a deep analysis. So Shawn Ray should have beaten Dorian because he had a smaller waist, huh? Then millions of people should have been Mr.Olympia instead of Shawn, since they have even smaller waists than him.

  And moron, I never said that Dorian didn't have any imbalances; I said he had the least imbalances among the big bodybuilders. Learn how to interpret a text, Human trash.

  Dorian was Mr.Olympia because he was the bodybuilder with the best overral package. Let's see:

  - Shawn was too small.

  - Levrone had poor conditioning and was still inferior to Dorian in muscle thickness.

  - Dillet had a narrow back, thin pecks, looked thin from the sides and often came in soft.

  - Nasser had a poor back overral, was thinner than Dorian from the sides and looked soft next to Dorian.

  Dorian had a thick waist and comparatively small biceps for his frame, but his overral package(qualities minus defects) was better than anyone else's and this is why he was Mr.Olympia.

  Shawn wouldn't beat Dorian only because his waist is smaller since Dorian carried 55 lbs of muscle more than Shawn. Nasser wouldn't beat Dorian by missing an entire backside. Dillet couldn't beat Dorian with his narrow back, lack of thickness and bad conditioning. Wheeler was also too small and often came in too soft to defeat Dorian. Levrone was the one who came the closest, but his conditioning was poor compared to Dorian's and his still lacked muscle thickness compared to Dorian. Consider your ass handed to you.

levrone 1st olympia he smaller than yates but skinned,and had superior shape to yates who's muscle shape was more jagged than rounded and full as say kev's.ray also superior shape to yates,if you are judging as most olympias as the most dense and muscle development one human can carry then yes yates,cutler,coleman,haney set examples for there olympia runs,but each winner had there fair share of either being out conditioned or being beaten by a more complete looking bber,but size seems to rule the roost when it comes to mr olympia.

[d0nny2600]

  Wow, what a deep analysis. So Shawn Ray should have beaten Dorian because he had a smaller waist, huh? Then millions of people should have been Mr.Olympia instead of Shawn, since they have even smaller waists than him.

  And moron, I never said that Dorian didn't have any imbalances; I said he had the least imbalances among the big bodybuilders. Learn how to interpret a text, Human trash.

  Dorian was Mr.Olympia because he was the bodybuilder with the best overral package. Let's see:

  - Shawn was too small.

  - Levrone had poor conditioning and was still inferior to Dorian in muscle thickness.

  - Dillet had a narrow back, thin pecks, looked thin from the sides and often came in soft.

  - Nasser had a poor back overral, was thinner than Dorian from the sides and looked soft next to Dorian.

  Dorian had a thick waist and comparatively small biceps for his frame, but his overral package(qualities minus defects) was better than anyone else's and this is why he was Mr.Olympia.

  Shawn wouldn't beat Dorian only because his waist is smaller since Dorian carried 55 lbs of muscle more than Shawn. Nasser wouldn't beat Dorian by missing an entire backside. Dillet couldn't beat Dorian with his narrow back, lack of thickness and bad conditioning. Wheeler was also too small and often came in too soft to defeat Dorian. Levrone was the one who came the closest, but his conditioning was poor compared to Dorian's and his still lacked muscle thickness compared to Dorian. Consider your ass handed to you.

Correct! Good Post.

[Option D]

  Wow, what a deep analysis. So Shawn Ray should have beaten Dorian because he had a smaller waist, huh? Then millions of people should have been Mr.Olympia instead of Shawn, since they have even smaller waists than him.

  And moron, I never said that Dorian didn't have any imbalances; I said he had the least imbalances among the big bodybuilders. Learn how to interpret a text, Human trash.

  Dorian was Mr.Olympia because he was the bodybuilder with the best overral package. Let's see:

  - Shawn was too small.

  - Levrone had poor conditioning and was still inferior to Dorian in muscle thickness.

  - Dillet had a narrow back, thin pecks, looked thin from the sides and often came in soft.

  - Nasser had a poor back overral, was thinner than Dorian from the sides and looked soft next to Dorian.

  Dorian had a thick waist and comparatively small biceps for his frame, but his overral package(qualities minus defects) was better than anyone else's and this is why he was Mr.Olympia.

  Shawn wouldn't beat Dorian only because his waist is smaller since Dorian carried 55 lbs of muscle more than Shawn. Nasser wouldn't beat Dorian by missing an entire backside. Dillet couldn't beat Dorian with his narrow back, lack of thickness and bad conditioning. Wheeler was also too small and often came in too soft to defeat Dorian. Levrone was the one who came the closest, but his conditioning was poor compared to Dorian's and his still lacked muscle thickness compared to Dorian. Consider your ass handed to you.

paragraph meltdown man.
..i dont give in-depth analysis because it dosent mean that much to me...but what i do know is that shawn is a better body builder that year...as far as pure bodybuilding..shawn wins..yates looked bad. And he won that year, but so did jay cutler this year, but that dont make him the best bodybuilder on the stage...you know this sport is subject to judges who need their glasses cleaned...

do me a favor and relax. go watch some video tapes of yates in 94 and whack off, i dont know...do what ever you have to do to relax..

"consider my ass handed to me"....dude seriously...take it easy...it aint that serious

[bodybuilder1234]

paragraph meltdown man.
..i dont give in-depth analysis because it dosent mean that much to me...but what i do know is that shawn is a better body builder that year...as far as pure bodybuilding..shawn wins..yates looked bad. And he won that year, but so did jay cutler this year, but that dont make him the best bodybuilder on the stage...you know this sport is subject to judges who need their glasses cleaned...

do me a favor and relax. go watch some video tapes of yates in 94 and whack off, i dont know...do what ever you have to do to relax..

"consider my ass handed to me"....dude seriously...take it easy...it aint that serious

Meltdown   

[bigbobs]

Nasser was thinner than Dorian from the sides and looked soft next to Dorian.

False.

[JohnnyVegas]

False.

Nassr had NO back at all!

No one should be able to win the O with such a MAJOR body part being missing in action.

[bigbobs]

Nassr had NO back at all!

No one should be able to win the O with such a MAJOR body part being missing in action.

His back lacked some detail only when compared to the top tier.  His back size was comparable to the top tier.  I dont think that translates to having "no" back. 

Anyway my post was about the false assumption that Cigaretteman and others have that Nasser is "not as thick" or "looks narrow" from the side compared to Yates.  That's utter BS.

[slaveboy1980]

Nassr had NO back at all!

No one should be able to win the O with such a MAJOR body part being missing in action.

bullshit. it was plenty big when he was at his best. it wasnt as good as dorians. and it always lacked detail. but at its biggest it was almost as big as dorians back.

and he crushed yates on everything else. (97)

in other words nasser (clearly) won mr o 1997.

[bodybuilder1234]

its hard to make judgments based on that picture u posted, its not a good view

[HERACLES]

Yeah, thats one Sandow Levronie could of had...

[CigaretteMan]

paragraph meltdown man.
..i dont give in-depth analysis because it dosent mean that much to me...but what i do know is that shawn is a better body builder that year...as far as pure bodybuilding..shawn wins..yates looked bad. And he won that year, but so did jay cutler this year, but that dont make him the best bodybuilder on the stage...you know this sport is subject to judges who need their glasses cleaned...

do me a favor and relax. go watch some video tapes of yates in 94 and whack off, i dont know...do what ever you have to do to relax..

"consider my ass handed to me"....dude seriously...take it easy...it aint that serious

  You can't counterpoint what I wrote, so you type "meltdown" and think that somehow makes you win the argument. And Shawn wasn't the better bodybuilder. Muscle size is the most important thing because that's where the word bodybuilding comes from. Shawn did have a smaller waist than Dorian, but Dorian was way too big for him and still had great proportions and symmetry. Do not confuse aesthetics with symmetry, because they are not the same. Dorian's physique was not aesthetic, but was very proportional. And Shawn didn't have a better taper than Dorian in all poses. For instance, despite his thcker waist, Dorian's taper in the front and back lat spread were better than Shawn's due to his much bigger lats. You show a poor comprehension of bodybuilding and low intelligence, and now I bet you seriously regret having started this discussion by insulting me.

[CigaretteMan]

False.

  Quote from Peter McGough, in his review of the 1997 Mr.Olympia:

  "Many people were surprised when Dorian was announced first. They thought Nasser had won. However, there is an explanation for this. During most of the show, the competitors faced the crowd during most of the symmetry round, the posing round and the posedown. Only in the muscularity round were the competitors visible from other angles, and that constituted only two thirds of one of four rounds. Nasser was better from the front in most poses, but from the back and from the sides, Dorian's superior development, density and thickness were evident."
 

[bigbobs]

  Quote from Peter McGough, in his review of the 1997 Mr.Olympia:

  "Many people were surprised when Dorian was announced first. They thought Nasser had won. However, there is an explanation for this. During most of the show, the competitors faced the crowd during most of the symmetry round, the posing round and the posedown. Only in the muscularity round were the competitors visible from other angles, and that constituted only two thirds of one of four rounds. Nasser was better from the front in most poses, but from the back and from the sides, Dorian's superior development, density and thickness were evident."
 

Of course, if Peter McGrough said so then it must be true!  Being buddies with the Weiders and an exec of Flex Magazine his opinion was not far from that of the biased judges.  Besides, you can post as many quotes as you want of various people, they don't counter actual pictures:

[CigaretteMan]

Of course, if Peter McGrough said so then it must be true!  Being buddies with the Weiders and an exec of Flex Magazine his opinion was not far from that of the biased judges.  Besides, you can post as many quotes as you want of various people, they don't counter actual pictures:

  Sure, the usual politics bullshit excuse. Too bad that McGough was there and saw it live. He actually saw up close Dorian and Nasser from several angles and in several different poses, and that far surpasses as evidence your punny little picture - that I'm sure you didn't chose very carefully, since we all know how unbiased you are.

[bigbobs]

  Sure, the usual politics bullshit excuse. Too bad that McGough was there and saw it live. He actually saw up close Dorian and Nasser from several angles and in several different poses, and that far surpasses as evidence your punny little picture - that I'm sure you didn't chose very carefully, since we all know how unbiased you are.

Pictures prove that politics are involved in judging.  Do you really think Jay Cutler deserved to win the last Mr. Olympia, for example?  Im sure you can find judges or IFBB execs who were "there" and will still insist that he looked better "in person" than Martinez, Wolf, etc. and that no one can make any judgements based on pictures 

And yes, I did choose that picture carefully because they are at a close angle and there is minimal scaling differences.  If I wanted to be biased I would have simply posted this one where Yates is at a poor angle:

[pumpster]

And he won that year, but so did jay cutler this year, but that dont make him the best bodybuilder on the stage...you know this sport is subject to judges who need their glasses cleaned...

do me a favor and relax. go watch some video tapes of yates in 94 and whack off, i dont know...do what ever you have to do to relax..

"consider my ass handed to me"....dude seriously...take it easy...it aint that serious

Pithy

[pumpster]

bullshit. it was plenty big when he was at his best. it wasnt as good as dorians. and it always lacked detail. but at its biggest it was almost as big as dorians back.

and he crushed yates on everything else. (97)

in other words nasser (clearly) won mr o 1997.

Accurate on all counts. The groupies who always fall back on Yates' back always leave out the other areas especially from the front where Dillet, Nasser and others trounced him.

[CigaretteMan]

Pictures prove that politics are involved in judging.  Do you really think Jay Cutler deserved to win the last Mr. Olympia, for example?  Im sure you can find judges or IFBB execs who were "there" and will still insist that he looked better "in person" than Martinez, Wolf, etc. and that no one can make any judgements based on pictures 

And yes, I did choose that picture carefully because they are at a close angle and there is minimal scaling differences.  If I wanted to be biased I would have simply posted this one where Yates is at a poor angle:

  Pictures don't prove anything if you don't know what you're looking for, and they are a poor way to asses a physique compared to actually being at the contest.

  For instance, most people think that Shawn won the 1994 Olympia by looking at pics of the contest, and the reason for this is that thry are basing it on their personal preference and not what the I.F.B.B looks for. There is a criteria, and that calls for muscular development, which Shawn severely lacked comapred to Dorian. Likewise, in the case of Nasser, the criteria calls for balanced development, which he didn't have due to his massive disparity from front and back. Sure, Dorian had small biceps for his size, but the biceps is a very small muscle compared to the back, and so having a subpar back is a far more serious imbalance in the judges' eyes than having poor biceps. And I called you out for your choice of picture because you are notorious for handpicking the best Nasser pics and comapring them to Dorian's worst. I have pictures from the 1997 Olympia of Dorian and Nasser doing the side chest mandatory and, not only are Dorian's pecs thicker, but his hardness is also superior.

  As for Jay Cutler, yes, I do believe he deserved to win last year. Bodybuilding is primarilly about muscle size and then all other considerations come into play, and Jay was far more muscular than Victor and had no severe muscle imbalance, so he won. Fair and square. You wanted my assessment of the 2007 Olympia and there you have it - and by the way, I was at the 2007 Olympia and few people booed when Jay was announced in first place.

[Hulkster]

Of course, if Peter McGrough said so then it must be true!  Being buddies with the Weiders and an exec of Flex Magazine his opinion was not far from that of the biased judges.  Besides, you can post as many quotes as you want of various people, they don't counter actual pictures:

amen to that.

[Hulkster]

I said that the biggest guy wins as long as he doesen't have severe imbalances or came in bad shape.

yup.

and this left arm is one hell of a severe imbalance:

[CigaretteMan]

yup.

and this left arm is one hell of a severe imbalance:

  Not as bad as being too soft(Levrone), lacking a back and thickness from the sides(Nasser), or being too lanky and having a narrow back(Dillet). It's all relative.

[Hulkster]

  Not as bad as being too soft(Levrone), lacking a back and thickness from the sides(Nasser), or being too lanky and having a narrow back(Dillet). It's all relative.

but its bad next to this: