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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2008, 10:45:27 AM »
They can give each other hugs and hold hands while Decker lets them know about their rights. We really need to stop with the whole taking prisoners thing.
That's funny too.

But can you answer the question I posed to the other guy above?

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2008, 10:51:23 AM »
Because they're enemy combatants. 

We didn't try Hussein.  We did the right thing by letting his own country mete out justice. 
"enemy combatants" in this case is right out of the new bureacratic law.  So that can't be the answer.

So the US invaded Iraq to capture a man who was an imminent threat to the US and once captured, we let him go to the locals?  Doesn't sound right to me.

Do you know the charge that Hussein was put to death for?

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2008, 11:31:03 AM »
"enemy combatants" in this case is right out of the new bureacratic law.  So that can't be the answer.

So the US invaded Iraq to capture a man who was an imminent threat to the US and once captured, we let him go to the locals?  Doesn't sound right to me.

Do you know the charge that Hussein was put to death for?

You asked "Why don't we try these guys in a US court?"  If the answer isn't because they're enemy combatants covered by the Military Commission Act, then what is the answer? 

We absolutely did the right thing by letting Saddam be tried, convicted, and executed by his own people. 

No I don't know the charge that Hussein was put to death for.   

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2008, 11:38:35 AM »
You asked "Why don't we try these guys in a US court?"  If the answer isn't because they're enemy combatants covered by the Military Commission Act, then what is the answer? 
That's what I'm asking.

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We absolutely did the right thing by letting Saddam be tried, convicted, and executed by his own people. 
Why?

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No I don't know the charge that Hussein was put to death for.   
He was put to death for authorizing the execution of 148 men who tried to assassinate him.  In other words, a valid form of self defense.

But that's not my point, the US spends billions and loses over 100s men to attack Iraq
and the US doesn't even try him for obvious, imminent threat that he posed to our country necessitating the invasion.

Can you see why that could be a problem to some people?

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2008, 11:44:09 AM »
Crimes Against Humanity

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2008, 11:52:38 AM »
That's what I'm asking.
 Why?
 He was put to death for authorizing the execution of 148 men who tried to assassinate him.  In other words, a valid form of self defense.

But that's not my point, the US spends billions and loses over 100s men to attack Iraq
and the US doesn't even try him for obvious, imminent threat that he posed to our country necessitating the invasion.

Can you see why that could be a problem to some people?


Well, I gave you my answer:  they are enemy combatants covered by the Military Commissions Act. 

Sounds like you are being a little selective with Saddam's charges.  I haven't read up on it, but here is what I just pulled off CNN:  "• The court charged Saddam with invading Kuwait, suppressing the Shiite uprising after the 1991 Gulf War and killing members of political parties and religious leaders."   http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/07/01/iraq.saddam/

What's the basis for your contention that "He was put to death for authorizing the execution of 148 men who tried to assassinate him"? 

Saddam was held accountable by the people he tortured, suppressed, plundered, and murdered (no, the murdered people didn't prosecute him).  That was simply the right thing to do. 

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2008, 09:09:27 PM »
provide your own sponge. i wouldn't want the rust and primer to scrape mine up.

your idea of evidence and mine are 2 opposite things. I'm a law enforcement officer. i believe in guilty before proven innocent. ive arrested people who have been found innocent. which is why i believe this way.

posting links to god knows what website is no good for me. putting fourth major accusations requires major evidence.



Top military figures, professional engineers, physicists.  these people run circles around you.   They need to convince you??   You're in the minority of bush ball gobblers...step back dufus.

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2008, 07:17:12 AM »
Well, I gave you my answer:  they are enemy combatants covered by the Military Commissions Act. 

Sounds like you are being a little selective with Saddam's charges.  I haven't read up on it, but here is what I just pulled off CNN:  "• The court charged Saddam with invading Kuwait, suppressing the Shiite uprising after the 1991 Gulf War and killing members of political parties and religious leaders."   http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/07/01/iraq.saddam/

What's the basis for your contention that "He was put to death for authorizing the execution of 148 men who tried to assassinate him"? 

Saddam was held accountable by the people he tortured, suppressed, plundered, and murdered (no, the murdered people didn't prosecute him).  That was simply the right thing to do. 
Hussein may have been charged with molesting a cow as well.  But he was found guilty of this:

On 5 November 2006, Saddam Hussein was sentenced to death by hanging, for the killing of 148 Shiites from Dujail, in retaliation for the assassination attempt of 8 July 1982. When the judge announced the verdict, Hussein shouted, "Long live the people. Long live the Arab nation. Down with the spies. God is great." [34] Chief defense lawyer Khalil al-Dulaimi later quoted a statement from Saddam Hussein given just before the Court issued its verdict. Saying that the former Iraqi President urged his countrymen to "unify in the face of sectarian strife".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Saddam_Hussein#Verdict

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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2008, 07:28:57 AM »


Top military figures, professional engineers, physicists.  these people run circles around you.   They need to convince you??   You're in the minority of bush ball gobblers...step back dufus.

Its funny, the Military are all sheep and idiots unless or until they agree with you.  ::)
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Re: Accused Sept. 11 Plotters Due in Guantanamo Court
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2008, 12:05:14 PM »
Hussein may have been charged with molesting a cow as well.  But he was found guilty of this:

On 5 November 2006, Saddam Hussein was sentenced to death by hanging, for the killing of 148 Shiites from Dujail, in retaliation for the assassination attempt of 8 July 1982. When the judge announced the verdict, Hussein shouted, "Long live the people. Long live the Arab nation. Down with the spies. God is great." [34] Chief defense lawyer Khalil al-Dulaimi later quoted a statement from Saddam Hussein given just before the Court issued its verdict. Saying that the former Iraqi President urged his countrymen to "unify in the face of sectarian strife".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Saddam_Hussein#Verdict


Battle of the wiki links.   :)  This one says he was guilty of crimes against humanity. 

A few weeks later, he was charged by the Iraqi Special Tribunal with crimes committed against residents of Dujail in 1982, following a failed assassination attempt against him. Specific charges included the murder of 148 people, torture of women and children and the illegal arrest of 399 others.[39] Among the many challenges of the trial were:

Saddam and his lawyers’ contesting the court's authority and maintaining that he was yet the President of Iraq.[40]
The assassinations and attempts on the lives of several of Saddam's lawyers.
Midway through the trial, the chief presiding judge was replaced.
On November 5, 2006, Saddam Hussein was found guilty of crimes against humanity and sentenced to death by hanging.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein#Trial