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Go read another book. Professors, Academics, and some of the best authors in the world stood behind Hitler during WWII and the genocide including Thomas Mann. Highly misinformed
Umm, Thomas Mann, like a lot of German writers found refuge in the USA during WWII precisely because they found the Nazi regime so hideous. Mann was particularly noted for his Sunday brunches in Hollywood. Sorry. Try again.  :-\   

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Hi Matt. Late to the party. Actually, that was the charge leveled against Diamond for Guns, Germs and Steel, although I thought he went to great lengths to argue against such a determinative argument. I really did. His following book, Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed addresses this criticism nicely as well as further arguing his point.  :)

The [unambiguous] question was:

Chimps, would you agree [and indeed as stated at Wikipedia] that Diamond's contention is that Europeans have been successful [at building civilizations] purely due to environmental forces?  That European civilization is purely a result of environmental need rather than an innate ability?  That the success of Europeans at civilization building isn't based in genetics, but rather, is environmental?  That the driver is to be found within a groups reaction to ecological factors rather than anything at the ethnocentric level thereof?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Diamond

Would you agree?

To be clear, the above rhetorical question stated Diamond's position; I'm simply seeking clarification from you that the above Diamond position is one you fully agree with?  After all, you have already stated you defer to Diamond, or has that now changed?

Do you agree with Diamond's notion re: environment, not genetics?
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I think a brain dissection is in order here... this behaviour is so aberrant it would indicate a total lack of empathy, which most probably is the result of some sort of syndrome, pathology or genetic variation.

This sort of thing has happened before (the BTK case comes to mind) and execution always deprives the scientific community of their test subjects.

I believe an enlightened society would study such people under a controlled environment as their actions are so beyond the Pale as to belie some sort of special circumstance... something that might be identifiable... detectable... possibly even preventable.



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Yes.  And no pain killers required.  A live brain dissection and some electrical wires touching parts of the brain.  Be a nice experiance for him. 8)

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Read a book written by whom?  The scientific consensus does not agree that what is at work here is "completely left to social factors", but clearly you know better than the majority of scientists right?  ::)

And 1% or even 0.1% of genetic variation is EXTREMELY significant in biological terms.

Who said 1% or 0.1%?  Those figures are from your mouth, not mine.  The idea behind my statement was actually that such genetic difference as expressed by 'race' would be far less than those percentages you popped out of nowhere.  I clearly know better than 'the majority of scientists' just like you can read for comprehension.

And what is this 'scientific consensus' and 'majority of scientists' that you speak of?  I can tell you this much; there's no credible 'science' that supports any biological or genetic disparity between different races IQs.  You, my friend, are making things up.

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The [unambiguous] question was:

To be clear, the above rhetorical question stated Diamond's position; I'm simply seeking clarification from you that the above Diamond position is one you fully agree with?  After all, you have already stated you defer to Diamond, or has that now changed?

Do you agree with Diamond's notion re: environment, not genetics?
See that's the problem. You want black and white;  a definitive answer. Only a moron would offer up such a thing. Intelligence is an amazing amalgam of things. Did you know ( I'm sure you do, being the smart nipper you are) that Einstein' s brain was/is measured at just mere average size and weight. Intelligence obviously has more to do with just empirical measurements; it dependent on many things like consciousness, things that may never be fully understood - yet here you are trying to offer 'definitive' explanations! And, c'mon, let's face it it, you're neither a scientist, nor a geneticist, nor objective...you're only goal here on Getbig is to be divisive by inserting your inflammatory racist polemic. You're not looking for 'clarification' or anything of the sort - you tipped your hand long ago with your Jew/media conspiracy thesis. You're nothing but a bigot who is still trying to assume the mantle of the 'intellectual'  but who is neither objective, nor scientific, nor anyone I would care to associate with. Sad.

/yeah, yeah. I know. read gould's 'mis-measure of man' before you take your toys home. that'll refute both your statistical and your biological determinism arguments.

//and the fact that you hold woten in such high regard is embarrassing. think for yourself!

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Who said 1% or 0.1%?  Those figures are from your mouth, not mine.  The idea behind my statement was actually that such genetic difference as expressed by 'race' would be far less than those percentages you popped out of nowhere.  I clearly know better than 'the majority of scientists' just like you can read for comprehension.

And what is this 'scientific consensus' and 'majority of scientists' that you speak of?  I can tell you this much; there's no credible 'science' that supports any biological or genetic disparity between different races IQs.  You, my friend, are making things up.

You have to understand that Matt is incapable of talking or thinking off-the-cuff. If he is not referring to script...he is lost. He is like Hal from 2001 that cannot see beyond the contradictions in his directives and thus he f*cks up the mission. As my old supervisor observed of an applicant, 'he'll be nothing better than a county level cricket player.' Apt, I think.   :-\

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Yes.  And no pain killers required.  A live brain dissection and some electrical wires touching parts of the brain.  Be a nice experiance for him. 8)

  The brain is insensitive to pain, which is the reason why surgeries to treat Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's are done wihout anesthesia. So putting electrical wires in his brain won't do a thing to him.

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NEW YORK - A Columbia University graduate student who was raped and tortured during 19 hours of nightmarish sadism pointed out Monday the man on trial for the attack as the one who drove her to ask for death and try to kill herself.

Her gaze steady and her jaw tightly set, the 24-year-old woman pointed directly at Robert Williams in court Monday when asked whether she saw her attacker in the courtroom.

The woman identified him as she resumed testimony she had begun Friday to describe an almost unimaginable ordeal of searing pain, degradation and fear at the hands of her attacker.

Williams, a 31-year-old ex-convict who had refused to come to court Friday but was forced to appear Monday, stared straight ahead.

His lawyer, Arnold Levine, agreed that the identification hurt the defendant, although Williams has offered no discernible defense.

"It's always damning when a witness identifies your client," he said.

Levine had no questions for the witness after her direct testimony.

'I was sure I was going to die'
The witness described at least seven instances of rape, sodomy and forced oral sex over the 19 hours her assailant was in her apartment in upper Manhattan.

At one point, the woman testified she was able to grab a pair of scissors the man had made her use to cut her shoulder-length hair to an inch long in some spots.

"I tried to stab him in the neck," she testified, adding that she cut two of her fingers on the scissors' blades. "He grabbed my hand and threw me into the corner."

The witness said she tried to stab Williams because "when he started raping me again, I was sure I was going to die."

"I asked him, 'How does this end?' and he said, 'You know how this ends,'" she testified. "I took that to mean he was going to kill me."

During the ordeal, the attacker also forced her to ingest massive doses of painkillers that caused liver failure, and ordered her to gouge out her own eyes with a butcher's knife.

When she refused, she said he twice threw bleach in her face in an attempt to blind her.

"I was burning all over," the woman said. "He threw the rest of the bleach into my face, but I was able to close my eyes in time. I was breathing it in. My lungs were burning.

"I was trying to pretend that I couldn't see so he wouldn't pour more bleach in my face. I was nearly hysterical. I was shaking and crying."

She said that when Williams started to gather up her things, as if preparing to leave, that was the first time she thought, "I might get out alive," and she started to memorize his features and scars.

Ordered to stab out her own eyes
Williams later twice poured boiling water over her and sliced her eyelids with the knife, the woman said. Prosecutors showed photographs of her scarred eyelids to the jury.

It was after the second scalding that she asked her attacker to kill her.

"I was screaming and crying and in so much pain and agony," she testified. "I said, 'Just kill me. You know you're going to kill me anyway. Just kill me.'"

But the torturer refused, telling her, "No, you're not good enough for that," the witness said.

The assailant again ordered the woman to stab out her own eyes. This time she nodded her head to indicate she would do it.

"I was in so much pain I decided to aim for my neck, and if I died it would be so much quicker than how he was going to do it," the woman testified. She said she fell toward the knife he had propped up in a pile of clothes, but she missed.

She said this enraged the attacker, and "he hit me with something really heavy." She said she believed it was her TV set or record turntable.

The woman said that after slashing her eyelids her attacker began "beating my face, my eye sockets, with the blunt end of the knife," and she screamed until she blacked out.

Tied to futon with apartment set afire
When she woke, she was alone in her fifth-floor apartment and tied to the frame of her futon sofa bed. Her attacker had started a fire, and soon she smelled smoke. She moved the futon and saw flames behind it.

The woman said she tried but failed to undo her bonds, so she tried to burn them off. The fire "was spreading really fast," but she was able to break free of the futon frame and run out the front door.

Downstairs she found a middle-aged couple who took her to their apartment building superintendent. He helped her get free of the cords and cables she was tied with, and the other man called 911.

The woman said she was hospitalized 2 1/2 weeks in three institutions, including a special burn facility. After months of physical therapy and outpatient burn treatment, her movement and mobility have returned to normal, she said.


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Umm, Thomas Mann, like a lot of German writers found refuge in the USA during WWII precisely because they found the Nazi regime so hideous. Mann was particularly noted for his Sunday brunches in Hollywood. Sorry. Try again.  :-\   

Nope, try again. He only questioned it later. He did not move to the Us to find refuge, he moved here for that reason to have lavish parties off of his wifes money.

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Who said 1% or 0.1%?  Those figures are from your mouth, not mine.  The idea behind my statement was actually that such genetic difference as expressed by 'race' would be far less than those percentages you popped out of nowhere.  I clearly know better than 'the majority of scientists' just like you can read for comprehension.

And what is this 'scientific consensus' and 'majority of scientists' that you speak of?  I can tell you this much; there's no credible 'science' that supports any biological or genetic disparity between different races IQs.  You, my friend, are making things up.


You fucking moron.

Lewontin's fallacy; heard of it?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12879450

Which scientists subscribe to it?  Dawkins, Risch et al; heard of them?

"genetic differentiation is greatest when defined on a continental basis" - Neil Risch

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=139378
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See that's the problem. You want black and white;  a definitive answer. Only a moron would offer up such a thing. Intelligence is an amazing amalgam of things. Did you know ( I'm sure you do, being the smart nipper you are) that Einstein' s brain was/is measured at just mere average size and weight. Intelligence obviously has more to do with just empirical measurements; it dependent on many things like consciousness, things that may never be fully understood - yet here you are trying to offer 'definitive' explanations! And, c'mon, let's face it it, you're neither a scientist, nor a geneticist, nor objective...you're only goal here on Getbig is to be divisive by inserting your inflammatory racist polemic. You're not looking for 'clarification' or anything of the sort - you tipped your hand long ago with your Jew/media conspiracy thesis. You're nothing but a bigot who is still trying to assume the mantle of the 'intellectual'  but who is neither objective, nor scientific, nor anyone I would care to associate with. Sad.

/yeah, yeah. I know. read gould's 'mis-measure of man' before you take your toys home. that'll refute both your statistical and your biological determinism arguments.

//and the fact that you hold woten in such high regard is embarrassing. think for yourself!

No, you stated you would defer to Diamond.

Diamond's position is unambiguous, he is clear in this regard.

What has happened as far as you are concerned, is that you have attempted to spin out vague bullshit on a subject you have no knowledge of hence your need to employ vague references to Diamond in an effort to obfuscate an inability on your part to cough up anything substantial.

You have been called out and revealed for the know nothing you so clearly are.

Thanks for playing.
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The best thing to do is to institutionalize a testing program where parents suspectible to getting kids with 77IQ's would be legally sterilized or prohibited from having children. It is not fair to anyone (even the 77IQ person) to allow people like that to be born in mass quantities, because people like this simply ain't fit to make their own way in society, and they are a danger to everybody. Call it racist, call it whatever you want, but the results speak for themselves. The society that thrives in the future is the society that institutionalize efforts that ensures that people like that is never born. It is not fair to anyone. Eventually, when genetic engineering becomes sufficiently advanced, parents with "77IQ" genes can have kids when the egg can be manipulated to ensure a kid with genes that ensure that the kid is fit to make its own way in society.

Debussey thinks a high testosterone/77 IQ person should be spent as little resources on as possible, and an execution can be performed.

Let us face it: As long as 77IQ people are in society, crime will be a huge problem, no matter how much money and shit you throw at them.

Sterilize them and then put them into indentured servitude.


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You fucking moron.

Lewontin's fallacy; heard of it?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12879450

Which scientists subscribe to it?  Dawkins, Risch et al; heard of them?

"genetic differentiation is greatest when defined on a continental basis" - Neil Risch

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=139378

Meltdown.

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No, you stated you would defer to Diamond.

Diamond's position is unambiguous, he is clear in this regard.

What has happened as far as you are concerned, is that you have attempted to spin out vague bullshit on a subject you have no knowledge of hence your need to employ vague references to Diamond in an effort to obfuscate an inability on your part to cough up anything substantial.

You have been called out and revealed for the know nothing you so clearly are.

Thanks for playing.
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/even your 'dis' is unoriginal

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Then you'd be no better as this is pretty much what he did to that poor girl.
What ever happened to "an eye for an eye". 

Would you feel differently if the girl was your wife/girlfriend, sister or daughter?
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MattCock = winning this discussions over retards like "Jon Sande" once again.

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MattCock = winning this discussions over retards like "Jon Sande" once again.

Yes I am and thank you for pointing it out.  I'm not going to go easy on the raft of morons on this board ever again.  I'm going to embarrass them every chance I get.  It's fun making them look like idiots who have no clue what they're talking about.
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Yes I am and thank you for pointing it out.  I'm not going to go easy on the raft of morons on this board ever again.  I'm going to embarrass them every chance I get.  It's fun making them look like idiots who have no clue what they're talking about.


Remember what Debussey wrote in that PM baby: The # of people with very high IQ's (or lower IQ people that has made an extraordinary effort to become enlightened/generally knowledgeable) = very few, perhaps 2 - 5% in a WESTERN society.

You have to learn to deal with morons wherever you go.

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regardless of how you feel about race everyone should agree he deserves the death sentence for what he did,.
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Yes.  And no pain killers required.  A live brain dissection and some electrical wires touching parts of the brain.  Be a nice experiance for him. 8)
id love to stick my cock into his exposed brain.

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A person that has to make someone look bad in intellect to prove their noteworthy intellect proves they have a mind of a child, or lack of maturity....Lack of maturity shows lack of intellect and wisdom....

What does this mean in the long run? absolutely nothing...Does not take much intellect and wisdom to be successful in this world, and being successful in this society is all that matters....

However, you can have good intellect and wisdom and be unsuccesful and living in absolute poverty....

In short though, its easy to look like a fool either way....Which if you dont really mind or care, that does not matter either...That is where confidence, and self esteem comes into play i guess....

Anyways, all the statistics and logic put forth in these arguements on who has the lowest IQs "proven" by genetics does not make any sense to me...In other words, saying black people have lower intelligence as any other race to me personally, is superbly rediculous....My OWN common sense does not compute this as possible....Infact, this belief that black people are inferior physically and mentally has gone on for a couple of centuries that im aware of, most notably in our own american history....Knowing that, i believe personally that the science behind proving that black people are inferior is superbly racist, and biased....


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Remember what Debussey wrote in that PM baby: The # of people with very high IQ's (or lower IQ people that has made an extraordinary effort to become enlightened/generally knowledgeable) = very few, perhaps 2 - 5% in a WESTERN society.

You have to learn to deal with morons wherever you go.

Yes. Morons:

I was in staples recently making a small purchase. I was due about 4 dollars and change back from my $20 bill.

The post high school cashier became so befuddled at counting the change...even having difficulty opening the register (I mean, you hadda be there)...and, being pressed for time as I always am...I told the next person in line that she looked like a nice lady and she could have my change, as I could not tolerate waiting and experiencing the kid's ineptitude any longer.

Morons everywhere.

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A person that has to make someone look bad in intellect to prove their noteworthy intellect proves they have a mind of a child, or lack of maturity....Lack of maturity shows lack of intellect and wisdom....

What does this mean in the long run? absolutely nothing...Does not take much intellect and wisdom to be successful in this world, and being successful in this society is all that matters....

However, you can have good intellect and wisdom and be unsuccesful and living in absolute poverty....

In short though, its easy to look like a fool either way....Which if you dont really mind or care, that does not matter either...That is where confidence, and self esteem comes into play i guess....

Anyways, all the statistics and logic put forth in these arguements on who has the lowest IQs "proven" by genetics does not make any sense to me...In other words, saying black people have lower intelligence as any other race to me personally, is superbly rediculous....My OWN common sense does not compute this as possible....Infact, this belief that black people are inferior physically and mentally has gone on for a couple of centuries that im aware of, most notably in our own american history....Knowing that, i believe personally that the science behind proving that black people are inferior is superbly racist, and biased....




This was a terrible post, filled with more irrationality than dinner in kindergarden. You have not understood a single thing in this thread.

Your personal beliefs and your definition of "wisdom" = worthless.

Go play in traffic.

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You fucking moron.

Lewontin's fallacy; heard of it?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12879450

Which scientists subscribe to it?  Dawkins, Risch et al; heard of them?

"genetic differentiation is greatest when defined on a continental basis" - Neil Risch

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=139378

Lewontin's fallacy has nothing to do with associating IQ with genetics and race.   It's simply an argument that refutes being unable to classify different races by taxonomy.  To understate, it's quite a huge leap to go from that to an attempt to claim that there exists a genetic cause in differences between IQ and race.  So the fact that you point out two scientists that acknowledge it's correctness (it is in fact correct) says nothing about the truth of race and intelligence as defined by genetics.

The second link, which you probably didn't even read completely before you posted it, speaks about human classification along biomedical lines; specifically, disease.  What, I ask, does that have to do with intelligence?  Nothing. 

Thirdly, I don't know anything about Risch, but Dawkins has NEVER said anything to support the relationship between genetics, race, and IQ.  As a matter of fact, it many of his books, he goes out of his way to point out to his readers how we a species overplay differences between race, and how we'd be better off looking at things from a genetic point of view.  Here's a couple quotes, both from the Ancestor's tale:

"...and voice my strong support for Lewontin's statement that racial classification can be actively destructive of social and human relations - especially when people use racial classification as a way of treating people differently..."

"Whatever we may think as observers of superficial appearances, the human species today is, to a geneticist, especially uniform".

How about this:  You find me some legitimate science that supports IQ being tied genetically to race, because so far, you're just blowing a lot of hot gas and not supporting any argument of your own, but trying (and failing, so far) to strike down mine.

And I don't want to see any bullshit about skull measurements, either. ::)