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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #75 on: June 13, 2008, 02:53:37 AM »
hussain will lose this coming election by a land slide it wotn even be close,,we already flow tons of money into mccain + the repulican party equiping him with more money,,you cant win election in usa if you are muslim that was raised in indonisia and named hussain ,,you cant win if you are arrogent black,,the polls right now are about same  which usuallyu means land alide for the republican and in mccain case it will be very very big win ,,,hussain obama is genetation nothingness and his only single chance to win is if gas prices touch 6$ on election day in eastern usa ,,,any other way he loses big,,gas wont be 6 $ by november,,it will be 4.79$  in eastern usa,,

barak hussain obama is a product of a left wing very liberal medica leaded by keith ulberman from msnbc and most of their hosts,,,the msnbc fellas will be all losing their jobs in the way they know it past november ,,usa will finish the job like always and get back into its place of greatness past the bush era which was catastrophic but had to be this way inorder for future generation to be safe,,

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #76 on: June 13, 2008, 05:26:00 AM »
When it's over McCain will be remembered as the next Bob Dole.


Haha.

You nailed it.

It's like even the Republicans didn't want their best candidate to run.

Giuliani, Romney or even Huckabee would've been much better picks.

Giuliani would've been lethal for Obama.

But the Republicans sort of just decided on handing it to the Democrats this time out.



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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #77 on: June 13, 2008, 05:45:51 AM »
The McCain girl can kick the Obama girl's ass.

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2008, 07:04:52 AM »
You're seriously missing the point.  He was referring to the election process, regardless of candidate.

No. I'm not missing the point. I understand the "election process." I'm just saying McCain doesn't stand a chance against Obama. If Obama chooses Clinton as a running mate, it will be even harder for the republican party.

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2008, 09:38:24 AM »
No. I'm not missing the point. I understand the "election process." I'm just saying McCain doesn't stand a chance against Obama. If Obama chooses Clinton as a running mate, it will be even harder for the republican party.

Are you kidding?  Clinton was far more electable than Obama.  Although I don't like McCain the fact that he's so overly moderate makes him appeal to WAY more people than an extremist like Obama.

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #80 on: June 13, 2008, 10:28:41 AM »

good point....it's because some people will vote REPUBLICAN no matter what  ::)

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and all, yes all black people i know vote democrat because their parents do.

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #81 on: June 13, 2008, 10:54:48 AM »
and all, yes all black people i know vote democrat because their parents do.

Guess you should poll more than the 3 black people you know

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #82 on: June 13, 2008, 11:08:59 AM »
Are you kidding?  Clinton was far more electable than Obama.  Although I don't like McCain the fact that he's so overly moderate makes him appeal to WAY more people than an extremist like Obama.

Yes. But, she didn't win. If Obama chooses Clinton as his VP running mate, they will crush McCain in the polls.

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #83 on: June 13, 2008, 01:46:15 PM »
Guess you should poll more than the 3 black people you know

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from my experience talking and with and hanging out black friends and coworkers, this is what i know., they all, all vote democrat because their parents did and their parents before them. when i asked one guy why he is voting the way he dows he shook his head and smiled and said, "cuz my momma do".

dont be insulting, i know and hang out with more than 3 black people.

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #84 on: June 13, 2008, 02:13:50 PM »
Every black person I have ever met also votes democrat.  Most black people are very ignorant when it comes to politics. 

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #85 on: June 14, 2008, 09:15:44 AM »
Yes. But, she didn't win. If Obama chooses Clinton as his VP running mate, they will crush McCain in the polls.

Possible.. but alone either one is very beatable by McCain.

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #86 on: June 14, 2008, 01:09:14 PM »
Possible.. but alone either one is very beatable by McCain.

I don't think so.

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #87 on: June 14, 2008, 02:12:34 PM »
I don't think so.

Well you got me there!! :\

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #88 on: June 14, 2008, 03:39:18 PM »
National head-to-head polls are meaningless, since that's not the way we elect presidents.  You need to do state-by-state polls and add up the electoral votes.  You also need to limit the polls to "likely voters", otherwise you get lots of people who offer an opinion, but will not weigh in on election day. 

If you do it this way, there several "battleground states" that are tied or the poll is within the margin of error.  This thing could go either way, depending on how those particular states fall. 

But, the liberal media loves to do "national polls", since they usually favor their boy, even though it won't mean jack on election day.

Yup,and here is an excellent site that adds up the latest polling data from every state and projects the electoral vote

www.electoral-vote.com

If you go state by state, Obama is really whooping McMaverick's ass
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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #89 on: June 15, 2008, 02:45:51 AM »
all BS aside in the history of presidential runs so many prommises where made very few kept, I doubt things will be different this time so to me voting based on what someone prommises is stupid both are all talk obama simply does a great job at telling people what they wanna hear without the person feeling like hes being told what he wants to hear, remember he only became popular because of a speech he gave many years ago a speech someone else wrote for him (maybe that speech writier should run)

people in general in america fall for anyone who has a good tounge, people fall for scams here more than anywhere else etc.

So many are voting for obama simply to show they are ok with a black person being president and thats a dangerous way of living, I dont care if they guy is black or white but lets get real all he has is tons of prommises hes never done anything for this country other than give amazing speeches.

Big problem is McCain is no better yes he was a POW but does that mean he gets the keys to the whitehouse?

Its sad there isnt anyone quality thats running someone who has done stuff in their life, turned a business around or helped make real laws that helped the american people.

And last but not least there is little anyone can do to solve the GWB mess.

Nothing a president can do to turn the hosuing market around and to think anyone will just say ok troops everyone get out of iraq now is silly thinking althou I wish there is a way to do that since its costing so many lives and has costed over 4000 lives already in addition to costing about $450 million a day to be there.

So you have 2 people running who are all talk, and even if they wanted to make things happen little can be done because of the complex mess the economy is in, only time can heal this mess.

Here is whats needed to bring this ecomomy back (yesh its a nice dream)

Give companies extreme tax breaks sshould they decide to bring jobs back to the USA (in turn giving more people jobs)

Free up some of the oil reserves we have right away (making gas cheaper food cheaper etc = more spending on other stuff)

Legalize stuff that is the foundation for organize crime, make drugs gambling and prostitution legal and you will cut the life and blood to many gangs (remember organized crime started when alcahool was banned) in other words you will make communities safer and that can only make people live and work better

Remember guys the market dropped june 6th because of the spike in unemployment, imagine if we bring our troops home or if we didnt have over 2 million people in prsion how crazy the unemployment rate would be.





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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #90 on: June 15, 2008, 11:03:59 AM »
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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #91 on: June 15, 2008, 11:46:31 AM »
Obama's answer to every question is MORE government.  Which is frightening considering our government screws up everything it touchs already.

Could you imagine having our healthcare system run the same way as social security???????
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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #92 on: June 15, 2008, 11:58:53 AM »
I need someone to answer this question for me.  I've asked it to every trendy bush hating douche and I cant get a straight answer.  How did bush ruin the housing market?  From my understanding it has a hell of a lot more to do with adjustable rate mortgages that dumb americans get than anything bush can do.

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #93 on: June 15, 2008, 12:01:15 PM »
All the folks here who say mccain will win "easily"... they must know something the presidential scholars do not...




"One week into the general election, the polls show a dead heat. But many presidential scholars doubt that John McCain stands much of a chance, if any.

Historians belonging to both parties offered a litany of historical comparisons that give little hope to the Republican. Several saw Barack Obama’s prospects as the most promising for a Democrat since Roosevelt trounced Hoover in 1932.

“This should be an overwhelming Democratic victory,” said Allan Lichtman, an American University presidential historian who ran in a Maryland Democratic senatorial primary in 2006. Lichtman, whose forecasting model has correctly predicted the last six presidential popular vote winners, predicts that this year, “Republicans face what have always been insurmountable historical odds.” His system gives McCain a score on par with Jimmy Carter’s in 1980.

“McCain shouldn’t win it,” said presidential historian Joan Hoff, a professor at Montana State University and former president of the Center for the Study of the Presidency. She compared McCain’s prospects to those of Hubert Humphrey, whose 1968 loss to Richard Nixon resulted in large part from the unpopularity of sitting Democratic president Lyndon Johnson.

“It is one of the worst political environments for the party in power since World War II,” added Alan Abramowitz, a professor of public opinion and the presidency at Emory University. His forecasting model — which factors in gross domestic product, whether a party has completed two terms in the White House and net presidential approval rating — gives McCain about the same odds as Adlai Stevenson in 1952 and Carter in 1980 — both of whom were handily defeated in elections that returned the presidency to the previously out-of-power party. “It would be a pretty stunning upset if McCain won,” Abramowitz said.

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #94 on: June 15, 2008, 12:05:34 PM »
240, you hate bush, explain to me how he ruined the housing market?

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #95 on: June 15, 2008, 12:13:21 PM »
240, you hate bush, explain to me how he ruined the housing market?

I don't hate bush.  I voted for him twice.  I'm just a little annoyed he knew about 911, six weeks ahead of time, and let it happen.

For the credit crunch on housing-
Bush took off the training wheels.  Idiot, greedy consumers rode their bicycles off the cliffs. 

Danielson can explain it in great detail.  In order to keep economy alive after dotcom bust of jan 01 and 9/11/01, Bush loosened lending restrictions which opened the door for predatory lending practices from firms like countrywide.  We used to be limited in how much we could borrow, and ARMs didn't let us borrow beyond our means.  After 911, rates were dirt low and bush took off the brakes on lending.  Millions of greedy idiots put all their retirement $ into a 2nd home they didn't need and couldnt afford.  There isn't demand - population hasn't grown much since 2001.  But the amount of empty houses sure has.

Bush only shoulders 1/2 the blame.   Idiot borrowers intent on turning that 250k house into a $400k sale overnight, are to blame.  I used to be the black sheep in MBA courses in 02/03.  "Where is the demand for these millions of homes?" I asked.  Even my professors said I was wrong.  Dicks.

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #96 on: June 15, 2008, 12:19:05 PM »
Haha, so basically your saying the american public are sheep.  I'm glad the american people messed up though, its paying my way through college.

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #97 on: June 15, 2008, 12:22:50 PM »
Haha, so basically your saying the american public are sheep.  I'm glad the american people messed up though, its paying my way through college.

Of course the american public are sheep.  And they'll all act so surprised when Bush produces bin laden this october, right as he declares a win in both afghanistan and Iraq, to help scoot in the mccain win.

People are dumb.  They don't believe evidence when it conflicts with their political alliances.  People won't admit obama is an inexperiened twerp because they're so moved by his speeches.   people won't accept Bush let 911 happen, because it hurts to much to think a leader would let people die because in the bigger scheme, the bases and oil were more important.

Most people are lazy and vote based upon appearance and wedge isues that will likely never affect them. 

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #98 on: June 15, 2008, 12:29:30 PM »
I might not agree with your political stances all the time, but at least you seem like a knowledgeable guy.  That is hard to come across theses days.  I am not 100 percent against obama, I am against the people that are going to vote for him solely because they dont like bush.  I am against people that let his smooth tongue tickle their ears.  All candidates lie, that is understood, but I dont think Obama will steer this country in a direction I want.  I am against the idea of socialism, and I believe that is what Obama brings to the table.  National healthcare is stupid, and it will ruin this country, I am scared at what Obama might do with this country.

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Re: Obama beating McCain in national polls
« Reply #99 on: June 15, 2008, 12:35:49 PM »
Yes, obama will pick up the gun control, socialism, globalization trend that Clinton left off in 2000.

Unfortunately, McCain will pick up the warmongering/Bomb Iran mentality that will start another war which will shut down the persian gulf oil exports, which will lead to MFing chaos over here when food and gas run out.

No really good options here.