steveEray and Candidizzel battle 2 the death

[chainsaw]

candy ignore these haters. you know you are smarter then them when every insult they throw at you is 'kid' 'teen' 'twink' etc. from what i have read you do indeed know alot about this 'sport'. your age is irrelevant.

keep on posting 

Only experience can give you knowledge my friend.  Candid is a foul mouth
that will NEVER get anyones respect as long as he acts like a complete Jackass
which he has proven post after post after post.

[Fatpanda]

Only experience can give you knowledge my friend.  Candid is a foul mouth
that will NEVER get anyones respect as long as he acts like a complete Jackass
which he has proven post after post after post.

experience of what? how much is enough? he has had a drug habit, been fat, turned it around. ( some life experience)

he works out and is now a qualified pt and has been/is on a cycle of gear. ( gym experience)

he has clearly read a lot about bodybuilding/physiology/diet/pharmacology.

he knows lots about this industry, how it works and the names/faces behind it. (getbig experience)

he's went toe to toe with every big name gimick on getbig and is still here.

i understand acedemic knowledge is different from experience, but everyone on here acts like he just logged in and  knows nothing.

whenever he debates with anyone, and states his thoughts on the matter at hand he's disregarded as 'a teen' ' kid' etc.

i don't agree with half the things he says but i ignore him on being wrong in regards to science or the basis of his arguments, not on his age or just his perceived experience (gear experience apart)

[chainsaw]

experience of what? how much is enough? he has had a drug habit, been fat, turned it around. ( some life experience)

he works out and is now a qualified pt and has been/is on a cycle of gear. ( gym experience)

he has clearly read a lot about bodybuilding/physiology/diet/pharmacology.

he knows lots about this industry, how it works and the names/faces behind it. (getbig experience)

he's went toe to toe with every big name gimick on getbig and is still here.

i understand acedemic knowledge is different from experience, but everyone on here acts like he just logged in and  knows nothing.

whenever he debates with anyone, and states his thoughts on the matter at hand he's disregarded as 'a teen' ' kid' etc.

i don't agree with half the things he says but i ignore him on being wrong in regards to science or the basis of his arguments, not on his age or just his perceived experience (gear experience apart)

Anyone posting PM's on a public board, is moronish.  He is taking 1 cycle, big deal.  He's read from a book to get his PT certification..  A year or 2 of bobybuilding does not = very much experience.  But then again, I've spent 10+ years at the mecca, where the best in the world train, so my definition of experiece definately is different from someone who has probably never stepped foot in there.

[Fatpanda]

Anyone posting PM's on a public board, is moronish.  He is taking 1 cycle, big deal.  He's read from a book to get his PT certification..  A year or 2 of bobybuilding does not = very much experience.  But then again, I've spent 10+ years at the mecca, where the best in the world train, so my definition of experiece definately is different from someone who has probably never stepped foot in there.

i think posting pm's is wrong, however not in this case, and heres why:

1. this steveray gimick appears out of the blue a few weeks ago, and is already pm'ing people selling gear
2. candy is public enemy no.1 on getbig for some reason, and probably thought it was a gimick trying to wind him up.
3. if and its a BIG if this steveray gimick is real then he's being watched and will only bring bad stuff to the board, especially trying to sell gear

so in short candy was in effect protecting himself and the board.

as for your experience in the gym  lifting weights isn't all that hard 'chief' you lift a weight and put it down. 2 years experience of lifting is plenty, unless the weights at golds venice tell you secrets as you lift them 

oh and the people who train there are only the best in the world due to drug dosage not lifting ability.

hope this helps

[TacoBell]

SteveE is not a gimmick, trust me.

"oh and the people who train there are only the best in the world due to drug dosage not lifting ability"
Fatpanda please dont be one of those people who thinks that drugs is what seperates them from the big boys,
it's simply not true.
10% diet
10% training
30% drugs
50% genetics

Look at Sevatese, he maximizes 3 of those factors, but without the genetics.....

[Fatpanda]

SteveE is not a gimmick, trust me.

"oh and the people who train there are only the best in the world due to drug dosage not lifting ability"
Fatpanda please dont be one of those people who thinks that drugs is what seperates them from the big boys,
it's simply not true.
10% diet
10% training
30% drugs
50% genetics

Look at Sevatese, he maximizes 3 of those factors, but without the genetics.....

i am one of those people because its true.

i would disagree on your ratios. heres my thoughts on the matter:
40% drugs
40% diet
15% training
5% genetics

simply because without calores you can't put on muscle. without gear you can't maximise calories being stored as muscle rather than fat, diet also shifts this balance in the muscle side, training again tilts the balance in favour of muscle, and a small effect is genetics which has a small effect on p ratios, natural test/estrogen levels, and responce to gear.

i would disagree that sava fulfills those criteria or yours.

he plays tennis all day (sapping recovery, and wasting calories)
he doesn't eat enough ( low calories)
he lives in romania ( poor quality food)
he may have used fake gear or real stuff - however without adequate calories it would be wasted anyway - as it has been.
also we don't know enough about his training methods to know if he's doing enough in the gym either.

cue sava posting 1000pics

[candidizzle]

fatpanda...WOW... thats really awesome of you to back me up, dude. i appreciate that. truly.

i would agree with taco that genetics plays a huge role.  i also think that 98 % of people have similar genetics though. so that being said, i think for 98% ; given that they are all training hard and eating enough protein and calories to grow, the determining fatcor will be how much risk they are willing to take in the drugz department.

steve i know your not fake i took down the private message and i tried to settle this with you... thats all i can do for you bro..

[steveeray]

I don't need your help you arrogant little asshole!

[TacoBell]

i am one of those people because its true.

i would disagree on your ratios. heres my thoughts on the matter:
40% drugs
40% diet
15% training
5% genetics

simply because without calores you can't put on muscle. without gear you can't maximise calories being stored as muscle rather than fat, diet also shifts this balance in the muscle side, training again tilts the balance in favour of muscle, and a small effect is genetics which has a small effect on p ratios, natural test/estrogen levels, and responce to gear.


i would disagree that sava fulfills those criteria or yours.

he plays tennis all day (sapping recovery, and wasting calories)
he doesn't eat enough ( low calories)
he lives in romania ( poor quality food)
he may have used fake gear or real stuff - however without adequate calories it would be wasted anyway - as it has been.
also we don't know enough about his training methods to know if he's doing enough in the gym either.

cue sava posting 1000pics

Lets not cue those 1k pics 

Except here is the prob with your analysis...
Put me on 1g of test and 100mg of Dbol (sev's cycle) and I will blow up... and I can assure u my diet is garbage.
But its not cause of the drugs, its cause of my genetics, though not in the typical sense of the word.
Responding well to gear is a genetic factor...
Take 50 people off this board and put them on Phil Heath's exact program, regimine, and diet.
Would they all grow? Sure.  But you'd be lucky if even 1 could win a local show.
Genetics is 50% of the equation

[steveeray]

If you are here for just yourself

[benz]

Im not in anyway "better than thou"
You brothers who really know me know how I am
You have to earn your stripes
They are not given or owed
And you don't just take them because you think your entitled or because
of who you know or who's on your team.
Research and do your time
Even though I've done my time I still find myself holding back on advice
I'm not 100 percent sure of.
I have no issues with anyone
This is a chat board and is for information only like Ron has said.
Also what happens in my life is my life and if someone tries to take down me
or my family it is at that time personal. If I try to help someone then take it or leave it.
We have not taken any charity from anyone.
People have helped us from time to time.
I guess what I'm trying to say is.
Dont come on this board

is it skunk? or mexi weed? lol 

[Fatpanda]

Lets not cue those 1k pics 

Except here is the prob with your analysis...
Put me on 1g of test and 100mg of Dbol (sev's cycle) and I will blow up... and I can assure u my diet is garbage.
But its not cause of the drugs, its cause of my genetics, though not in the typical sense of the word.
Responding well to gear is a genetic factor...
Take 50 people off this board and put them on Phil Heath's exact program, regimine, and diet.
Would they all grow? Sure.  But you'd be lucky if even 1 could win a local show.
Genetics is 50% of the equation

sort of agree here.
my thoughts bove were assuming if all things were equal.

however i agree there is a probably a very small % of humans that respond very well to gear (talking ronnie, markus, dorian) also i agree that genetics in the form of limb length/height/joints/tendons etc are genetic and can improve a bodybuilders appearance, but thats miniscule mr o stuff.

i'm talking for general size(mass), definition, stength, etc most are pretty even, and with the right training, diet, drug regime i believe everyone could be standard mr o top 5-15 material.

see the all drugs thread for great talk on this subject.

[TacoBell]

sort of agree here.
my thoughts bove were assuming if all things were equal.

however i agree there is a probably a very small % of humans that respond very well to gear (talking ronnie, markus, dorian) also i agree that genetics in the form of limb length/height/joints/tendons etc are genetic and can improve a bodybuilders appearance, but thats miniscule mr o stuff.

i'm talking for general size(mass), definition, stength, etc most are pretty even, and with the right training, diet, drug regime i believe everyone could be standard mr o top 5-15 material.

see the all drugs thread for great talk on this subject.

Yea I just saw that thread....

And you were doing so well until this...
"i'm talking for general size(mass), definition, stength, etc most are pretty even, and with the right training, diet, drug regime i believe everyone could be standard mr o top 5-15 material."
I'm telling you bro, I stopped competing 5ish years ago because I realized that no matter what, I'd never get a pro card, and I have good genetics.
I honestly believe that your sentence should read "with the right training, diet, drug regime i believe 1 in 1000 could reach national level npc respectability"
And I'm saying it from experience.
Had I chose to push it, I believe I could have reached the bottom of the pack of a quality lineup national show as a lightheavy/heavy.
And that was not something I wanted to believe at the time.

Think about how often you see someone in person who really really blows you away with their COMPLETE physique.
Its not that often.

[candidizzle]

Yea I just saw that thread....

And you were doing so well until this...
"i'm talking for general size(mass), definition, stength, etc most are pretty even, and with the right training, diet, drug regime i believe everyone could be standard mr o top 5-15 material."
I'm telling you bro, I stopped competing 5ish years ago because I realized that no matter what, I'd never get a pro card, and I have good genetics.
I honestly believe that your sentence should read "with the right training, diet, drug regime i believe 1 in 1000 could reach national level npc respectability"
And I'm saying it from experience.
Had I chose to push it, I believe I could have reached the bottom of the pack of a quality lineup national show as a lightheavy/heavy.
And that was not something I wanted to believe at the time.

Think about how often you see someone in person who really really blows you away with their COMPLETE physique.
Its not that often.

gh15 always says this..that anybody can be national level with 5 years or so of consistant training diet and abuse of hormones..    but i think its because gh15 has good genetics himself and doesnt realize not everybody is going to get huge off of aas tthe way he did.

assuming gh15 is who most of us think he is..

[flexingtonsteele]

gh15 always says this..that anybody can be national level with 5 years or so of consistant training diet and abuse of hormones..    but i think its because gh15 has good genetics himself and doesnt realize not everybody is going to get huge off of aas tthe way he did.

assuming gh15 is who most of us think he is..

Well I have to totally agree with you here candyass. Look at yourself, you use a ton load of gear, and your still fat and look like shit, and wouldnt be top five at a regional show

[candidizzle]

Well I have to totally agree with you here candyass. Look at yourself, you use a ton load of gear, and your still fat and look like shit, and wouldnt be top five at a regional show

exactly my point

[flexingtonsteele]

exactly my point

Good we agree on something

Cya on the in a few weeks

What are we training that day? Back? Chest? arms? Whatcha wanna do?

[TacoBell]

gh15 always says this..that anybody can be national level with 5 years or so of consistant training diet and abuse of hormones..    but i think its because gh15 has good genetics himself and doesnt realize not everybody is going to get huge off of aas tthe way he did.

assuming gh15 is who most of us think he is..

Sounds like a muscletech ad.
The juice isnt the magic people wish it was.

[candidizzle]

Good we agree on something

Cya on the in a few weeks

What are we training that day? Back? Chest? arms? Whatcha wanna do?

...not training with you..

but i hope you come to manteca and let me know where you at ill happily come and let alex make good on his threats to come "beat me up"  LOL

[candidizzle]

Sounds like a muscletech ad.
The juice isnt the magic people wish it was.

if you look at the pic of nasser when he was 20 y.o., then take a look at photos of him from 97 mr. o ... its easy to understand why he would think that anybody can become national level from aas...   the guy is on phil heath's level of genetic response

[flexingtonsteele]

...not training with you..

but i hope you come to manteca and let me know where you at ill happily come and let alex make good on his threats to come "beat me up"  LOL

awww come on candy, ive never trained with you before and thats such a nice gym in manteca. 

Come on dont be a puss! What are u afraid that a 180lbs natural is going to embarass you in the gym???

[TacoBell]

if you look at the pic of nasser when he was 20 y.o., then take a look at photos of him from 97 mr. o ... its easy to understand why he would think that anybody can become national level from aas...   the guy is on phil heath's level of genetic response

oh absolutely... but your talking about 2 people in that top 1%
I feel completely different, and I'd guess I'm in the top 10%
And I am sooo far from them.....

Ever notice how the best players in sports dont make the best coaches?

[candidizzle]

oh absolutely... but your talking about 2 people in that top 1%
I feel completely different, and I'd guess I'm in the top 10%
And I am sooo far from them.....

Ever notice how the best players in sports dont make the best coaches?

yeah or else charles glass, hany rombod and chad nicols would be 1 2 3 at the O every year LOL

[steveeray]

No Denise the Menis will mess with by day
Its my day Bitches 
My Kids said hi 

[TacoBell]

I just say no to drugs
CPS dropped the case against us.
Fully custody returned signed by a judge.
The judge even told my daughter that what CPS did was wrong.
We have filled a suit on behalf of the kids
Today is a very good day!

That is great news brother!
I am truly happy for u and your family.
Buy those kids some ice cream