Report: Iraqi POW's Tortured by Americans.............

[headhuntersix]

U realize this says nothing..there is no first hand information in this release. I could not allow this to be released if it were up to me. There are no facts investigated first hand by these people. They looked at documents and then drew their own conclusions. Thats why its on some obscure site. This shit is kinda funny, compared to what the enemy actually does. U guys all live in fuzzy bunny land.
 

Hugo..they're the enemy....they don't count. I'm not going to kill them if they surrender, they could be a good source of intel. I fully realize, where the roles switched, I'd be dead regardless of how the US treats their pows. This is a different war. U guys are so so insulated from this. Get a grip dude...the West is in trouble.

[Deicide]

U realize this says nothing..there is no first hand information in this release. I could not allow this to be released if it were up to me. There are no facts investigated first hand by these people. They looked at documents and then drew their own conclusions. Thats why its on some obscure site. This shit is kinda funny, compared to what the enemy actually does. U guys all live in fuzzy bunny land.
 

Hugo..they're the enemy....they don't count. I'm not going to kill them if they surrender, they could be a good source of intel. I fully realize, where the roles switched, I'd be dead regardless of how the US treats their pows. This is a different war. U guys are so so insulated from this. Get a grip dude...the West is in trouble.

If your fellow GI's were engaged in the act of raping a 12 year old Okinawan girl, would you intervene and stop it?

[Decker]

From correspondents in Washington

02/23/06 "The Australian" -- -- AT least eight detainees of the roughly 100 who have died in US military custody in Iraq and Afghanistan were tortured to death, human rights lawyers said in a report released today.

"These are detainees who were beaten, suffocated or otherwise died in circumstances that meet the definition of torture that is in the federal law that bans the practice," said Hina Shamsi, a lawyer for New York-based Human Rights First and author of the report.

Analysing military documents and press accounts, Human Rights First examined 98 detainee deaths, and concluded that torture by US military personnel caused eight deaths and may have been responsible for four others.
All of the deaths have been disclosed previously.

The Pentagon said at least 108 detainees have died in US custody in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2002, not counting those killed in insurgent mortar attacks on jail facilities.

"Critically, only half of the cases of detainees tortured to death have resulted in punishment; the steepest sentence for anyone implicated in a torture-related death has been five months in jail," the report said.

The military has said it has a policy against torture, but has acknowledged using interrogation techniques that include placing detainees in stress positions.

US soldiers at Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq were also pictured sexually humiliating prisoners and menacing them with dogs.

The report said that of the 98 deaths it examined, only 12 led to punishment of any kind for US personnel.

"People are dying in US custody and no one's being held to account," said Deborah Pearlstein, who heads the Human Rights First US law and security program.

© The Australian

Like I said those 100 or so other deaths were domestic accidents...slipping in the shower, choking on a Cheerio or the like.

[headhuntersix]

Yes dumbass I would.....ur an idiot. I would do more then stop it. I'd make sure they went to the Brig in pieces. There is no call for any of that shit. Big difference between an innocent 12 year old Japanese girl or Iraqi girl for that matter, then some terrorist shitbag.

[headhuntersix]

Not my call to invade..but I'm doing my part to make sure we win and come home.

[headhuntersix]

I'm defending the troops and they wa the war is currently done....no I don't I. I wish u guys would get past bashing this country..ok maybe not u but the cluster of libs on here. Ur just a disgruntled Repub without a horse in this race. I can't say I blame u.

[Fury]

Why do people care about terrorists more than Americans on this forum? 

[Decker]

Why do people care about terrorists more than Americans on this forum? 

Do you still beat your wife?

That's a loaded question, much like yours.

No one's defending terrorism or terrorists.  People are defending untried detainees stripped of the right of habeas corpus.

It is elementary to our society that people accused by the state have a right to say, "you got the wrong guy" or "I didn't do it" otherwise we have a system based on railroading people...that's Russia, not us.

[240 is Back]

Do you still beat your wife?

LMAO

[headhuntersix]

Do you still beat your wife?

That's a loaded question, much like yours.

No one's defending terrorism or terrorists.  People are defending untried detainees stripped of the right of habeas corpus.

It is elementary to our society that people accused by the state have a right to say, "you got the wrong guy" or "I didn't do it" otherwise we have a system based on railroading people...that's Russia, not us.

Did enemy combatants in any other war in anybody's history have these rights....NO. They dont either. This is as wrong as it gets. Did the nazi's or the Japs..hell no.

[Fury]

Do you still beat your wife?

That's a loaded question, much like yours.

No one's defending terrorism or terrorists.  People are defending untried detainees stripped of the right of habeas corpus.

It is elementary to our society that people accused by the state have a right to say, "you got the wrong guy" or "I didn't do it" otherwise we have a system based on railroading people...that's Russia, not us.

Wife? Shit, I'm not getting married until I'm at least 30 and actually advanced whatever career I choose to a point that I'm comfortable. I've got 99 problems, but some gold diggin bitch ain't one.

Terrorists should not get habeas corpus. Why should we grant them the rights of American citizens? Stupid, stupid argument.

[Decker]

Did enemy combatants in any other war in anybody's history have these rights....NO. They dont either. This is as wrong as it gets. Did the nazi's or the Japs..hell no.

Well then, I guess the Supreme Court got it wrong and HeadHuntersix got it right. 

So you are for kangaroo courts and railroading all detainees regardless of guilt or innocence?

That's unamerican.

Even the POWs of WWII had their day in court.

[headhuntersix]

Yeah after the war....we're still at war. Does Bin laden get the same rights. Is he innocent until proven guilty if captured...especially seeing as how he has a price on his head.

[Decker]

Wife? Shit, I'm not getting married until I'm at least 30 and actually advanced whatever career I choose to a point that I'm comfortable. I've got 99 problems, but some gold diggin bitch ain't one.

Terrorists should not get habeas corpus. Why should we grant them the rights of American citizens? Stupid, stupid argument.

B/c, we don't know if the detainees are terrorists or not.

We have a good military but not a perfect military...they make mistakes. They grab the wrong people.

[Fury]

B/c, we don't know if the detainees are terrorists or not.

We have a good military but not a perfect military...they make mistakes. They grab the wrong people.

They've released 400+ people. 270 are left. No reason to believe that after 5+ years that anyone still in there is innocent when you take into account that actual terrorists have already been released. I would rather err on the side of caution and assume they're guilty. No skin off my back.

[Decker]

Yeah after the war....we're still at war. Does Bin laden get the same rights. Is he innocent until proven guilty if captured...especially seeing as how he has a price on his head.

By Bush's definition of wartime, we will always be at war.  

OBL would stand trial sure.  

What's your problem with the wheels of justice?  OBL is guilty he'll go away with due process of law.

[Decker]

They've released 400+ people. 270 are left. No reason to believe that after 5+ years that anyone still in there is innocent when you take into account that actual terrorists have already been released. I would rather err on the side of caution and assume they're guilty. No skin off my back.

I can't support that.  I see your point.  But I think it's wrong.

The US used the same rationale for German and Japanese internment camps in WWII. 

It was wrong then and it's wrong today.

If a person is innocent, he/she shouldn't have to be imprisoned and possibly tortured.

[OzmO]

I can't support that.  I see your point.  But I think it's wrong.

The US used the same rationale for German and Japanese internment camps in WWII. 

It was wrong then and it's wrong today.

If a person is innocent, he/she shouldn't have to be imprisoned and possibly tortured.

The military should be ashamed of itself.  it is without honor here.

[headhuntersix]

B/c, we don't know if the detainees are terrorists or not.

We have a good military but not a perfect military...they make mistakes. They grab the wrong people.

I agree...but they do not get the rights that we get. Especially Bin Laden. And I'm torn as to whether he gets double tapped or stands trial. The ramifications of both courses of action are very important to think through. I don't belive he would ever be taken alive.

[tonymctones]

actually if you look at what these guys do to our guys when they get captured than HELL YA, we are standing on the moral high ground. WHO THE FUCK CARES, if doing that saves one american soldier than shit ram that broom handle up his ass!!!!, where do you ppl get off bashing the troops and letting the multiple, numerous, atrocities committed by the terrorist go unreported maybe we should post every single atrocity done by each side one by one...I wonder which group would have more to post??? GO OFF yourselves or at least be thankful you live in a place that allows, YES ALLOWS you to speak your mind w/o being publicly executed, after a "trial" that is if your lucky. 

[Fury]

actually if you look at what these guys do to our guys when they get captured than HELL YA, we are standing on the moral high ground. WHO THE FUCK CARES, if doing that saves one american soldier than shit ram that broom handle up his ass!!!!, where do you ppl get off bashing the troops and letting the multiple, numerous, atrocities committed by the terrorist go unreported maybe we should post every single atrocity done by each side one by one...I wonder which group would have more to post??? GO OFF yourselves or at least be thankful you live in a place that allows, YES ALLOWS you to speak your mind w/o being publicly executed, after a "trial" that is if your lucky. 

Great post. Shame you'll be castrated on here for it. Terrorist rights > American lives.

[OzmO]

It's not about prisoner rights.  Or terrorist rights or whatever.

It's about common decency.  Not that any of you, who feel justified when a uncharged prisoner is sexually abused and tortured and imprisoned would see that.

You are no different than a common terrorist.

[tonymctones]

It's not about prisoner rights.  Or terrorist rights or whatever.

It's about common decency.  Not that any of you, who feel justified when a uncharged prisoner is sexually abused and tortured and imprisoned would see that.

You are no different than a common terrorist.

LOL a more ironic of a term couldnt have been used in this situation for it to be common means that they would have to extend the same, do they? oh thats right they dont, they decapitate reporters, religious clergy, and innocent civilians...maybe you should try going over there and preaching to them and see what happens...LOL MWHHSAUHAH common decency lol thats a good one

[OzmO]

LOL a more ironic of a term couldnt have been used in this situation for it to be common means that they would have to extend the same, do they? oh thats right they dont, they decapitate reporters, religious clergy, and innocent civilians...maybe you should try going over there and preaching to them and see what happens...LOL MWHHSAUHAH common decency lol thats a good one

Who says I'm trying to preach to them?

You miss the point completely.

Not surprised.

[tonymctones]

Who says I'm trying to preach to them?

You miss the point completely.

Not surprised.

what is your point then? clarify it for me if you would.