Report: Iraqi POW's Tortured by Americans.............

[Decker]

.....

So what if he didn't read it? Stop being a fucking hypocrite. You would castrate anyone else for not doing that.

You or I do not know the reports that Edwards read or did not read.  So stop acting like you know something on the matter b/c you don't.  Was it the reports that were doctored by the Bush administration or the ones from the intelligence agencies?  I don't know.  And neither do you.

On the whole, Congress's behavior was negligent and appalling.  And Edwards deserves his criticism.

But that does not excuse the President's wholesale lies and manufacturing of cooked evidence to support his push for war.

Do you see that?

[Eldon]

So what if he didn't read it.

How does Congress's negligence on the matter excuse the Bush administration's littany of lies and distortions about Iraq's threat in taking this country to war?

Who would believe the president of the United States of America would lie to the American People and Congress about something as important as going to war?

Your "We hate the troops rally" is as entertaining as your multiple personalities.

Am I talking to Eldon or Ozark now?  Or is there another?

Yes, a hypocrite is exactly what Decker is.

The one person that  Decker thought was the most and best deserving of all the candidates to be our next President (John Edwards) , was a person who voted for the War in Iraq, and yet did not even take the time to read the Intelligence reports, meaning either Edwards is lazy, or did not think it was not important, or both.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/few-senators-read-iraq-nie-report-2007-06-19.html

Of the 22 senators who reported reading the full NIE, eight are Republicans and 14 are Democrats. All but one Democrat on the 17-person Intelligence Committee in 2002 recalled reading the NIE: Former Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) told a campaign-trail audience earlier this month that he had, but later recanted. Edwards voted to authorize war.[/u]

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/6/1/111340.shtml?s=us

John Edwards Admits He Never Read Iraq Intel Report  :

Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards misspoke when he said he read a National Intelligence Report before authorizing the war in Iraq, his campaign said.

"Edwards did not read the classified report that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, his spokesman said, even though it was available to him at the time when he was a North Carolina senator serving on the Intelligence Committee."

Decker is a Hypocrite               

[Decker]

Yes, a hypocrite is exactly what Decker is.

The one person that  Decker thought was the most and best deserving of all the candidates to be our next President (John Edwards) , was a person who voted for the War in Iraq, and yet did not even take the time to read the Intelligence reports, meaning either Edwards is lazy, or did not think it was not important, or both.

Decker is a Hypocrite               

Eldon, Ozark and whomever else resides in your splintered mind, are you saying that Edwards is a fool for trusting the word of the president of the United States of America?

That's what I thought.

[Eldon]

Eldon, Ozark and whomever else resides in your splintered mind, are you saying that Edwards is a fool for trusting the word of the president of the United States of America?

That's what I thought.

What I am saying is that you are a hypocrite        



John Edwards Admits He Never Read Iraq Intel Report  :

"Edwards did not read the classified report that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, his spokesman said, even though it was available to him at the time when he was a North Carolina senator serving on the Intelligence Committee."

[Decker]

I am saying that you are a hypocrite !

How am I a hypocrite?  Do explain.

I chose to support a candidate with the best health plan and a firm promise that he'd end the Iraq fiasco.  The man admitted his mistake about voting for the war.

I accepted his apology and appreciated his candor.

Bush still thinks that Iraq is the central front on terror...as does McCain.  I imagine you agree with that nonsense. 

[Eldon]

How am I a hypocrite?  Do explain.

I chose to support a candidate with the best health plan and a firm promise that he'd end the Iraq fiasco.  The man admitted his mistake about voting for the war.

I accepted his apology and appreciated his candor.

Bush still thinks that Iraq is the central front on terror...as does McCain.  I imagine you agree with that nonsense.

""Edwards did not read the classified report that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, his spokesman said, even though it was available to him at the time when he was a North Carolina senator serving on the Intelligence Committee."

"that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"

"that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"

"that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"

So you come on GetBig constantly with your anti-War links. Yet You think a man that cant find the time or the importance in reading the intelligence reports, before voting to send men and woman off to war,  is the most qualified to be our President !

You can Spin all you want Decker, but that is as weak as it gets.

You are a Hypocrite           

[Decker]

Hypocrite (Decker) read the following :

""Edwards did not read the classified report that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, his spokesman said, even though it was available to him at the time when he was a North Carolina senator serving on the Intelligence Committee."




So you come on here with your anti war rhetoric, preaching how wrong the war was, and  etc..

Yet the one guy who you think is the most qualified to be our President,  did even take the time to read the intelligence reports.

You can Spin all you want Decker, but that is as weak as it gets.  You think a man that cant find the time or the importance in reading  the intelligence reports, before voting to send  men and woman off to war,  is the most qualified to be our President, and on top of that you come on GetBig constantly with your anti War links.

You are a Hypocrite           

You know what that means to me?  You're out of your fucking mind.

He said he fucked up and I believe him.

Let's make some sense.  I know details run counter to your shallow-minded reactionary political analysis but bear with me. 

The president and his drones bleat on about Iraq's imminent threat to the US backed up by US intelligence.

They lied.

Edwards believed them and voted to give the president authority, IF NEEDED, to deal with the supposed threat.

Edwards fucked up twice:  he didn't do his homework and he trusted the president who turned out to be a lying sack of shit.

Edwards apologized for his poor judgment.  And I supported him as the best candidate.

And I'm a hypocrite how? 

[Eldon]

You know what that means to me?  You're out of your fucking mind.

He said he fucked up and I believe him.

Let's make some sense.  I know details run counter to your shallow-minded reactionary political analysis but bear with me.

The president and his drones bleat on about Iraq's imminent threat to the US backed up by US intelligence.

They lied.

Edwards believed them and voted to give the president authority, IF NEEDED, to deal with the supposed threat.

Edwards fucked up twice:  he didn't do his homework and he trusted the president who turned out to be a lying sack of shit.

Edwards apologized for his poor judgment.  And I supported him as the best candidate.

And I'm a hypocrite how? 

So he admits to a "fuck up", that sent men and woman off to War,  1000's have died, yet He could not even take the time out from combing his hair to read the intelligence reports :   "that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"

If you are as Anti-War as Decker is, then in no way is this just a little "fuck up",

and Yet this is the most qualified man in the eyes, of  Mr. "Anti-War" Decker.......

You are a Hypocrite                              

[Decker]

So he admits to a "fuck up", that sent men and woman off to War,  1000's have died, yet He could not even take the time out from combing his hair to read the intelligence reports :   "that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"

If you are as Anti-War as Decker is, then in no way is this just a little "fuck up",

and Yet this is the most qualified man in the eyes, of  Mr. "Anti-War" Decker.......

You are a Hypocrite                              

I have similar discussions with my 5 year old nephew but unlike you, he learns.  You paraphrase my statements to fit your own warped views.  It was only GW Bush that ordered the invasion of Iraq.  No one else has the constitutional authority to do that.  Only a very sick man or woman such as yourself would cast Edwards in the same light as that intentional murderer George Bush.

What should I expect from you though?

You have created alternate account identities to buttress your points.  Eldon AND Ozark have spoken.  Have you told your therapist about your 'friend'?

[Decker]

"Oh, and the reason we haven't found any weapons of mass destruction is that they're all in a warehouse in Topeka waiting for the next right-wing militia asshat to work his hatred of the federal government to a sufficient boiling point due to the fact that the local TV station has once again cancelled Dukes of Hazzard."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=220648.0

Why does this quote remind me of Eldon/Ozark?

[Eldon]

I have similar discussions with my 5 year old nephew but unlike you, he learns.  You paraphrase my statements to fit your own warped views.  It was only GW Bush that ordered the invasion of Iraq.  No one else has the constitutional authority to do that.  Only a very sick man or woman such as yourself would cast Edwards in the same light as that intentional murderer George Bush.

What should I expect from you though?

You have created alternate account identities to buttress your points.  Eldon AND Ozark have spoken.  Have you told your therapist about your 'friend'?

You can call me sick, childish, warped and all the other name you can think of if you prefer, but the truth is you are a hypocrite !



2 Choices :

A.) Either War is something that deserves a Senator reading every intelligence report he or she can, before casting a vote that could     
     contribute to the death of 1000's

                                                                       or

B.) War does not deserve taking away time from combing your hair, to read intelligence reports :  "that contained doubts 
     about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"


Edwards   choose "B"   

And Decker choose Edwards      


Decker is a Hypocrite         

[Decker]

You are a hypocite Decker.

You can cal me sick, childish, warped and all the other name you can think of if you prefer, but the truth is you are a hypocrite !



2 Choices.

A.) Either War is something that deserves a Senator reading every intelligence report  he or she can, before casting a vote that could contribute to the death of 1000's

or

B.) War does not deserve taking away time from combing your hair, to read  intelligence report:  "that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"

Edwards   choose "B" 

And Decker choose Edwards   


Decker is a Hypocrite !

Ozark, When you lay it out with such logical precision...how could I doubt you.  I am a hypocrite.  Why?  Because I supported John Edwards who gave President Bush the authority to use force to defend our country and Bush misused that authority.

Why it's as clear as day?  And here I wasted all my time spinning this untenable position that an apologetic Edwards was worth a look as command in chief when all along he was the equivalent of the murderous George Bush.

It's so damn easy.

Thank you Ozark.  Next time I'll check with you when my thinking becomes so muddled.


And thanks Eldon, for helping me see my blatant hypocrisy.

[Eldon]

Ozark, When you lay it out with such logical precision...how could I doubt you.  I am a hypocrite.  Why?  Because I supported John Edwards who gave President Bush the authority to use force to defend our country and Bush misused that authority.

Why it's as clear as day?  And here I wasted all my time spinning this untenable position that an apologetic Edwards was worth a look as command in chief when all along he was the equivalent of the murderous George Bush.

It's so damn easy.

Thank you Ozark.  Next time I'll check with you when my thinking becomes so muddled.


And thanks Eldon, helping me see my blatant hypocrisy.

Nice try with the sarcasm approach.    





 
But you are still a Hypocrite          



You are welcome .

[Decker]

Nice try with the sarcasm approach.    





 
But you are still a Hypocrite          

Look Ozark, I still don't see the hypocrisy.

If I supported McCain, I would be a hypocrite.

Do you understand what the word 'hypocrite' means?

[Eldon]

Hypocite = Decker


John Edwards own words   " I voted for the War "    http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/iraq/20071003-radio-address/


John Edwards Admits He Never Read Iraq Intel Report  :

"Edwards did not read the classified report that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, his spokesman said, even though it was available to him at the time when he was a North Carolina senator serving on the Intelligence Committee."

"that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"


Edwards was on the Intelligence Committee, it was his job to read the reports !



Mr. anti-War Decker thought that John Edwards was the best man to become our next President.

Decker is a hypocrite         

[Decker]

Hypocite = Decker


John Edwards own words   " I voted for the War "    http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/iraq/20071003-radio-address/


John Edwards Admits He Never Read Iraq Intel Report  :

"Edwards did not read the classified report that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, his spokesman said, even though it was available to him at the time when he was a North Carolina senator serving on the Intelligence Committee."

"that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"


Edwards was serving on the Intelligence Committee, it was job to read the reports !



Mr. anti-War Decker thought that John Edwards was the best man to become our next President.

Decker is a hypocrite         

Typical.

The cornered Ozark falls back on his assertions as revealed truth while plugging his ears with his fingers.

"I was wrong," Edwards wrote in a guest column published Sunday in The Washington Post. "It was a mistake to vote for this war in 2002. I take responsibility for that mistake."

Now Edwards says he made a mistake in 2002 when he voted to authorize the war, saying his vote was based on bad intelligence about weapons of mass destruction that Iraq was said to be harboring.
http://www.newsobserver.com/110/story/367328.html

I guess Edwards was looking at the white paper whitewash rewrite that the Bush administration did of CIA reports re the imminency of the Iraq "threat".

Cue Eldon to repost the word hypocrite.

Do you hear me Ozark? 

[Eldon]

John Edwards own words   " I voted for the War "    http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/iraq/20071003-radio-address/


John Edwards Admits He Never Read Iraq Intel Report  :

"Edwards did not read the classified report that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, his spokesman said, even though it was available to him at the time when he was a North Carolina senator serving on the Intelligence Committee."

"that contained doubts about the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"


Edwards was on the Intelligence Committee, it was job to read the reports !



Mr. anti-War Decker thought that John Edwards was the best man to become our next President.

Decker is a hypocrite          

[Moosejay]

Am I the only person who gets the irony of the USA having a section 100% dedicated to violating international law, abusing people, holding people with no charge, torturing people, sodomising people..........

On Cuban soil.....then complaining all the time about Cuba having poor human rights

Yes, you are the only one.

HTH.

[Moosejay]

U realize this says nothing..there is no first hand information in this release. I could not allow this to be released if it were up to me. There are no facts investigated first hand by these people. They looked at documents and then drew their own conclusions. Thats why its on some obscure site. This shit is kinda funny, compared to what the enemy actually does. U guys all live in fuzzy bunny land.
 

Hugo..they're the enemy....they don't count. I'm not going to kill them if they surrender, they could be a good source of intel. I fully realize, where the roles switched, I'd be dead regardless of how the US treats their pows. This is a different war. U guys are so so insulated from this. Get a grip dude...the West is in trouble.

You are right.

Since you are or have been in the "suck", your words are the only ones here that ring true.

Insulated...how true.

[Moosejay]

I'm defending the troops and they wa the war is currently done....no I don't I. I wish u guys would get past bashing this country..ok maybe not u but the cluster of libs on here. Ur just a disgruntled Repub without a horse in this race. I can't say I blame u.

Most of us here are with you and the troops.

[240 is Back]

Yes, you are the only one.

HTH.

You've admitted you're a jingoist, Moosejay.

By definition you wear no moral glasses.  Your only gauge for right/wrong is how it serves US agenda for gaining power.  You've admitted this much.

Your agenda excludes your opinion.  Sorry.  Can't take any kind of moral high ground and cite "the troops" as they are but pawns in the global power grab agenda you already declared allegience too.  You can't have it both ways.  Your position is a valid and necessary one - but citing troop welfare is in poor taste.

[Moosejay]

You've admitted you're a jingoist, Moosejay.

By definition you wear no moral glasses.  Your only gauge for right/wrong is how it serves US agenda for gaining power.  You've admitted this much.

Your agenda excludes your opinion.  Sorry.  Can't take any kind of moral high ground and cite "the troops" as they are but pawns in the global power grab agenda you already declared allegience too.  You can't have it both ways.  Your position is a valid and necessary one - but citing troop welfare is in poor taste.

Disagree

[Deicide]

You've admitted you're a jingoist, Moosejay.

By definition you wear no moral glasses.  Your only gauge for right/wrong is how it serves US agenda for gaining power.  You've admitted this much.

Your agenda excludes your opinion.  Sorry.  Can't take any kind of moral high ground and cite "the troops" as they are but pawns in the global power grab agenda you already declared allegience too.  You can't have it both ways.  Your position is a valid and necessary one - but citing troop welfare is in poor taste.

Lots of jingoists on the board; Moosejay, HH6, Berserkfury, Beach Buffoon...maybe even you 240...which makes me very sad...

I personally think you are too good to be such.

[240 is Back]

Disagree

I see your point.

[Deicide]

Disagree

Writing 'disagree' is not a counterargument.