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The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« on: June 18, 2008, 09:27:40 AM »
A constitutional ammendment outlawing DIVORCE

No straight person is going to choose not to get married just because gay people are getting married

The true (and only) threat to marriage is DIVORCE

I say this of course assuming that people truly care about protecting marriage and not just forcing one's personal or religious beliefs on someone else (i.e. merely restricting another persons freedom to pursue happiness)

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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2008, 09:43:25 AM »
The religious sanctity of the wedding vows should be the sticking point for opponents of gay marriage.

Fine.  I can see that.

But what's with their problem with the judicial performance of the vows--the secular courthouse marriage?  Or those getting married by an Elvis impersonator at Vegas?

I think you are on to something here Straw Man.

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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2008, 09:55:02 AM »
Most religious marriage ceremonies include some kind vow of lifetime commitment, death do us part, etc....

Isn't it a complete insult to God to take such a vow and then divorce.

I don't understand why fundies aren't protesting at divorce court

I mean, if they are REALLY concerned about the sanctity of marriage




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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2008, 09:58:05 AM »
The best way to protect marriage is automatic child custody to the father. Most divorces are instigated by women and if they knew it would mean leaving their children, most would choose to work on their marriage.

And, if there are no children, divorce is no big deal.

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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2008, 10:10:25 AM »
The best way to protect marriage is automatic child custody to the father. Most divorces are instigated by women and if they knew it would mean leaving their children, most would choose to work on their marriage.

And, if there are no children, divorce is no big deal.

well there is still the issue of taking a vow before god and then breaking it.

again, assuming one actually takes such things seriously

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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2008, 07:34:18 PM »
Marriage is a primitive, useless and wholly unneeded institution which we must part from if we are to proceed as a species.
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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2008, 07:35:32 PM »
50% of marriages between men and women end up mocking the practice.

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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2008, 07:37:11 PM »
50% of marriages between men and women end up mocking the practice.

Which only supports my position. (and it's more than 50%)
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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2008, 07:41:45 PM »
Marriage is a primitive, useless and wholly unneeded institution which we must part from if we are to proceed as a species.

Translation:

I am a bitter virgin and the future does not look good for any kind of vagina action.


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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2008, 07:47:56 PM »
Marriage is a primitive, useless and wholly unneeded institution which we must part from if we are to proceed as a species.

Don't agree.  the break down of the family unit is not a good thing for any nation.  And it's breaking down if divorces are on the rise.  Just because we are failing at it doesn't mean it's a bad program.

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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2008, 07:52:19 PM »
Don't agree.  the break down of the family unit is not a good thing for any nation.  And it's breaking down if divorces are on the rise.  Just because we are failing at it doesn't mean it's a bad program.

I agree.  Look at the ghettos.  Family Unity is not a top priority.  We all know how that cycle turns out.  Also goes for middle class as well with all of these people flipping out shooting up schools.  A strong family is needed for guidance.

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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2008, 07:57:11 PM »
I agree.  Look at the ghettos.  Family Unity is not a top priority.  We all know how that cycle turns out.  Also goes for middle class as well with all of these people flipping out shooting up schools.  A strong family is needed for guidance.

I agree, and whether you believe in God or not, a good moral upbringing rooted in a religion, like christianity is good for producing productive law abiding citizens.  Of course there are some of us who do not need laws to be good people.  just not enough.

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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2008, 08:21:11 PM »
Translation:

I am a bitter virgin and the future does not look good for any kind of vagina action.


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Fucking random pussy is fine. I am not bitter. I don't kowtow to any wench's orders; I do what I want and I never have to listen to a wench's whining and rants.

It's married people who end up fucking once a month because fucking the same person becomes a task and very, very boring.
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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2008, 08:23:57 PM »
I agree, and whether you believe in God or not, a good moral upbringing rooted in a religion, like christianity is good for producing productive law abiding citizens.  Of course there are some of us who do not need laws to be good people.  just not enough.

Absolutely unnecessary. Look at Scandinavia: highly secular, plenty of couples having children without the primitive burden of marriage.

Yours is the old argument from utility; some people need religion and marriage as a kind of moral viagra. Maybe, but if that's the case they don't deserve to be a part of society in the first place.
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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2008, 08:34:51 PM »
Absolutely unnecessary. Look at Scandinavia: highly secular, plenty of couples having children without the primitive burden of marriage.

Yours is the old argument from utility; some people need religion and marriage as a kind of moral viagra. Maybe, but if that's the case they don't deserve to be a part of society in the first place.

Are you suggesting we ship them all off to the moon?

Your point is well taken, but not the timing.  We just aren't there yet.  not even close.

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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2008, 08:37:04 PM »
Are you suggesting we ship them all off to the moon?

Your point is well taken, but not the timing.  We just aren't there yet.  not even close.

Good idea. Maybe Antartica would be a better destination for them though.
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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2008, 10:11:22 PM »
Fucking random pussy is fine. I am not bitter. I don't kowtow to any wench's orders; I do what I want and I never have to listen to a wench's whining and rants.

It's married people who end up fucking once a month because fucking the same person becomes a task and very, very boring.

You are right about fucking random pussy and it does get old banging out the same ass but how long do you think you can play the field?  Nothing lasts forever.  The game may go on but all players retire whether by choice or not.

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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2008, 05:00:59 AM »
You are right about fucking random pussy and it does get old banging out the same ass but how long do you think you can play the field?  Nothing lasts forever.  The game may go on but all players retire whether by choice or not.

No one says you have to give up your freedom, new pussy or not.
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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2008, 05:23:06 AM »
society would be a mess if people didn't get married.

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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2008, 05:37:51 AM »
society would be a mess if people didn't get married.

Look at Scandinavia; people hardly bother with marriage there anymore and they have the highest standards of living in the world; maybe in backwater USA 240 but not everywhere...
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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2008, 05:56:36 AM »
Look at Scandinavia; people hardly bother with marriage there anymore and they have the highest standards of living in the world; maybe in backwater USA 240 but not everywhere...

aside from the piece of paper, do they still have the familiy structure?  do they still have man/woman/baby under most roofs?

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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2008, 06:08:16 AM »
Most religious marriage ceremonies include some kind vow of lifetime commitment, death do us part, etc....

Isn't it a complete insult to God to take such a vow and then divorce.

I don't understand why fundies aren't protesting at divorce court

I mean, if they are REALLY concerned about the sanctity of marriage

Perhaps, it's because divorce is allowed (Scripturally speaking), in certain cases, most notably ADULTERY.

The marriage vows include, "forsaking all others", "for richer or poorer", "love, honor, cherish", giving yourself ONLY to your husband/wife, etc.

If those vows are broken, then something has to be done to either reconcile or terminate the marriage. I get your point that people are friviously divorcing. But, part of that may have to do with the relative ease of getting married. Perhaps, the whole dowry thing was a smart move, afterall. In OT times, people paid 50 shekels for a bride which (if you didn't have the cash up front) was 5-7 years worth of wages. Let's say the average American salary was $40,000. Can you imagine having to cough up $200,000 for a wife? No wonder dudes back then were enraged if their brides weren't virgins!!! ;D

What about mandatory marriage counseling? Not the kind that people get, when their marriage is on the brink of doom, but BEFORE they tie the knot. A lot of churches offer that; some pastors will not marry a couple, until they've been through their particular marriage counseling classes.

However, most pastors don't mandate such a thing. And, since the government doesn't either, a couple can simply shop around their city to find a pastor that will do the ceremony, without counseling beforehand.

The one problem I'd see with mandatory marriage counseling would involve the clash of ideas, between religious-based marriage principles and non-religious ones.

But, it's a start.




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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2008, 06:15:16 AM »
Fucking random pussy is fine. I am not bitter. I don't kowtow to any wench's orders; I do what I want and I never have to listen to a wench's whining and rants.

It's married people who end up fucking once a month because fucking the same person becomes a task and very, very boring.

Says who? My wife and I get our freak on, quite regularly. And, with our anniversary on the horizon, there'll be more consummation on the horizon.

So, if you don't hear for a while, within the next week or two, it's because the Mrs. has render me unconscious.

Praise the Lord and pass the whipped cream!!!   ;D

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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2008, 07:04:48 AM »
your just kidding yourself!

Nope!! My anniversary is in a week and a half. So it's more lovin' for me and the Mrs.  ;D

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Re: The Real Way to Protect Marriage
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2008, 07:23:54 AM »
you sound like your trying to convince yourself.

Then may I suggest some Q-tips. Contrary to what you and Deicide may think, I'm a happily-married guy.