For those who fear for the overtraining...

[kyomu]

you never get tired of posting your pics, do you?

not enough attention as a child?

I am just sharing my experience here. If you dont like it, why you dont leave here?
Or should i make this thread without pic?

[kyomu]

Kyomu, dude I'm not putting you down, I give you props for being dedicated and determined, but if you truly want to live your life training 3 hours a day, and eating clean and making very little progress then I'm happy for you bro. I've had bodybuilders and trainers try to get me to compete, I've been told you would be an awsome bodybuilder if I trained for a natural competition and that I got great genetics, but I don't want to spend 3 hours a day training, eating only clean foods, and deprive myself of various life pleasures. I enjoy training and physical activities, it makes me feel and look great, but if your training for 3 hours a day you should look like a person who trains 3 hours a day, naturals actually should train less, because it takes longer for us to recover.

Dont worry. I know you dont attack me mate.
My entertainment is not bbing itself. I also have been in taoist meditation for long time. I am really interested in the hidden capacity of humanbeing.
So, my entertainment is quest for my capacity. I want to know how much  i can do it. Thats it. No matter how i am shitty, thats not important.
Even the champ like King Kamali is called shitty. So finaly the life judge is you
When I die, I want to be very satisfied with myself saying "Oh I did everything as possible i could". Thats it.

[kyomu]

he's right- being a natural bb, you'll want to avoid bulking up too much as you'll lose alot of mass without anabolics when dieting down.

Right.

[Go 4 It]

Best of luck to you on your quest to improve yourself, just keep an open mind and experiment with different types of training and diets, you might benefit from it..

[Mars]

offcourse you cant overtrain when your on a boatload of drugs.

[kyomu]

Best of luck to you on your quest to improve yourself, just keep an open mind and experiment with different types of training and diets, you might benefit from it..

Thanx.
Just I want you to know many way of entertaining life no matter how looks painful.
Look at those fetisist

[kyomu]

offcourse you cant overtrain when your on a boatload of drugs.

Wahahahaha! That was exactly what i said to Paco when i saw my training routine wrote by him.

[Mars]

haha, i really noticed loss in strength when i tried 2 times chest a week, less is really more.

[kyomu]

haha, i really noticed loss in strength when i tried 2 times chest a week, less is really more.

But if you eat protein like pig........
You still overtrain, but you will notice that you can go much farther than you imagine.

[Marty Champions]

But if you eat protein like pig........
You still overtrain, but you will notice that you can go much farther than you imagine.

need to keep tabs on your weekly average of reps and sets

because somedays you can do a shitload

only to miserably fail doing nothing the next day

knowing what your average is by the week is key to understanding where youre at

and if you cant increase your weekly average of sets and reps (experimenting with higher amounts of certain nutrients or more calories) than you have hit your limit on what you can produce, and its pointless if you put on fat, because you cant expect to keep the same weekly average if you are cutting calories to lose the fatness you gained from trying to maximise your workouts


so kyomu has your average per week workload gone up? have you calculated everything into a weekly average

dont get all happy because you had one monster workout, because its human nature to tend to ignore or forget our shitty days with not much energy to workout at a masterful level

[kyomu]

need to keep tabs on your weekly average of reps and sets

because somedays you can do a shitload

only to miserably fail doing nothing the next day

knowing what your average is by the week is key to understanding where youre at

and if you cant increase your weekly average of sets and reps (experimenting with higher amounts of certain nutrients or more calories) than you have hit your limit on what you can produce, and its pointless if you put on fat, because you cant expect to keep the same weekly average if you are cutting calories to lose the fatness you gained from trying to maximise your workouts

A question. For you, what % of bodyfat is lean? Like BBing conetst?

[Marty Champions]

A question. For you, what % of bodyfat is lean? Like BBing conetst?

ive never been close to lean as those bbers

if you can pinch fat then you are too fat. gotta be real with yourself

if you have to flex to see a six pack then you are too fat

[pumpher]

kyomu - what bodyfat % do you think you are in the 3 pictures you posted?

[kyomu]

kyomu - what bodyfat % do you think you are in the 3 pictures you posted?

First one is about 9.
Second is 10
Third is 12.

This is the opinion of me and other gym mates in here(Pacos gym).

[tommywishbone]

Strange. I love this thread, but I also hate this thread.

[no one]

I am just sharing my experience here. If you dont like it, why you dont leave here?
Or should i make this thread without pic?

jesus christ- i was talking to 'go4it' not you as evidence by who i was quoting.

you can always depend on him to post his pics in a thread of no relevance to him.

try reading WHO was being quoted and referred to before losing your grip next time.

[Go 4 It]

Dont worry. I know you dont attack me mate.
My entertainment is not bbing itself. I also have been in taoist meditation for long time. I am really interested in the hidden capacity of humanbeing.
So, my entertainment is quest for my capacity. I want to know how much  i can do it. Thats it. No matter how i am shitty, thats not important.
Even the champ like King Kamali is called shitty. So finaly the life judge is you
When I die, I want to be very satisfied with myself saying "Oh I did everything as possible i could". Thats it.

Dude are you kidding me? I posted my pictures 3 or 4 times since I registered on this site...and for your information, kyomu was the one who asked me to post a pic  And for you information I was never neglected as a child..

[Dragon]

First one is about 9.
Second is 10
Third is 12.

This is the opinion of me and other gym mates in here(Pacos gym).

i would say first/sec/third pics are in order 10~12%/14~15%/14~15% BF 
not bashing bro you look big and compete too, much props to you
i made big gains training 3hours a day in my first 2 years in training

[Dragon]

kyomu i take it that you eat a meal(maybe chicken or steak) , train directly after (for 3 hours), than eat again? my training partner always puked when he tryed to follow me LOL

[Dballn247]

Good Lats bro.  Keep up the good work.

[Purge_WTF]

I believed the overtraining so much. But Paco says that it doesnt exist and just you are always sub-alimented.

Almost 3 hours workout everyday with super high intensity with tons of clean foods lead... this gain in only two weeks(without gears).

Discuss.

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[candidizzle]

kyomu you look very very very good for a natural bodybuilder dude

i believe its your mental strength and positive thinking that allow for you to be so developed

i DO think 3 hours a day for a natural is too much though. heck, even for a drug user i think its too much. but what do i know?

anyways, would you mind posting up your diet ? id love to see it

[Croatch]

Kyomu, dude I'm not putting you down, I give you props for being dedicated and determined, but if you truly want to live your life training 3 hours a day, and eating clean and making very little progress then I'm happy for you bro. I've had bodybuilders and trainers try to get me to compete, I've been told you would be an awsome bodybuilder if I trained for a natural competition and that I got great genetics, but I don't want to spend 3 hours a day training, eating only clean foods, and deprive myself of various life pleasures. I enjoy training and physical activities, it makes me feel and look great, but if your training for 3 hours a day you should look like a person who trains 3 hours a day, naturals actually should train less, because it takes longer for us to recover.

You know what you're speaking of.  If you're natural or train without drugs, the last thing you want, it to train 3 hours a day...it's utterly pointless.  Your test levels start to fall off, after 45 minutes of training.
If you wanted to gain more size, which you don't, you'd just change your diet, not train more.  This thought process is very poor.
I'm sure Paco knows a lot, but in short, the guy is a heavy drug abuser with a huge mid section.  What has this guy ever achieved on his own?  I'd guess, not much...as with almost every pro bb out there.  They all start juicing @17 and don't stop.  That their thing, it's irrelevant to me, but how it is.

[solida]

there is no way that the body fat is less than 15-20%

[Jeffro]

Good Lats bro.  Keep up the good work.