For those who fear for the overtraining...

[flagadajones]

basically kyomu you've already reached the maximum of your natural potential and training with a guy on steroids is kinda pointless, you just got hyped for some reasons, but it's still pointless in the end.

Stick with being natural and looking like you do, enjoying your physique instead of trying to "improve" it...for what reasons?

[Mars]

basically kyomu you've already reached the maximum of your natural potential and training with a guy on steroids is kinda pointless, you just got hyped for some reasons, but it's still pointless in the end.

Stick with being natural and looking like you do, enjoying your physique instead of trying to "improve" it...for what reasons?

i think you should always have something to strive for in improvements because its hard to stay motivated when you think theres nothing to gain anymore.

[slaveboy1980]

i think you should always have something to strive for in improvements because its hard to stay motivated when you think theres nothing to gain anymore.

spot on mars.

[flagadajones]

i think you should always have something to strive for in improvements because its hard to stay motivated when you think theres nothing to gain anymore.

At some point the concept of "motivation/ being motivated" does'nt exist anymore, you just lift weights mechanically without a second thought. You don't think about "improving", but you think more about "maintaining" what you've built, and somehow this is a way to improve something that can barely be improved anymore.

I'm not saying kyomu should stop "improving", i'm saying he should just keep doing what he s doing without taking it too seriously, and enjoy what he's doing already, that's the point of lifting weights; enjoying lifting weights, not to strive for "results" you cannot even visualize. If you stop enjoying doing it for what it is and "strive for improvements" you're going to lose your motivation over the time.

It's how you understand "improving" that should change. It's more of a mental thing than physical one in the end.

There's more hapiness down the road for kyomu if he focus on enjoying what he's doing instead of striving for results that won't even make him happier. That's the way to steroid use, especially for someone who obviously reached his maximum potential as a natural. He's taking it too seriously, he's admiring people who don't really deserve it, I thought he'd be smarter than that. He's obviously way too much into this at the moment, and who knows where it will lead him.

I think he's bordeline fanatic/obsessive with his hobby, to the point it looks like it's not a hobby anymore...

Maybe he should improve the mental perception he has of himself instead of improving his body indefinitely...

[kyomu]

At some point the concept of "motivation/ being motivated" does'nt exist anymore, you just lift weights mechanically without a second thought. You don't think about "improving", but you think more about "maintaining" what you've built, and somehow this is a way to improve something that can barely be improved anymore.

I'm not saying kyomu should stop "improving", i'm saying he should just keep doing what he s doing without taking it too seriously, and enjoy what he's doing already, that's the point of lifting weights; enjoying lifting weights, not to strive for "results" you cannot even visualize. If you stop enjoying doing it for what it is and "strive for improvements" you're going to lose your motivation over the time.

It's how you understand "improving" that should change. It's more of a mental thing than physical one in the end.

There's more hapiness down the road for kyomu if he focus on enjoying what he's doing instead of striving for results that won't even make him happier. That's the way to steroid use, especially for someone who obviously reached his maximum potential as a natural. He's taking it too seriously, he's admiring people who don't really deserve it, I thought he'd be smarter than that. He's obviously way too much into this at the moment, and who knows where it will lead him.

I think he's bordeline fanatic/obsessive with his hobby, to the point it looks like it's not a hobby anymore...

Thanx for your comment.
But i say to you.
If I have to live without the enthusiasm or passion that boil my blood, i would choose death.
So striving is the best entertainment for me.

[candidizzle]

kyomu- your diet

what is

[TrueGrit]

Paco is a drug addict. Probably been so since he was 15 or 16. Every single drug combination he has thrown at his hideous body seriously changes just about everything he can and will do in terms of:

Training - length, volume and intensity

Diet - how fat he can get (and get back down reasonably easily) and how his body will synthesise protein.

His ability to rest and grow.

It is very easy to snort disdainfully and declare overtraining a myth when you are both genetically blessed and a habitual, longterm drug user.

He is possibly the worst human being alive to train a 38 year old natural.

[kyomu]

kyomu- your diet

what is

OK.

1st 3scoop of whey and 75g oats

2nd 350gchicken 50g rice

3rd 350g tuna 50g rice

4th 10 egg whites with1 yolk 50g rice

5th Tuna 350g 300g baked potato

6th Chicken 400g salad

7th 3 scoop of protein(casein)

[flagadajones]

Thanx for your comment.
But i say to you.
If I have to live without the enthusiasm or passion that boil my blood, i would choose death.
So striving is the best entertainment for me.

we all have to take control over the burning passions inside ourselves as men, it's the point of life as a whole, and not let our passions burn us...

Others can often help you to channel your strenghts and not let em consume yourself.

passions can also often be viewed as extremistic behaviors resulting from insecurities or traumas, it's ok to give the best of yourself into something, but you also have to get something out of it, you ve got to be proud and feel better, not feel even more unconfortable about yourself. It is suposed to make you feel better, not worse mentally.

I see no point about focusing THAt much on bodybuilding .  I thought you were a happy man enjoying lifting weights, now i see you as an insecure/unsatisfied guy who "strives" for things that make no sens . Maybe you should strive for other more important things in your life. Do you have a girlfriend ?

[Mars]

yes ur right, it IS a mental thing, the same as when you havent trained for two weeks you feel small as hell while ur probably didnt lose a thing.
but i need the "illusion" i could improve with trying to do this or that training method, way of eating, etc. that is what keeps me going personally.
at the other hand if you think you cant improve anymore you wont thats for sure.

[kyomu]

we all have to take control over the burning passions inside ourselves as men, it's the point of life as a whole, but just don't let your passions burn you...

Better do little bit of phylosophy. my friend...
Why are you here? What is life? What is the difference of Death and live?
Who am I......etc etc.

I am a 38 years old man who meditate 2 hours daily since 1999. I have contemplated the meaning of life enough.
You had better contemplate your life too. Just try to live is not the purpose of your life. You are here to do something which only you know(karma).
We are not here to "live" only..

[flagadajones]

yes ur right, it IS a mental thing, the same as when you havent trained for two weeks you feel small as hell while ur probably didnt lose a thing.
but i need the "illusion" i could improve with trying to do this or that training method, way of eating, etc. that is what keeps me going personally.
at the other hand if you think you cant improve anymore you wont thats for sure.

that's not what i was saying, i tried to say that the way you understand "improving" changes over the years.

improvement may mean "i have to get this body part bigger or more chiseled" to you now, but maybe later you'll understand that just working on it whatever the results are, is a way to keep improving constantly, but without being mentally dependant  of a "reward". The reward to me, is to be able to do it.

the results you obtain may vary and change, and if you base all your satisfaction on it, then your satisfaction will be subject to changes and variations.  If you get your satisfaction from just doing it, then almost nothing can prevent you from being satisfied of being able to do it.

[flagadajones]

Better do little bit of phylosophy. my friend...
Why are you here? What is life? What is the difference of Death and live?
Who am I......etc etc.

I am a 38 years old man who meditate 2 hours daily since 1999. I have contemplated the meaning of life enough.
You had better contemplate your life too. Just try to live is not the purpose of your life. You are here to do something which only you know(karma).
We are not here to "live" only..

I doubt you started to build a family. 

[kyomu]

we all have to take control over the burning passions inside ourselves as men, it's the point of life as a whole, and not let our passions burn us...

Others can often help you to channel your strenghts and not let em consume yourself.

passions can also often be viewed as extremistic behaviors resulting from insecurities or traumas, it's ok to give the best of yourself into something, but you also have to get something out of it, you ve got to be proud and feel better, not feel even more unconfortable about yourself. It is suposed to make you feel better, not worse mentally.

I see no point about focusing THAt much on bodybuilding .  I thought you were a happy man enjoying lifting weights, now i see you as an insecure/unsatisfied guy who "strives" for things that make no sens . Maybe you should strive for other more important things in your life. Do you have a girlfriend ?

First of all.I am a married man and a business owner for 8years.

I "strived" in everything in my life. Always i did the best. And always satisfied with the result even if some of them finished bad.
So no regret in my life. I just live my life freely apiritualy and nothing like the fear, common sence,society, death, God, demons tie me up.
I just do the best and die. Thats it. And I will die in the satisfaction.

[flagadajones]

First of all.I am a married man and a business owner for 8years.

I "strived" in everything in my life. Always i did the best. And always satisfied with the result even if some of them finished bad.
So no regret in my life. I just live my life freely apiritualy and nothing like the fear, common sence,society, death, God, demons tie me up.
I just do the best and die. Thats it. And I will die in the satisfaction.

Well, whatever floats your boat. You're the guy who "strives for a better physique" for some reasons, while you're already looking better than most natural "bodybuilders", and who's in touch with a "professional" steroid abuser. I guess the outcome is pretty clear, and i guess that you have your owns motivations for heading that way, I m just wondering what motivates you to head in that direction. 

But, in fact, I don't care so you don't need to answer this.

[kyomu]

And finaly, Taoist, Buhdist, Shintoist(like me) are way different from Catholic(Maybe you).

Catholic.....God made Human.

Taoism Buhdism Shintoism.......God IS Human.

SO. EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE AND FREE.

[kyomu]

Well, whatever floats your boat. You're the guy who "strives for a better physique" for some reasons, while you're already looking better than most natural "bodybuilders", and who's in touch with a "professional" steroid abuser. I guess the outcome is pretty clear, and i guess that you have your owns motivations for heading that way, I m just wondering what motivates you to head in that direction. 

But, in fact, I don't care so you don't need to answer this.

My motivation. Quest for the limit of humanbeing(Conciousness) and remind me of who i am.

[Mars]

Theres no god but god and Muhammed is his messenger.

[YoungBlood]

I've said it before a few hundred times, and here I'll say it again.
Training MUST change to ADAPT. In order to grow, we have to adapt. Muscle growth at it's simplest explanation is part of the "fight or flight" response we have. If we do not ADAPT (the weight we lift is too heavy) to the stimulus given to the muscle, we could possibly die- at least in our primitive days that is what our bodies think could possibly happen. The body doesn't know if we are in a Planet Muscle gym lifting on the bench press, or stuck under a rock trying to lift ourselves to freedom. When you ADAPT, you GROW.

The reason why HIT works after volume training? Because you're doing a different routine (less sets especially) that the body is not accustomed to. You're are working the muscle harder, in less time. With more intensity. On the flip side of the coin, when you return to higher volume because you have ADAPTED to a lower volume/higher intensity training scheme, your body must now ADAPT to that stimulus.

The only reason why Kyomu is growing now, is because his training with Paco is much different than what he has been doing in the past. Once his body gets used to it in a couple of training sessions (this is where peoples theories differ), he'll be back to thinking "my body doesn't respond to high volume training anymore. The program might not be so magical after all."
So then where does he go from there?

[The Master]

I've said it before a few hundred times, and here I'll say it again.
Training MUST change to ADAPT. In order to grow, we have to adapt. Muscle growth at it's simplest explanation is part of the "fight or flight" response we have. If we do not ADAPT (the weight we lift is too heavy) to the stimulus given to the muscle, we could possibly die- at least in our primitive days that is what our bodies think could possibly happen. The body doesn't know if we are in a Planet Muscle gym lifting on the bench press, or stuck under a rock trying to lift ourselves to freedom. When you ADAPT, you GROW.

The reason why HIT works after volume training? Because you're doing a different routine (less sets especially) that the body is not accustomed to. You're are working the muscle harder, in less time. With more intensity. On the flip side of the coin, when you return to higher volume because you have ADAPTED to a lower volume/higher intensity training scheme, your body must now ADAPT to that stimulus.

The only reason why Kyomu is growing now, is because his training with Paco is much different than what he has been doing in the past. Once his body gets used to it in a couple of training sessions (this is where peoples theories differ), he'll be back to thinking "my body doesn't respond to high volume training anymore. The program might not be so magical after all."
So then where does he go from there?

Great post dear musically talented friend   

[Marty Champions]

OK.

1st 3scoop of whey and 75g oats

2nd 350gchicken 50g rice

3rd 350g tuna 50g rice

4th 10 egg whites with1 yolk 50g rice

5th Tuna 350g 300g baked potato

6th Chicken 400g salad

7th 3 scoop of protein(casein)

HORRIBLE DIET THIS IS WHY NATURAL CHINA MAN not get any ab definition, you are only feuling the glucose storage /growth mechanism

your insulin is HIGH ALL THE TIME

[candidizzle]

HORRIBLE DIET THIS IS WHY NATURAL CHINA MAN not get any ab definition, you are only feuling the glucose storage /growth mechanism

your insulin is HIGH ALL THE TIME

johnny me and you are both in agreement about how good certain fats are for building lean tissue and helping with HEALTH...but insulin is "the most anabolic hormone", and if he is eating carbs at every meal it more than makes up for a lack of fat in the diet.

[Marty Champions]

And finaly, Taoist, Buhdist, Shintoist(like me) are way different from Catholic(Maybe you).

Catholic.....God made Human.

Taoism Buhdism Shintoism.......God IS Human.

SO. EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE AND FREE.

well then USE your GODly wisdom and do a different diet

you are spot on with experimenting with the MEGA DOSE of MEGA TRAINING to see MEGA results

NOW LETS TRY A MEGA DIFFERENT DIET TO SEE MEGA DIFFERENT RESULTS

minimal this or that reaps minimal this or that

i know u wont give up, someone who trains 3 hours a day is not a quiter, you just have a terrible diet, worst diet i ever seen

[Marty Champions]

johnny me and you are both in agreement about how good certain fats are for building lean tissue and helping with HEALTH...but insulin is "the most anabolic hormone", and if he is eating carbs at every meal it more than makes up for a lack of fat in the diet.

insulin is storage all the time

his body is HOLDING/Storing straight up 1glucose or 2bodyfat all the time, number 1 is good 2 is not good, since his body isnt getting essential fats it will store the carbs as BODY FAT not INTRAMUSCULAR FAT(olive oil and good fats that make u look harder and feel stronger)

because his workouts are burning BODYFAT , but since his diet has no oils his insulin will change alot of carbs and protiens to BODYFAT not intramuscular fat

[candidizzle]

i agree its set up for fat storeage ; but as far as muscle growth goes the diets is wonderful