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Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« on: June 25, 2008, 05:02:34 AM »


"The truth is most American don't want much " - Michelle Obama

"someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie, so someone else can have more "  - Michelle Obama




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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2008, 06:17:49 AM »
leave it to that stupid fuckhead to take her note on what is required for univeral health care to work and translate it into her supporting a complete redistrubution of wealth...  ::) Jesus Glenn is a fucking retard.  You didn't just post this and want us to take it serious?  I guess the post office and highway systems and public school system and water systems etc are all communist systems we need to purge America of?  ::)  Gee, I just can't wait until every last aspect of our lives are subject to The Corporation ::)  It'll be so much cheaper than paying tax money for a few basic resources... BWHAHAhahahaha!!!  You're an idiot if you believe that.  Right now we pay more than other countries for one of the worst health care systems in the world.  It's down there on the list, don't remember how far if someone can post it, please do.  So actually, you and Glenn should sit the fuck down and listen instead of trying to make it sound like Obama is raising the communist flag. ::)

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2008, 06:37:35 AM »
Well, well, well, the village idiot has made another worthless post.

Thanks for popping in with your irrelevant garbage.

It's starry-eyed pusses like you Ozark that haven't a clue how anything works in the world but you think you're a rugged libertarian individual with a real understanding how things should work.  Don't you ape?

Come on Ozark, I've seen your BS before.  Faced with the fact that Universal Healthcare in Britain is more effective than the US's privatized system and 40% cheaper, this pimplyfaced fatass screams "socialism".  And then repeats it a dozen times like he split the atom.

You, Ozark, are what's wrong with this country.


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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2008, 06:51:37 AM »
Yep irrelevent huh...what in this guys' past makes u believ that he doesn't want a redistribution of wealth. U guys really oughta get out more. He's the most liberal guy out there. He wants my money to give to poor people, welfare cases...and other drains on society. It is not our governments job to be all things to all people. U wanna hug from government...move. My uncle doesn't give hugs...he tells u work hard.
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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2008, 06:54:33 AM »
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I don't think it's her place to tell me that I don't want much and that I need to give a piece of my pie to some bum, so he can live for free

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2008, 07:06:04 AM »
Its the Libs who want to tell what u can have, where u can live, what u can drive. They want to tell u what to eat, to smoke or not to smoke etc. These morons are talking about banning drive throughs in Wisconsin, because of global warming.
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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2008, 07:06:23 AM »
Yep irrelevent huh...what in this guys' past makes u believ that he doesn't want a redistribution of wealth. U guys really oughta get out more. He's the most liberal guy out there. He wants my money to give to poor people, welfare cases...and other drains on society. It is not our governments job to be all things to all people. U wanna hug from government...move. My uncle doesn't give hugs...he tells u work hard.
Hey HH.

Every president redistributes the nation's wealth.

Government redistributes money.  That's one of its prime functions.

Does it bother you that our government spends billions annually on R&D that benefits rich corporations?  It's supposedly in the national interest.

Clinton was the most liberal.  Gore was the most liberal.  Kerry was the most liberal.  Obama was the most liberal.

Do you see a trend and for the matter at hand, so what?

Reagan and both Bush's were disasters for this country's economic well-being.  It was during the Clinton administration that the Reagan/Bush mistakes were addressed.  The deficit was eliminated and the debt was being paid down.

It seems 'liberals' are much more effective at governing than republicans when it comes to the economy.

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2008, 07:08:57 AM »
Its the Libs who want to tell what u can have, where u can live, what u can drive. They want to tell u what to eat, to smoke or not to smoke etc. These morons are talking about banning drive throughs in Wisconsin, because of global warming.
In Wisconsin?  I live in Milwaukee and I haven't heard this. 

Come on HH, the Libs tell you where to live, drive etc?  Your government does tell you where to live--you're in the military.

As far as I can tell, nobody has a gun to your head telling you where or how to live.

And it was Reagan that ran with the drug war nonsense telling all AMericans they can't smoke a little weed.

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2008, 07:15:20 AM »
Weed is scheduled drug....yeah when was the last time we heard about heating our homes or what we drove from a Repub. We're told we have to "cut back" or that people around the world havea problem with our lifestyle. Sorry obama...but u can die in a fire. I won't be lectured by some worthless Lib, who hasn't done shit.






First it was a proposed ban on plastic bags.

Now, a member of the influential Madison Plan Commission wants to ban the restaurant drive-through -- or at least restrict the ubiquitous symbol of America's auto-centric lifestyle.

"Given the concern about all the carbon going into the atmosphere, I'm not sure we should be building more places for people to sit idling in their cars," says Eric Sundquist, who was appointed to the citizen panel by Mayor Dave Cieslewicz this spring.

A former newspaper reporter in Atlanta now working as a researcher at the UW-Madison's Center on Wisconsin Strategy, Sundquist notes that several cities in Canada have recently moved to ban the drive-through coffee shop or stand-alone fast food restaurant (www.ecospace.cc/culture/drive-thru-ban.htm).

"Bans haven't gotten as far in the U.S., although I know San Luis Obispo, Calif., has one," he says.

The issue came up last week during discussions over a conditional use permit for a new Starbucks coffee shop along a congested frontage road across from East Towne Mall.

The site at 4302 E. Washington Ave., in front of the Crowne Plaza Hotel, formerly housed the Frame Workshop retail store but has been vacant for more than a year. Property owner Tim Neitzel now wants to lease half of the 3,300 square foot retail building for a Starbucks that will also feature indoor and outdoor seating.

To facilitate the drive-through, developers are using a portion of the Crowne Plaza parking lot. Drivers picking up their morning coffee will have to make a circle route through the property to avoid potential traffic backups.

But nearby business owners are concerned about bringing more cars through the already congested intersection of East Washington and Continental Lane. The owner of a gas station on the frontage road said it's not uncommon for cars to wait through three traffic signal cycles to get across East Washington.

East Towne area Ald. Joe Clausius admitted the intersection is a problem and said with the Starbucks it "could get very backed up." Still, he said the corridor is badly in need of some redevelopment.

"I'm constantly getting peppered with questions from people about what is happening there and when will it happen," he says.

City officials have given their lukewarm support to the Starbucks, which is scheduled for a November opening. They say it could help create a more pedestrian-friendly atmosphere near the Crowne Plaza.

"While many future customers will likely be driving automobiles, hotel guests and residents to the north represent a potential walking customer," says city planner Heather Stouder.

Sundquist voted for the Starbucks but is planning to bring the issue up before the city's Long Range Transportation Planning Commission on which he also serves.

"I know a ban might be difficult so a better approach might be to restrict them," he says, noting an ordinance in Davis, Calif., puts a number of restrictions on drive-throughs, including one relating to air pollution.

Middleton hotel

There are no signs of economic distress in Middleton, where developers continue to pursue major projects.

The latest is from Central Place Real Estate, which is proposing an ambitious redevelopment of the 3.9-acre former Prefinished Millwork site at the southwest corner of University Avenue and the Beltline.

A concept plan submitted to the city of Middleton earlier this month calls for demolishing the existing buildings and replacing them with a six-story, 125-room hotel built over 32,000 square feet of retail space. A three-story office building would anchor the other end of the project.

Parking would be provided in 130 underground spaces and 150 surface stalls.

Given the poor soil and water table conditions, developers have been talking with the city about TIF assistance, according to Central Place president Rob Zache.

Northgate update

The Madison-based Alexander Company is currently finalizing purchase of the venerable Northgate Shopping Center on North Sherman Avenue, home of Dorn Hardware and the Frugal Muse Bookstore, in addition to 19 other tenants.

Currently owned by the Northgate Partnership, the property is assessed at $4.1 million.

The purchase would be the first foray into Madison's north side for the Alexander Company, which has specialized in urban infill redevelopment projects.

Detailed plans for the center haven't been released but could include building and site improvements, Randall Alexander told the Northside News recently.

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2008, 07:22:56 AM »
Its the Libs who want to tell what u can have, where u can live, what u can drive. They want to tell u what to eat, to smoke or not to smoke etc. These morons are talking about banning drive throughs in Wisconsin, because of global warming.
Oh yea right,  ::)  Rightwingers have gotten pretty fracking intrusive lately bubba ::)  Seems they want to tell people what they can and can't do just as much if not more and usually in areas of greater importance like that crap you psychos pulled with that brain dead lady.  Consitutional amendments for marriage, oh brother... on and on...

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2008, 07:25:46 AM »

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Weed is scheduled drug....yeah when was the last time we heard about heating our homes or what we drove from a Repub. We're told we have to "cut back" or that people around the world havea problem with our lifestyle. Sorry obama...but u can die in a fire. I won't be lectured by some worthless Lib, who hasn't done shit.
No one had a gun to your head making you "cut back" even though conservation was the sensible route back then and still is today.

The Europeans drive tiny cars b/c they don't subsidize with their tax dollars their nation's oil companies like we do.  And typical dumb ass americans are burning through oil, a scarce resource, like it's air. 

And then they complain about the cost of gas going up.  That is not conservative behavior HH.

If we act like indulgent children, we'll reap the rewards of such behavior--exhausting oil, high priced gas, and worldwide scorn for our excesses.



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First it was a proposed ban on plastic bags.

Now, a member of the influential Madison Plan Commission wants to ban the restaurant drive-through -- or at least restrict the ubiquitous symbol of America's auto-centric lifestyle.

"Given the concern about all the carbon going into the atmosphere, I'm not sure we should be building more places for people to sit idling in their cars," says Eric Sundquist, who was appointed to the citizen panel by Mayor Dave Cieslewicz this spring.

A former newspaper reporter in Atlanta now working as a researcher at the UW-Madison's Center on Wisconsin Strategy, Sundquist notes that several cities in Canada have recently moved to ban the drive-through coffee shop or stand-alone fast food restaurant (www.ecospace.cc/culture/drive-thru-ban.htm).

"Bans haven't gotten as far in the U.S., although I know San Luis Obispo, Calif., has one," he says.

The issue came up last week during discussions over a conditional use permit for a new Starbucks coffee shop along a congested frontage road across from East Towne Mall.

The site at 4302 E. Washington Ave., in front of the Crowne Plaza Hotel, formerly housed the Frame Workshop retail store but has been vacant for more than a year. Property owner Tim Neitzel now wants to lease half of the 3,300 square foot retail building for a Starbucks that will also feature indoor and outdoor seating.

To facilitate the drive-through, developers are using a portion of the Crowne Plaza parking lot. Drivers picking up their morning coffee will have to make a circle route through the property to avoid potential traffic backups.

But nearby business owners are concerned about bringing more cars through the already congested intersection of East Washington and Continental Lane. The owner of a gas station on the frontage road said it's not uncommon for cars to wait through three traffic signal cycles to get across East Washington.

East Towne area Ald. Joe Clausius admitted the intersection is a problem and said with the Starbucks it "could get very backed up." Still, he said the corridor is badly in need of some redevelopment.

"I'm constantly getting peppered with questions from people about what is happening there and when will it happen," he says.

City officials have given their lukewarm support to the Starbucks, which is scheduled for a November opening. They say it could help create a more pedestrian-friendly atmosphere near the Crowne Plaza.

"While many future customers will likely be driving automobiles, hotel guests and residents to the north represent a potential walking customer," says city planner Heather Stouder.

Sundquist voted for the Starbucks but is planning to bring the issue up before the city's Long Range Transportation Planning Commission on which he also serves.

"I know a ban might be difficult so a better approach might be to restrict them," he says, noting an ordinance in Davis, Calif., puts a number of restrictions on drive-throughs, including one relating to air pollution.

Middleton hotel

There are no signs of economic distress in Middleton, where developers continue to pursue major projects.

The latest is from Central Place Real Estate, which is proposing an ambitious redevelopment of the 3.9-acre former Prefinished Millwork site at the southwest corner of University Avenue and the Beltline.

A concept plan submitted to the city of Middleton earlier this month calls for demolishing the existing buildings and replacing them with a six-story, 125-room hotel built over 32,000 square feet of retail space. A three-story office building would anchor the other end of the project.

Parking would be provided in 130 underground spaces and 150 surface stalls.

Given the poor soil and water table conditions, developers have been talking with the city about TIF assistance, according to Central Place president Rob Zache.

Northgate update

The Madison-based Alexander Company is currently finalizing purchase of the venerable Northgate Shopping Center on North Sherman Avenue, home of Dorn Hardware and the Frugal Muse Bookstore, in addition to 19 other tenants.

Currently owned by the Northgate Partnership, the property is assessed at $4.1 million.

The purchase would be the first foray into Madison's north side for the Alexander Company, which has specialized in urban infill redevelopment projects.

Detailed plans for the center haven't been released but could include building and site improvements, Randall Alexander told the Northside News recently.
Fucking liberals.  Madison is a liberal haven.  Milwaukee is not.

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2008, 07:31:53 AM »
HH6, you fellas sure know how to put on a major production by putting your own context to something said.  Why don't you idiots just go all out tell us how we'll be a fully communist state in 4 years under Obama ::)  Make sure to put in all the gory christian brain sucking and satan worship and homosexual orgies that will take place.  Toss in some Nazi shit and genocide for good measure.  As long as you're making crap up, might as well go all out.  You guys really don't give a crap about the truth do you?

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2008, 07:40:20 AM »
HH6, you fellas sure know how to put on a major production by putting your own context to something said.  Why don't you idiots just go all out tell us how we'll be a fully communist state in 4 years under Obama ::)  Make sure to put in all the gory christian brain sucking and satan worship and homosexual orgies that will take place.  Toss in some Nazi shit and genocide for good measure.  As long as you're making crap up, might as well go all out.  You guys really don't give a crap about the truth do you?
Sure they do!

Obama lied in his commercial about extending healthcare for veterans.

You will see a littany of BS trotted out that 'indict' Obama.

What you won't see are detailed criticisms of his tax plan, healthcare plan or economic platform.

Why discuss substantive things when the man's middle name is Hussein?

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2008, 07:42:46 AM »
Repubs:
Give $ to military spending.
(Rich people like it because they can invest in companies to profit from this)
(Poor people hate it because they cannot benefit from it)

Dems:
Give $ to poor people.
(Rich people hate it because they cannot benefit from it.)
(Poor people like it because they get checks and profit from it)

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2008, 07:49:23 AM »
Repubs:
Give $ to military spending.
(Rich people like it because they can invest in companies to profit from this)
(Poor people hate it because they cannot benefit from it)
Want a strong country for future generations

Dems:
Give $ to poor people.
(Rich people hate it because they cannot benefit from it.)
(Poor people like it because they get checks and profit from it)
Don't care about the strength of the country

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2008, 07:55:19 AM »
This is going to be a blast.  Stupid of me to think that we might have some actual debates on important issues this election year.  I see we're going to be swiming in the normal sewer of "He's a commie, he's a terrorist, we'll be attacked if you vote for for him, Gay Marriage!  Flag Burning FEAR FEAR!!! Osama Obama God God Terror FEAR FEAR!!! OH THE DYING BABIES... COMMIE COMMIE!!!!!  BROWWWWNNNNPEOPLE EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!  THERE'S A PAKI ON YOUR PORTCH!!!"

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2008, 08:00:36 AM »

"someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie, so someone else can have more "  - Michelle Obama


Obama in a nutshell. 

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2008, 08:03:23 AM »
Obama in a nutshell. 
Why did you vote for Clinton if you knew he was going to raise taxes?

Every president redistributes the nation's wealth as he sees fit.

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2008, 08:15:28 AM »
Obama in a nutshell. 
Why do you want to pay more out of your pocket to a corporation for a basic nessecity?  You shut down government, which is what you want to do by eliminating taxes and you'll find yourself paying big bucks for shit like water.  They'll do stupid shit like make it illegal to collect rain water.  You let these corporations own the whole show and I guarantee way more people will find they're fucked.

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2008, 08:23:54 AM »
Why did you vote for Clinton if you knew he was going to raise taxes?

Every president redistributes the nation's wealth as he sees fit.

And welcome back Beach Bum.

I already told you why I voted for Clinton (twice).  And he didn't say he would raise taxes like Obama while running for office.  Clinton wasn't a liberal. 

Thanks.  Good to be home.  :)

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2008, 08:26:46 AM »
Why do you want to pay more out of your pocket to a corporation for a basic nessecity?  You shut down government, which is what you want to do by eliminating taxes and you'll find yourself paying big bucks for shit like water.  They'll do stupid shit like make it illegal to collect rain water.  You let these corporations own the whole show and I guarantee way more people will find they're fucked.

With Obama in office we will all pay more for goods and services.  He will attack "the corporations" (i.e., the businesses on which we all rely) and "the corporations" will pass those increased costs along to consumers (us). 

I don't know that anyone favors the elimination of all taxes. 

Business doesn't run the whole show.  Business is already heavily regulated. 

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2008, 08:41:08 AM »
I already told you why I voted for Clinton (twice).  And he didn't say he would raise taxes like Obama while running for office.  Clinton wasn't a liberal. 

Thanks.  Good to be home.  :)
Their tax plans are extremely similar: a tax hike for highend earners and targeted tax relief for middle/lower class people.  I'm not sure if Obama

Clinton wasn't a liberal.  But any democrat in today's political climate is a putative 'liberal'.

Barack Obama's Plan
Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.

Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

OBAMA: So the general principle of raising taxes on higher-income Americans like myself, and providing relief to those who haven't benefited as much from this new global economy, I think, is a sound one. And keep in mind on all of these proposals, what I have said is, let's make sure that we define the well-off so that we're not hitting the middle class. I generally define well-off as people who are making $250,000 a year or more, and that means, for example, if we raise the capital gains tax, I would exempt people who are essentially small investors, and really capture the -- those who have done very, very well over the last two decades.

Looks a lot like Bill Clinton's tax plan.


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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2008, 08:42:25 AM »
With Obama in office we will all pay more for goods and services.  He will attack "the corporations" (i.e., the businesses on which we all rely) and "the corporations" will pass those increased costs along to consumers (us). 

I don't know that anyone favors the elimination of all taxes. 

Business doesn't run the whole show.  Business is already heavily regulated. 
LOL what rock have you been hiding under for the past 8 years :D  Do you have any concept of how much deregulation has taken place!  I guess not!  Do you have any concept of how the corporations have taken over our government?  They have a much bigger hand in what gets put into a bill than the people do infact much of the wording comes right from corporate headquarters.  It's a coup and nobody noticed!  and when government is reduced to a withered shell, YOU WILL PAY MORE and most WILL get fucked.  The power is bigtime tipped in the corporation's favor right now. 

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2008, 08:54:12 AM »
Their tax plans are extremely similar: a tax hike for highend earners and targeted tax relief for middle/lower class people.  I'm not sure if Obama

Clinton wasn't a liberal.  But any democrat in today's political climate is a putative 'liberal'.

Barack Obama's Plan
Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.

Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

OBAMA: So the general principle of raising taxes on higher-income Americans like myself, and providing relief to those who haven't benefited as much from this new global economy, I think, is a sound one. And keep in mind on all of these proposals, what I have said is, let's make sure that we define the well-off so that we're not hitting the middle class. I generally define well-off as people who are making $250,000 a year or more, and that means, for example, if we raise the capital gains tax, I would exempt people who are essentially small investors, and really capture the -- those who have done very, very well over the last two decades.

Looks a lot like Bill Clinton's tax plan.



I do not support "targeted tax cuts," which are nothing more than code words for class warfare. 

Attacking people who make $250K a year?  As if they don't work hard for their money and get soaked by the government.  Raising capital gains taxes on millions of Americans?   This is guy is a disaster waiting to happen.   

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Re: Socialism 101, taught by Michelle Obama
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2008, 08:58:28 AM »
LOL what rock have you been hiding under for the past 8 years :D  Do you have any concept of how much deregulation has taken place!  I guess not!  Do you have any concept of how the corporations have taken over our government?  They have a much bigger hand in what gets put into a bill than the people do infact much of the wording comes right from corporate headquarters.  It's a coup and nobody noticed!  and when government is reduced to a withered shell, YOU WILL PAY MORE and most WILL get fucked.  The power is bigtime tipped in the corporation's favor right now. 

I've been in the trenches for the past eight years.  Where have YOU been?   :)  The government regulates business up the ying yang. 

We just raised the general excise tax a few years ago, which was immediately passed on to consumers.  That's how it always works.  Punishing business punishes consumers. 

Lobbying is a different issue.  Anyone, corporation or individual, with a lot of money gets a seat at the table.  That's the way the system works.  Unfortunately.  That's completely different from whether the government should be trying overtax and/or punish business.