Huge gallery of Iran photos. For your before and after we obliterate them ref.

[Slapper]

Trying to compare our human rights record to Islam's is HILARIOUS. Talk about spewing bullshit.

If you're a homosexual in Iran, you get executed.

What do you mean? I wasn't comparing Islam's record on human rights with that of the US. What I said was that they are not the panacea of human rights, but neither are we. I mean, we massacred the Native Americans, enslaved the population of African descent, etc.

[Fury]

What do you mean? I wasn't comparing Islam's record on human rights with that of the US. What I said was that they are not the panacea of human rights, but neither are we. I mean, we massacred the Native Americans, enslaved the population of African descent, etc.

Ahh yes, let's compare the actions of English and French from hundreds of years ago to Iran today. Let's go back in time to around then for Iran. Their human rights record was just as bad then as ours was, if not worse. Mass executions, torture, etc. The only difference is that while we moved past that, most of the Muslim world continues to do it. Executing homosexuals, stoning women to death, beating women for not wearing a piece of clothing on their face. GREAT comparison! 

I've never understood this referencing the past bullshit. At the time we were doing it, everyone in the world was, pretty much making it a moot point. The Muslim world is still heavily involved in slave trafficking.

[CQ]

Trying to compare our human rights record to Islam's is HILARIOUS. Talk about spewing bullshit.

If you're a homosexual in Iran, you get executed.

As an FYI, Christian nations also have strict punishment for being gay. To my horror, maybe 10 or my neighbours do.....up to life in prison

Actually stricter in a way, as also applies [in theory never actually done] to women as well, whereas most Sharia gay laws only apply to men. Porn will also get you hauled to prison many places here, gambling too. Christian nations can, and do, enact laws very similar to Sharia, although Sharia law catches all the heat, while Christian governments are running the same laws here and no one cares. Google if anyone doubts me...

[Fury]

As an FYI, Christian nations also have strict punishment for being gay. To my horror, maybe 10 or my neighbours do.....up to life in prison

Actually stricter in a way, as also applies [in theory never actually done] to women as well, whereas most Sharia gay laws only apply to men. Porn will also get you hauled to prison many places here, gambling too. Christian nations can, and do, enact laws very similar to Sharia, although Sharia law catches all the heat, while Christian governments are running the same laws here and no one cares. Google if anyone doubts me...

I was born Christian but I don't practice any religion. I live in America. What other Christian nations do is of no significant value to me. These countries are most likely second and third world also. Just because some Christian nations does it doesn't make it right. All you have to do in Iran is claim someone is homosexual and if you're in a good enough position, they'll end up dead.

Most first world countries don't execute homosexuals, nor imprison them.

And lastly, Iran's approach to homosexuality is just one example in their very long laundry list of human rights violations.

[Fury]

http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/

Stoning in Iran,  The Washington Times, February 27

"The condemned are wrapped head to foot in white shrouds and buried up to their waists.

"Then the stoning begins. The stones are specifically chosen so they are large enough to cause pain, but not so large as to kill the condemned immediately. They are guaranteed a slow, torturous death. Sometimes their children are forced to watch. Their offense is usually adultery."

I don't know you, but most Christian first world nations don't stone people to death for adultery.

[CQ]

I was born Christian but I don't practice any religion. I live in America. What other Christian nations do is of no significant value to me. These countries are most likely second and third world also. Just because some Christian nations does it doesn't make it right. All you have to do in Iran is claim someone is homosexual and if you're in a good enough position, they'll end up dead.

Most first world countries don't execute homosexuals, nor imprison them.

Some are 2nd [Jamaica etc] but most are 1st world. Incomes on the level of the US, along with lifestyle.

My only point is strict laws are not exclusively an Islamic thing, although it is purported as such. Christian nations do the exact same thing sometimes, more obvious to me obviously as I live in it day and night.

[Fury]

Some are 2nd [Jamaica etc] but most are 1st world. Incomes on the level of the US, along with lifestyle.

My only point is strict laws are not exclusively an Islamic thing, although it is purported as such. Christian nations do the exact same thing sometimes, more obvious to me obviously as I live in it day and night.

So what we're getting at is that religion in of itself is retarded? Regardless, being imprisoned for homosexuality and being hanged at 12 years old because someone said you were gay are two very different things.


Iran: 13-Year-Old Girl Sentenced to Death for Incest
Wednesday October 20, 2004
In Iran, a 13-year-old girl has been sentenced to death because her 15-year-old brother got her pregnant. The boy, of course, doesn't face a death sentence - he'll only be whipped 150 times with a lash. Zhila Izadi just gave birth to her child so now she is eligible for stoning by the community.

Iran: Gay Teens Executed by Hanging
Monday July 25, 2005
In the city of Mashhad in north-eastern Iran, two gay teens have been executed. One was 18 and the other is thought to have been 16 or 17. First they were lashed 228 times, though. Not long after the execution there were howls of outrage from the Iranian parliament - not at the execution itself, but at the temerity of journalists to report it.

"Witnesses said dozens of young women were held in the raids on shopping centres and shops in the capital. ... Shops selling fashion clothing for women - especially bright figure-hugging coats - were also targeted.

    After winning parliamentary elections in February, hardliners warned they would not tolerate what they described as social corruption. ... Since the 1979 Islamic revolution, Iran's laws say all young women must wear the veil and a long coat that conceals their figures, or face fines or even imprisonment. ... The hardliners are angry that women are progressively defying the rules by wearing shorter, tighter and brighter coats, especially during the scorching summer months."

Religious Expression: The Islamic Republic of Iran is a religious institution with no secular concept of law. Those who convert from Islam to another faith may face execution for apostasy. Religious minorities are routinely subject to widespread persecution.

Speech, Press, and Assembly: Free speech, as such, does not exist in Iran. Human rights activists and other perceived agitators are subject to beatings, arrests, torture, and disappearance.


The difference between these first world Christian nations and Iran is that they aren't meddling in everyone else's business, killing American soldiers and trying to build nuclear bombs.

[Dos Equis]

Some are 2nd [Jamaica etc] but most are 1st world. Incomes on the level of the US, along with lifestyle.

My only point is strict laws are not exclusively an Islamic thing, although it is purported as such. Christian nations do the exact same thing sometimes, more obvious to me obviously as I live in it day and night.

We just hired someone from Jamaica.  Have to brush up on my Patwa. 

[CQ]

So what we're getting at is that religion in of itself is retarded? Regardless, being imprisoned for homosexuality and being hanged at 12 years old because someone said you were gay are two very different things.

Never said they were the same, merely making the point that any government that takes any religion to the extreme then moves in to violating human rights.Trust me when I tell you I do not approve of any of it

We just hired someone from Jamaica.  Have to brush up on my Patwa. 

Ask him 'waagawaan roots' you'll be the hippest guy on the job

[Dos Equis]

Never said they were the same, merely making the point that any government that takes any religion to the extreme then moves in to violating human rights.Trust me when I tell you I do not approve of any of it

Ask him 'waagawaan roots' you'll be the hippest guy on the job

He's a she.  But I'll ask.   

[CQ]

He's a she.  But I'll ask.   

Whoops. Don't say that then, you'll be all rude

Nice to see your job is exhibiting good taste in employee selection

[Dos Equis]

Whoops. Don't say that then, you'll be all rude

Nice to see your job is exhibiting good taste in employee selection

You trying to get me in trouble?       

[Slapper]

Ahh yes, let's compare the actions of English and French from hundreds of years ago to Iran today. Let's go back in time to around then for Iran. Their human rights record was just as bad then as ours was, if not worse. Mass executions, torture, etc. The only difference is that while we moved past that, most of the Muslim world continues to do it. Executing homosexuals, stoning women to death, beating women for not wearing a piece of clothing on their face. GREAT comparison! 

I've never understood this referencing the past bullshit. At the time we were doing it, everyone in the world was, pretty much making it a moot point. The Muslim world is still heavily involved in slave trafficking.

Funny thing is I told you TWICE I was not comparing Islam with the pax Americana... you critizice me TWICE for doing so and... what do you do next? Compare the actions of the French and English of hundreds of years ago with those of Iran today. 

Furthermore you say "mass executions, torture, etc. The only difference is that while we moved past that"... errrrr Nope, not really. We're still torturing people in Guantánamo and other places; and our "legal" system has executed 1108 people since 1976. It is obvious 1108 people is not the same as the 2 million human beings put to death in the German concentration camps or that our executed were first put through our (il)legal system, but the underlying concept of execution as a tool of revenge (be it the state or a dictator) is still there. Hence your comment making refence to execution is not valid.

Keep on trying homeboy.

[Fury]

Funny thing is I told you TWICE I was not comparing Islam with the pax Americana... you critizice me TWICE for doing so and... what do you do next? Compare the actions of the French and English of hundreds of years ago with those of Iran today. 

Furthermore you say "mass executions, torture, etc. The only difference is that while we moved past that"... errrrr Nope, not really. We're still torturing people in Guantánamo and other places; and our "legal" system has executed 1108 people since 1976. It is obvious 1108 people is not the same as the 2 million human beings put to death in the German concentration camps or that our executed were first put through our (il)legal system, but the underlying concept of execution as a tool of revenge (be it the state or a dictator) is still there. Hence your comment making refence to execution is not valid.

Keep on trying homeboy.

I'm not talking about executing criminals under American law, bright spot. Figures that you would interpret that. Secondly, executing one person is not a mass execution.

And you are honestly pretty stupid. I was talking about the English and French explorers who colonized most of America. Way to go on the reading comprehension there, bright spot! If you weren't comparing us to Iran, you wouldn't have brought up our human rights record and treatment of the Native Americans. 

You're really stretching here when your only example of executions for us are murderers and Nazis. Meanwhile, Iran executes women for supposed adultery and tortures and executes children as young as 12 for homosexuality. Women get beaten to death for not wearing a burqa. 

Keep trying homeboy. I thought you were stupid before, but you just feel the need to prove me wrong.



You should stick to acting like you're the authority on middle eastern affairs.

[Slapper]

And besides, since some of you made a comment about homosexuals in the US, I'll have you know that gays are still beaten up in downtown NY nowadays for being gay. Anyone walking the streets of the Village will notice the baseball bat drawings on the sidewalk, but few will know that they mark the place where a homosexual was beaten up recently (for being gay of course). You can also look at what happened to Matthew Sheppard a couple of years ago...

I mean we're not (and have not been) the best of examples to anyone when it comes to human rights. Although we can all be 100% CERTAIN that very few peoples have tried and struggled for total freedom and understanding among its citizens... as many Americans have.

I mean, take the gender struggle... a couple of years ago you could beat the shit out of your wife and she'd get no help from noone. Up until 40 years ago, in some places in the USA, you could lynch a black person and noone would give a shit. It is obvious that that IS NOT legally and socially posible nowadays thanks in part because we've learned from our mistakes and developed a higher level of understanding. It is for this that we deserve a pat in the back.

[Fury]

And besides, since some of you made a comment about homosexuals in the US, I'll have you know that gays are still beaten up in downtown NY nowadays for being gay. Anyone walking the streets of the Village will notice the baseball bat drawings on the sidewalk, but few will know that they mark the place where a homosexual was beaten up recently (for being gay of course). You can also look at what happened to Matthew Sheppard a couple of years ago...

I mean we're not (and have not been) the best of examples to anyone when it comes to human rights. Although we can all be 100% CERTAIN that very few peoples have tried and struggled for total freedom and understanding among its citizens... as many Americans have.

I mean, take the gender struggle... a couple of years ago you could beat the shit out of your wife and she'd get no help from noone. Up until 40 years ago, in some places in the USA, you could lynch a black person and noone would give a shit. It is obvious that that IS NOT legally and socially posible nowadays thanks in part because we've learned from our mistakes and developed a higher level of understanding. It is for this that we deserve a pat in the back.

Wow, so some Americans took it upon themselves to beat up homosexuals? Meanwhile, California just legalized gay marriage. Didn't see you mention that. Let's see. California (the government) or some random Americans (normal people) vs Iran's government. California (the government) legalized gay marriage. Iran executes 12 year old homosexuals. Great argument!!!!!! 

If you want to play that game, I can too. A lot of Iranian men take it upon themselves to kill their daughters and wives when they're "dishonored." These men then have ZERO charges filed against them and are usually patted on the back and congratulated for the deed. Here in America, you end up in jail for life or on death row for killing your daughter. 

You comparing the actions of a few Americans to the Iranian government is creative, but useless.

[Slapper]

I'm not talking about executing criminals under American law, bright spot. Figures that you would interpret that. Secondly, executing one person is not a mass execution.

Did you even read what I wrote brighter spot? BerzerkFury, in one of your previous posts, you insinuated that we've moved past torture and executions and I answered your question by saying that we have not. I said that we still torture in Guantánamo. I said that we still execute people: Almost 2000 souls since 1976 in fact. I also pointed out that they were not MASS executions, but you said that we did not execute people anymore. I mean, this is not an American or Islamic phenomenom by any chance, but the basic underlying moral rot of an execution is the same here in the US after a "fair" trial or in Iran because you're gay and being stoned to death.
  

And you are honestly pretty stupid.

I'd show you the finger but you'd probably suck it.

I was talking about the English and French explorers who colonized most of America. Way to go on the reading comprehension there, bright spot! If you weren't comparing us to Iran, you wouldn't have brought up our human rights record and treatment of the Native Americans.

What I said was that we are no example of human rights to anyone. Our record speaks for itself.

You're really stretching here when your only example of executions for us are murderers and Nazis.

Again, you're missing the point. You said we do not execute anymore. I said we do execute still. It's a truism. I ain't making this stuff up. I also said it is obvious that executing 500.000 souls is not the same as electrocuting 2,000 people, but the barbarism is there in both cases.

Meanwhile, Iran executes women for supposed adultery and tortures and executes children as young as 12 for homosexuality. Women get beaten to death for not wearing a burqa.

Well, in some Southern states there are people running for the senate who believe adultery and abortion ought to be punishable by death. I mean... look, I certainly believe that some of the information about Iran and its society being filtered to us is intentionally made out to seem as though Iranians are monsters who hate guys and cheating wives. I thing they are not that bad as some people say they are.

I thought you were stupid before, but you just feel the need to prove me wrong.

Look, keep wasting electrons writing comments like the one above these lines. I'm sure the posting space you took could be used in much more fruitful discussions.

[Slapper]

Wow, so some Americans took it upon themselves to beat up homosexuals? Meanwhile, California just legalized gay marriage. Didn't see you mention that. Let's see. California (the government) or some random Americans (normal people) vs Iran's government. California (the government) legalized gay marriage. Iran executes 12 year old homosexuals. Great argument!!!!!! 

If you want to play that game, I can too. A lot of Iranian men take it upon themselves to kill their daughters and wives when they're "dishonored." These men then have ZERO charges filed against them and are usually patted on the back and congratulated for the deed. Here in America, you end up in jail for life or on death row for killing your daughter. 

You comparing the actions of a few Americans to the Iranian government is creative, but useless.

We can legalize anything you want, but the fact of the matter is that gays in NY, in the USA, TODAY, RIGHT NOW, are getting the shit beat out of them (no pun intended) for being gay. There's a difference in how we deal with homosexuality: In the US it's regular Americans who beat the shit out of gays, in Iran the government does the work for them. The end result is the same.

[Fury]

Again, the execution of murders and war criminals is not equivalent to the execution of 12 year olds for supposedly being homosexuals. What do you not understand? You're really reaching by trying to equate those as equal. A 12 year old child versus a murderer. Yes, very much equivalent. 

And I hate to break it to you, but the information I'm citing is from global human rights organizations that have absolutely nothing to do with the United States. But I'm sure they're feeding us that information. 


But yes, we're most definitely equal. I see women getting stoned to death and 12 year olds executed all the time in America!!!! Keep trying homeboy. 

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/video/stoning_video_100kbps.wmv

Feel free to watch that video of a stoning. Yes, very much equal we are!!!! 

We can legalize anything you want, but the fact of the matter is that gays in NY, in the USA, TODAY, RIGHT NOW, are getting the shit beat out of them (no pun intended) for being gay. There's a difference in how we deal with homosexuality: In the US it's regular Americans who beat the shit out of gays, in Iran the government does the work for them. The end result is the same.

I'm not even going to bother arguing with you. You are hands down the stupidest twat I've seen on this forum. You're stupid enough to equate the actions of a FEW backwoods Americans to the actions of an entire government. Never mind the fact you refuse to even address the fact California just legalized gay marriage. Figures, you took this same approach to arguing about Israel/Palestine last week.


And thank you for ignoring my post. Yes, some Americans beat homosexuals. A number of Iranian men beat, torture and stone their own daughters to death for "dishonoring" the family. What's worse? Oh wait, Iran again. 

[Fury]

Did you even read what I wrote brighter spot? BerzerkFury, in one of your previous posts, you insinuated that we've moved past torture and executions and I answered your question by saying that we have not. I said that we still torture in Guantánamo. I said that we still execute people: Almost 2000 souls since 1976 in fact. I also pointed out that they were not MASS executions, but you said that we did not execute people anymore. I mean, this is not an American or Islamic phenomenom by any chance, but the basic underlying moral rot of an execution is the same here in the US after a "fair" trial or in Iran because you're gay and being stoned to death.
 
I'd show you the finger but you'd probably suck it.

What I said was that we are no example of human rights to anyone. Our record speaks for itself.

Again, you're missing the point. You said we do not execute anymore. I said we do execute still. It's a truism. I ain't making this stuff up. I also said it is obvious that executing 500.000 souls is not the same as electrocuting 2,000 people, but the barbarism is there in both cases.

Well, in some Southern states there are people running for the senate who believe adultery and abortion ought to be punishable by death. I mean... look, I certainly believe that some of the information about Iran and its society being filtered to us is intentionally made out to seem as though Iranians are monsters who hate #### and cheating wives. I thing they are not that bad as some people say they are.
 

Look, keep wasting electrons writing comments like the one above these lines. I'm sure the posting space you took could be used in much more fruitful discussions.

Again, the execution of murders and war criminals is not equivalent to the execution of 12 year olds for supposedly being homosexuals. What do you not understand? You're really reaching by trying to equate those as equal. A 12 year old child versus a murderer. Yes, very much equivalent. 

And I hate to break it to you, but the information I'm citing is from global human rights organizations that have absolutely nothing to do with the United States. But I'm sure they're feeding us that information. 


But yes, we're most definitely equal. I see women getting stoned to death and 12 year olds executed all the time in America!!!! Keep trying homeboy. 

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/video/stoning_video_100kbps.wmv

Feel free to watch that video of a stoning. Yes, very much equal we are!!!! 

I'm not even going to bother arguing with you. You're stupid enough to equate the actions of a FEW backwoods Americans to the actions of an entire government. Never mind the fact you refuse to even address the fact California just legalized gay marriage. Figures, you took this same approach to arguing about Israel/Palestine last week.


And thank you for ignoring my post. Yes, some Americans beat homosexuals. A number of Iranian men beat, torture and stone their own daughters to death for "dishonoring" the family. What's worse? Oh wait, Iran again. 

[Slapper]

You even quote yourself. Man, you've got a black belt in full-of-shit my friend!

[Fury]

You even quote yourself. Man, you've got a black belt in full-of-shit my friend!

Fixed it, champ. Thanks for ignoring the post. If that's the best response you can come up with then this argument is over. I can only talk to stupid for so long. This is like the Israel/Palestine argument all over again. You start grasping at straws, end up looking like an idiot, start melting down and it's now only a matter of time until you're spamming "fuck you" at me. 



Yes, stoning women to death and executing 12 year olds is surely on par with a few dozen people roughing up some gays!!!! You are an idiot.

Feel free to watch that video of a stoning and then try to equate us to them. 




In retrospect it's not surprising. You are the same retard that justified launching rockets at civilians. Hahaha.

[Bindare_Dundat]

War, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Uh-huh
War, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again, y'all

War, huh, good God
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Listen to me

Ohhh, war, I despise
Because it means destruction
Of innocent lives

War means tears
To thousands of mothers eyes
When their sons go to fight
And lose their lives

War, it ain't nothing
But a heartbreaker
War, friend only to the undertaker
Ooooh, war
It's an enemy to all mankind
The point of war blows my mind
War has caused unrest
Within the younger generation
Induction then destruction
Who wants to die

War, it ain't nothing but a heartbreaker
War, it's got one friend
That's the undertaker
Ooooh, war, has shattered
Many a young mans dreams
Made him disabled, bitter and mean
Life is much to short and precious
To spend fighting wars these days
War can't give life
It can only take it away

War, it ain't nothing but a heartbreaker
War, friend only to the undertaker
Peace, love and understanding
Tell me, is there no place for them today
They say we must fight to keep our freedom
But Lord knows there's got to be a better way

[Slapper]

Again, the execution of murders and war criminals is not equivalent to the execution of 12 year olds for supposedly being homosexuals. What do you not understand? You're really reaching by trying to equate those as equal. A 12 year old child versus a murderer. Yes, very much equivalent.

DUDE! DUDE! I hope that got your attention. You said we, the USA, did not execute anymore. All of a sudden you move to an argument insinuating something like "oh yeah?! Well, executing war criminals is more better than executing gay teens". Well... nope. Executing someone, ANY ONE, is a barbaric and unacceptable thing to do.

And I hate to break it to you, but the information I'm citing is from global human rights organizations that have absolutely nothing to do with the United States. But I'm sure they're feeding us that information. 

No, and you know what fuck face? I agree with you, they are not the perfect country. But I am contending that we aren't either. Hence we ough to keep our mouths shut.

But yes, we're most definitely equal. I see women getting stoned to death and 12 year olds executed all the time in America!!!! Keep trying homeboy. 

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/video/stoning_video_100kbps.wmv

Feel free to watch that video of a stoning. Yes, very much equal we are!!!! 

I think you're gay in many senses. To you getting stoned to death in Iran is much worse than getting the shit beaten out of you on the streets of New York. You seem incapable of understanding that the end result is the same. And THIS is precisely the crime, not how OR WHERE it's carried out. If you ask a gay person they'd tell you that the taste of someone's knuckles is the same here and in Germany or Botswana (no pun intended either).

I'm not even going to bother arguing with you.

That's because you do not have an argument. You're the typical finger-pointing idiot who is quick to point out someone else's faults but is incapable of self-critizism. 

You are hands down the stupidest twat I've seen on this forum. You're stupid enough to equate the actions of a FEW backwoods Americans to the actions of an entire government.

It's amazing how when talking about our people you immediately say "the actions of a FEW backwoods Americans" while talking about Irankans you immediately say "the actions of an entire government". Again, you seem incapable of seeing that an institutionalized problem is the same as a problem. A problem is a problem. Period. I do understand that our concept of authority the government SHOULD NEVER encourage the deaths of gay individuals, but our government actively promotes the death of many individuals around the world, so I do not know what is worse.

Never mind the fact you refuse to even address the fact California just legalized gay marriage. Figures, you took this same approach to arguing about Israel/Palestine last week.

I agree with you that the legalization of gay marriage in California is a good thing! How can I say otherwise? What I'm saying is that just because we legalize gay marriage it does not mean that homophobia is going to go away.

I actually stopped arguing on the Israelo-Palestinian conflict last week because I had better things to do, namely take a shit. You are the one who had the balls to say that "facts don't mean shit". Aren't you? After that I said "you know what? Anyone who says something like that deserves some ignoring."

And thank you for ignoring my post. Yes, some Americans beat homosexuals. A number of Iranian men beat, torture and stone their own daughters to death for "dishonoring" the family. What's worse? Oh wait, Iran again. 

Well, according to you Iran is the biggest shithole on earth because gay teens and cheating wives get stoned to death. I have a gay friend who has a tatoo that reads "Louisville Slugger" all over his arms and torso. And he doesn't even like baseball!

Funk you man!

[Fury]

I didn't bother reading that. I saw the "Fuck you man" and realized that my prediction above was right. Game, set, and match.