HOLY CRAP

[Hugo Chavez]

Do you have proof of anything? Are you privy to classified info. I guess the Iraqi government going to Tehran to tell Iran to stay the fuck out of their business was all just a conspiracy theory (which I suspect you to claim)? I guess all the Iranian EFP's just happening to end up in Mehdi Army hands just appeared out of thin air.

Regardless, what proof do you have of these "abductions." They hold less water than the claims of Iranian involvement in Iraq. But I suspect you aren't bright enough to use logic like that. You're like a Mini-Bush.

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5388

Feel free to read that. I'm sure you'll chalk it up to some stupid ass conspiracy theory, though.

So what's the theme here, "shut the fuck up and trust your governemnt"  Brilliant BF...

To your first question, imo better than.

You should know I"m the last person to pull the CT hammer on somebody, really odd you would level that against me.

[MuscleMcMannus]

I don't have ill regards towards institutionalization. That was not what I was getting at, the view is this - the ability to follow commands and know the objective apart from outside interference. History shows that institutions are heavily wrong in the decision making process and timing of decisions. What you think that those in the armed forces, cannot read philosophy? I know that most of the books Ihave read with regards to war were written by some of the most decorated veterans and fighters, such as Ernst Junger. Something is to be said about a man or women that writes of a first hand account with no bias, with that said I read Lone Survivor, I had already made my mind up and was biased though so I stuck through it, haha.

Dude I have no clue what you just said or what point you are trying to make.  What I think?  I didn't say those in the armed forces cannot read philosophy.  That's not my point.  I said it's not in the best interest for the U.S. military to have soldiers serving on the front lines who are constantly critically analyzing foreign policy and thinking independently.  Hmmmmm is it morally right to kill this terrorist? No you don't want that kind of attitude on the battlefront.  And if you read Lone Survivor what is your opinion of the story and Macrus Luttrells experience?  You probably blame everything on the rules of engagement and those damn "liberals".  LOL.  When in fact those who have studied the incident have admitted it was piss poor planning and intelligence on the Navy SEALs part.  

[youandme]

If you're a student of military and history may I also suggest these books:
Conjuring Hitler
Wallstreet and FDR
Wallstreet and The Bolshevik Revolution
Wallstreet and The Rise of Hitler
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man

Some other good books I suggest you read
Web of Debt by Ellen Brown
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
The Road to 9/11 by Peter Dale Scott
A Century of War by Engdahl

And please post some books that you'd recommend.  I've read Art of War and Lone Survivor as well in the past year.  What pro U.S. Foreign policy books can you recommend to me?  

I have not read Conjuring Hitler or Wall Street and B.R., Confessions of an Economic Hitman tops my list as the best book I've read this year!!

Not so much US Foreign Policy as it is War policy and strategy. Art of War is good but, you may want to try Carl Von Clausewitz "On War"

I like the historian Pomeranz, he often gives some insightful back detail. Very long reads though.

On War
The Quiet American (movie is good also, but read the book first)
Barbusse "Under Fire"
The Pursuit of Power: Technology, Armed Force and Society since A.D. 1000
Heart of Darkness (symbolism of British power)

I have a book I have not read, it details the strategy of war, and is a book students at West Point must read, Powell said it was very influential in his decision making process. Apparently is is hinged on one main factor - destruction.

[youandme]

Dude I have no clue what you just said or what point you are trying to make.  What I think?  I didn't say those in the armed forces cannot read philosophy.  That's not my point.  I said it's not in the best interest for the U.S. military to have soldiers serving on the front lines who are constantly critically analyzing foreign policy and thinking independently.  Hmmmmm is it morally right to kill this terrorist? No you don't want that kind of attitude on the battlefront.  And if you read Lone Survivor what is your opinion of the story and Macrus Luttrells experience?  You probably blame everything on the rules of engagement and those damn "liberals".  LOL.  When in fact those who have studied the incident have admitted it was piss poor planning and intelligence on the Navy SEALs part.  

No that is what I was getting at, I'm just ready to go to the pool. But I think it's the soldiers who often more ways than not turn already failed missions into a sucess as a result of questioning and natural instinct. Institutions are the driving forces, were just wheels.
I think I was biased I had just read Nietsche Geneology of Morals....so I was wanting him to shoot first and not even ask any questions later. 

[headhuntersix]

Hey, HH6...just curious.

How good are the Iranian special forces?  I haven't heard anything for or against, militarily speaking.(training, weapons, experience, etc.)

I know you have read his book and you gotta admit whether you like him or not...I'm glad Richard Marcinko was on our side.  LOL

Wow alot of good stuff. First off the Quds force question. I asked around about 6 monts ago after we were briefed about Iran and their games down south. They're aren't SEALS or CAG (Delta) but they have some experience in Beruit so they're not bad. Its all a matter of experience. They are trying to run things in Basra, sort of like our SOF guys would do. They got their asses handed to them a few weeks ago...so i will let u make the call.

Its funny when one of these threads goes on for long...we get the soldiers are stupid thing eventually..or the brainwashed thing.

With that being said VERY FEW soldiers have a far reaching objective grasp on foreign policy.  I'm not harping on you but my example illustrates my point.  You've never heard of Smedley Butler nor his book War is a Racket

I was a Marine so i got hit over the head with Smedley Butler...yeah he was a war hero. The very few part...dude u need to stop talking to E-3's I guess, even some of them would surprise u. I work with highly educated people all the time. And while I hate to say it, I'm pretty sure I could figure out what most of u guys do, but what we do, to plan a battle or even a simple patrol would blow ur mind. Its beyond anything u can imagine  and mostly pretty damm boring. 

I happen to be in a unique postion right now where I work for the organization that planned the "Surge". My job is to help train those preping for deployment to Iraq and Afghanistan. Because of that I get to see the latest intel etc from those countries. I get classified briefs, alot of the time illustrating Iranian involvement in Iraq, because its a problem. Do i buy eveything Uncle Sam says and does....hell no. But with all the bashing of the US that goes on here, I'm never, ever ever going to aire our dirty laundry. I'm not going to complain about the VA or Haliburton, why would I give the Left fodder to continue to bash this government. If we were all sitting around I'm sure things would not get as heated, and we could explain our postions better, but will continue to defend what we're doing in Iraq, regardless of the reasons for war. We have troops in the field, and they need to be backed.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Wow alot of good stuff. First off the Quds force question. I asked around about 6 monts ago after we were briefed about Iran and their games down south. They're aren't SEALS or CAG (Delta) but they have some experience in Beruit so they're not bad. Its all a matter of experience. They are trying to run things in Basra, sort of like our SOF guys would do. They got their asses handed to them a few weeks ago...so i will let u make the call.

Its funny when one of these threads goes on for long...we get the soldiers are stupid thing eventually..or the brainwashed thing.

With that being said VERY FEW soldiers have a far reaching objective grasp on foreign policy.  I'm not harping on you but my example illustrates my point.  You've never heard of Smedley Butler nor his book War is a Racket

I was a Marine so i got hit over the head with Smedley Butler...yeah he was a war hero. The very few part...dude u need to stop talking to E-3's I guess, even some of them would surprise u. I work with highly educated people all the time. And while I hate to say it, I'm pretty sure I could figure out what most of u guys do, but what we do, to plan a battle or even a simple patrol would blow ur mind. Its beyond anything u can imagine  and mostly pretty damm boring. 

I happen to be in a unique postion right now where I work for the organization that planned the "Surge". My job is to help train those preping for deployment to Iraq and Afghanistan. Because of that I get to see the latest intel etc from those countries. I get classified briefs, alot of the time illustrating Iranian involvement in Iraq, because its a problem. Do i buy eveything Uncle Sam says and does....hell no. But with all the bashing of the US that goes on here, I'm never, ever ever going to aire our dirty laundry. I'm not going to complain about the VA or Haliburton, why would I give the Left fodder to continue to bash this government. If we were all sitting around I'm sure things would not get as heated, and we could explain our postions better, but will continue to defend what we're doing in Iraq, regardless of the reasons for war. We have troops in the field, and they need to be backed.

"yeah he was a war hero......" the book is about a lot more than him being a war hero which tells me you might have been told who he is but you probably didn't read his book.  He was also responsible for uncovering or exposing the plot to assassinate a U.S. president.  You never answered my question HH6, Ali Mohammed was trained by CIA and a trained U.S. Army special forces service member.  yet he's nowhere to be found and was never convicted for any of his crimes.  DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHO ALI MOHAMMED IS?  QUICK BEFORE YOU GOOGLE IT!!!!!!!!!  LOL.  Ever hear of the bank called BCCI???  No you probably haven't.  BCCI can be traced back to the Clinton Governor of Arkansas days.  I guess it's total coincidence that Ali Mohammed was pardoned and released by the Bush Administration.  Regardless of the reasons of war?? Haha if that's not the genius of a someone who's a blind neocon military stooge I don't know what is!

[Bindare_Dundat]

wow 

what?

[headhuntersix]

Well see I don't care..I know that blows ur mind...but i don't> oh where u born knowing who this guy was. he was involved in the first trade center bombing..yeah so what. We've used a long list of Douchbags...oh let me guess we tryed to knock down the towers before. As far as Butler...I limit my reading to people who still matter. Butler received two Medals of Honor...he also served in places/actions u guys would now considering meddling,  imperialistic wars....yet u love this guy. U people can't have it both ways. Butler, like the rest of the Marines, fought to secure agricultural land in Central America...I thought u hated this kind of thing. But i bet u like ur Banana's right?

[Hugo Chavez]

Wow alot of good stuff. First off the Quds force question. I asked around about 6 monts ago after we were briefed about Iran and their games down south. They're aren't SEALS or CAG (Delta) but they have some experience in Beruit so they're not bad. Its all a matter of experience. They are trying to run things in Basra, sort of like our SOF guys would do. They got their asses handed to them a few weeks ago...so i will let u make the call.

Its funny when one of these threads goes on for long...we get the soldiers are stupid thing eventually..or the brainwashed thing.

With that being said VERY FEW soldiers have a far reaching objective grasp on foreign policy.  I'm not harping on you but my example illustrates my point.  You've never heard of Smedley Butler nor his book War is a Racket

I was a Marine so i got hit over the head with Smedley Butler...yeah he was a war hero. The very few part...dude u need to stop talking to E-3's I guess, even some of them would surprise u. I work with highly educated people all the time. And while I hate to say it, I'm pretty sure I could figure out what most of u guys do, but what we do, to plan a battle or even a simple patrol would blow ur mind. Its beyond anything u can imagine  and mostly pretty damm boring. 

I happen to be in a unique postion right now where I work for the organization that planned the "Surge". My job is to help train those preping for deployment to Iraq and Afghanistan. Because of that I get to see the latest intel etc from those countries. I get classified briefs, alot of the time illustrating Iranian involvement in Iraq, because its a problem. Do i buy eveything Uncle Sam says and does....hell no. But with all the bashing of the US that goes on here, I'm never, ever ever going to aire our dirty laundry. I'm not going to complain about the VA or Haliburton, why would I give the Left fodder to continue to bash this government. If we were all sitting around I'm sure things would not get as heated, and we could explain our postions better, but will continue to defend what we're doing in Iraq, regardless of the reasons for war. We have troops in the field, and they need to be backed.

I gotta jump in.  What experience in Beruit?  If we're talking ancient history here, aren't those guys mostly long gone? Why "were" you a Marine?  Did you denounce them so something

[headhuntersix]

Yeah i was a Marine, not a Beirut Marine, but I went in shortly after the Gulf. I was refering to Quds in Lebenon/Beirut...i think u lost me.

[Hugo Chavez]

Yeah i was a Marine, not a Beirut Marine, but I went in shortly after the Gulf. I was refering to Quds in Lebenon/Beirut...i think u lost me.

Why are you no longer a Marine

[Fury]

So what's the theme here, "shut the fuck up and trust your governemnt"  Brilliant BF...

To your first question, imo better than.

You should know I"m the last person to pull the CT hammer on somebody, really odd you would level that against me.

Trust what? I gave you a link citing more than just the American government. Why is it bullshit that Iran is involved in Iraq but easily 100% plausible that we're in Iran because of one article? It makes no sense and just shows that you're trying to bash the US. I guess all that documented proof of Iran meddling in Iraq and Afghanistan is bullshit?

[headhuntersix]

Why are you no longer a Marine

I got sick of walking and I promised my dad I'd be an Officer. I liked tanks...the Army needed tankers and there u go. My enlistment ran out. I had thought of being a State Trooper, had I done that i would have stayed in enlisted.

[youandme]

I got sick of walking and I promised my dad I'd be an Officer. I liked tanks...the Army needed tankers and there u go. My enlistment ran out. I had thought of being a State Trooper, had I done that i would have stayed in enlisted.

haha I like troopers, but damn that is some political bullshit. And the stuff you would have to deal with. I could not do it without losing my cool. Good perks though I guess.