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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2008, 01:48:26 PM »
Jesse Alexander Helms, Jr. (b October 18, 1921, d. July 4, 2008) is a former five-time Republican senator from Monroe, North Carolina. [1] Helms' parents were Jesse Helms Sr., the local chief of police, and his wife Ethel Mae Helms. [2] Mr. Helms, throughout his tenure as United States Senator was known for his conservative viewpoints, support for a strong defense, individual rights, the oppressed, and support for freedom. Like most conservative politicians who escew political correctness, Helms was frequently the target of mainstream media bias, despite his former career in the media [3]. Helms was a staunch advocate for equality under law, but due to his Southern background and incorrect party affiliation, his positions were misrepresrented through typically biased reporting. [4]. While Helms can be called an Internationalist, his support can be understood more in terms of Western military alliances that strengthened US Security such as NATO as opposed to organizations such as the UN [5].

He died of natural causes at 1:15 a.m on the Fourth of July, 2008, in Raleigh.[6]

Contents [hide]
1 Early Life
1.1 Education
1.2 Pre-World War II Journalist
1.3 Military Career
1.4 WRAL Radio and AA to Senator Willis Smith
1.5 Bankers Association to Capital Broadcasting
2 Senate Career
2.1 Democrat to Republican
2.2 Senator No
2.3 Standing on principal
2.4 Foreign Policy
2.5 Liberal opposition
3 Humanitarian
4 Work for Americans held captive
4.1 Korean Airlines Flight 007
5 Summary
6 References
7 External Links
 

Early Life
Education
Mr. Helms attended public schools in his home, Monroe County. After graduating from high school, Mr. Helms attended Wingate Junior College and Wake Forest College.

Pre-World War II Journalist
Like President Ronald Reagan, Mr. Helms started his political career in the media. In 1939, Mr. Helms quit Wake Forest to work as a journalist on the Raleigh News and Observer. By the age of 21 Mr. Helms managed one of the paper's smaller papers. [7]

Military Career
During World War II, Mr. Helms was drafted into the Navy as a recruiter. It was during his military career that Helms discovered his knack for broadcasting.

WRAL Radio and AA to Senator Willis Smith
In 1948, became a radio news director at WRAL in Raleigh, NC. Helms reported on the heated 1950 Democratic primary for the Senate. Another ad featured photographs Helms himself had doctored to illustrate the allegation that Graham's wife had danced with a black man. The winner of this race, Senator Willis Smith, took him to Washington as his administrative assistant a post at which he served until 1953 staying on to become Senator Alton Lennon's assistant after Smith's untimely demise[8]. Willis, like Helms was a conservative Southern Democrat [9]. Willis's defeated opponent, the liberal Frank Porter Graham was appointed by his supporter President Harry Truman as Ambassador to the United Nations[10]. During his tenure in Washington Mr. Helms also worked on the unsuccessful Democratic primary presidential campaign of Richard B. Russell, Jr.

Bankers Association to Capital Broadcasting
Helms early work in politics lead him to become the Executive director of the North Carolina Bankers Association and later the Raleigh City Council where he opposed excessive taxation and supported limiting the growth of government[11]. By the mid-1960's, Helms became the executive Vice President for Capitol Broadcasting in Raleigh, NC. Mr. Helms directed the news operation and delivered over-the-air commentaries. Mr. Helms developed a following due to his firebrand but perceptive political commentary [12] which often attacked the decline of morality, liberal trends in society of the time, the Federal government's dubious social engineering in the southern states and Judicial activism [13].

Senate Career
Democrat to Republican
In 1970, Helms left the Democratic party, which was far more popular in the South as a whole, for the Republican party, which had been the catalyst in the American Civil War a century before. Guided, in part, by the moderate Republican policies of candidate Richard M. Nixon, Mr. Helms lead a victorious campaign against his opponent, Democrat Nick Galifianakis. Mr. Helms's campaign succeeded in associating Galifiankis with liberal presidential candidate George McGovern.

Senator No
Mr. Helms' opposition to increasing the role of the federal government in the lives of every day citizens earned him the title "Senator No". From his first term to his last Mr. Helms rejected nominations of unqualified liberal candidates, against federal spending (except his very principaled stance for the millitary and economically and strategically sound support for federal aid for farmers), [14] and opposed naming a holiday for Dr. Martin Luther King[15]. Helms supported and befriended qualified candidates regardless of party affiliation whom he felt would better the country, such as Madeline Albright for US Ambassador to the United Nations and later Secretary of State (ref: Madam Secretary, Madeline Albright). Helms was known for his bipartisan friendships despite ideological differences. However, Helms was broadminded and tolerant of contrary views, and unafraid to be proven in error. For instance Helms originally stood against increased funding to stop the devastation caused by AIDS in Africa. Helms change of heart on this issue in his own words: "It had been my feeling that AIDS was a disease largely spread by reckless and voluntary sexual and drug-abusing behavior, and that it would probably be confined to those in high risk populations. I was wrong."[Citation Needed]

Standing on principal
Helms challenged the Republican party to engage the socially and economically conservative values of the American People. Helms's conservative values won him a 100% rating from the American Conservative Union for the entire last decade he was in office and never more than 10% according to similar liberal groups. Terry O'Neill -- of the far left feminist group, the National Organization for Women -- on hearing of Helms ill health and planned retirement reacted gleefully with the statement "It's a very good thing for the country that he's leaving the Senate."

Helms stated his disbelief in the old adage that "morality cannot be legislated". Helms took an active role in campaigning and in helping the Republican party to engage these values. First in his early work for Smith, then locally and eventually in early 1980 played a key role in helping the father of modern conservative, Ronald Reagan, win the Republican primary and take the White House back from the liberal president Jimmy Carter. Helms's political action committee spent over $4.6 million dollars to help Reagan capture the white house [16]. Until recently, when Helms became incapacitated, in his home state of North Carolina few Conservative Republican candidates would run for state or national office without an endorsement from Helms.

Foreign Policy
Helms believed that America should stand against dictators and help bring its values of freedom and democracy to the world. This belief caused Helms to stand against "Most Favored Nation" status for China (which the Reagan and Nixon Administrations supported). At the same time, Helms stood for a strong national defense and strongly opposed Communism and would occasionally compromise on the humanitarian part of his policy when it suited those aims, such was the case in his support for the dictator Augusto Pinochet. [17] Helms also stood up against arms control and nuclear test-ban treaties even when some of these measures were supported by Reagan himself [18].

Liberal opposition
Some in the liberal media have questioned Helms' integrity, largely due to his standing against Affirmative Action programs and quotas and secondly for his opposition to many liberal appointees for federal office [19]. Mr. Helms stated in his biography he has stood up for candidates in the jobs for which they were qualified. He has opposed liberal and unqualified candidates in posts for which they were not qualified. The record shows Helms enthusiastically supported African American candidates Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Claude Allen, and Condoleezza Rice, as well as other well qualified candidates for the positions in which they were appointed. [20].

Humanitarian
Jesse Helms continued to work on his humanitarian causes after leaving office until he became incapacitated. Since then others continue his work in his name. His approach encourages individual and organization charity rather than government intervention. [21]

Work for Americans held captive
On December 5, 1991, Senator Helms wrote to Boris Yeltsin concerning U.S. servicemen who were POWs or MIAs. "The status of thousands and thousands of American servicemen who are held by Soviet and other Communist forces, and who were never repatriated after every major war this century, is of grave concern to the American people." Yeltsin would ultimately respond with a statement made on June 15, 1992, while being interviewed aboard his presidential jet on his way to the United States, "Our archives have shown that it is true — some of them were transferred to the territory of the U.S.S.R. and were kept in labor camps... We can only surmise that some of them may still be alive."

Korean Airlines Flight 007
On December 10, just five days after Senator Helms had written Yeltsin concerning American servicemen, he again wrote to Yeltsin, this time concerning KAL 007. "One of the greatest tragedies of the Cold War was the shoot-down of the Korean Airlines Flight 007 by the Armed Forces of what was then the Soviet Union on September 1, 1983. . . The KAL-007 tragedy was one of the most tense incidences of the entire Cold War. However, now that relations between our two nations have improved substantially, I believe that it is time to resolve the mysteries surrounding this event. Clearing the air on this issue could help further to improve relations [2]." Yeltsin would ultimately respond on January 8, 1992 by handing over to the International Civil Aviation Organization what the Russians had for so many years denied possessing: the tapes of the KAL 007's "Black Box" (its Digital Flight Data Recorder and Cockpit Voice Recorder). With the return of the tapes, Yeltsin would hand over the real-time Soviet military communications of the shootdown requested by Helms, reopening the question about the fate of KAL 007 and its passengers (See KAL 007: Timeline of Interception and Shootdown for the reconstruction of KAL 007's flight after the attack based on these military communications)

Concerning Stacy (3years) and Noelle (5 years) Grenfell, passengers aboard KAL 007, Senator Helms, who was on sister flight KAL 015 also on the way to Seoul, South Korea, would write:

I’ll never forget that night when that plane was just beside ours at Anchorage airport with two little girls and their parents...I taught them, among other things, to say I love you in deaf language, and the last thing they did when they turned the corner was stick up their little hands and tell me they loved me. [3]
Summary
Helms and his conservative values can be summed up in his own words: "Compromise, hell!" Helms said. "That's what has happened to us all down the line -- and that's the very cause of our woes." [22]


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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2008, 01:49:42 PM »
"Butz revolutionized federal agricultural policy and reengineered many New Deal era farm support programs. His mantra to farmers was "get big or get out," and he urged farmers to plant commodity crops like corn "from fencerow to fencerow." These policy shifts coincided with the rise of major agribusiness corporations, and the declining financial stability of the small family farm."

Agribusiness was on the rise, yes, because a growing population meant a need for more food...and as people began to leave the farms for college, the technology sector, and then the suburbs, there were less farmers working to feed America.   

Nevertheless, for some, farming was all they knew and all they wanted to do.  These small farmers had to increase the percentage of their acreage devoted to commodity crops and thanks to Senator Helms, crop subsidies were in place to help with that transition prior to 1989 when the reign of Bush I began. 

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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2008, 01:52:11 PM »
No, he wasn't, but he did hold some notable positions. 

LOL...K, my mistake he wasn't the leader, he's an ok guy;



Ex-Klansman Robert Byrd, the senior senator from West Virginia, casually used the phrase "white black" twice on national TV this weekend. Enraged civil rights groups organized a protest campaign against Sen. Byrd and demanded that he undergo sensitivity training ... not.

The ex-Klansman, you see, is a Democrat. Democrats can join hate groups and utter the ugliest racial slurs and get away with it because they are Democrats. They belong to the party of racial tolerance and understanding. They're paragons of virtue, and the rest of us are bigoted rubes.

The ex-Klansman showed his true colors when asked by Fox News Sunday morning talk show host Tony Snow about the state of race relations in America. Sen. Byrd warned: "There are white blacks. I've seen a lot of white blacks in my time. I'm going to use that word. We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I'd just as soon quit talking about it so much."

The ex-Klansman, famed for Beltway blowhardism, should have quit talking a lot sooner. Why any prominent politician in his right mind would publicly and deliberately use the poisonous epithet "black" -- which most daily newspapers refuse to spell out, no matter the context -- is beyond comprehension. It's an open question as to whether the rant-prone, 83-year-old Byrd is even in his right mind, but senility doesn't excuse bigotry.

The ex-Klansman's admirers praise his historical knowledge, mastery of procedural rules, and outspokenness. They refer to the Senate's senior Democrat as the "conscience of the Senate." They downplay his white-sheet-wearing days as a "brief mistake" -- as if joining the Klan were like knocking over a glass of water. Oopsy.

This ex-Klansman wasn't just a passive member of the nation's most notorious hate group. According to news accounts and biographical information, Sen. Byrd was a "Kleagle" -- an official recruiter who signed up members for $10 a head. He said he joined because it "offered excitement" and because the Klan was an "effective force" in "promoting traditional American values." Nothing like the thrill of gathering 'round a midnight bonfire, roasting s'mores, tying nooses, and promoting white supremacy with a bunch of your hooded friends.

The ex-Klansman allegedly ended his ties with the group in 1943. He may have stopped paying dues, but he continued to pay homage to the KKK. Republicans in West Virginia discovered a letter Sen. Byrd had written to the Imperial Wizard of the KKK three years after he says he abandoned the group. He wrote: "The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia" and "in every state in the Union."

The ex-Klansman later filibustered the landmark 1964 Civil Rights Act -- supported by a majority of those "mean-spirited" Republicans -- for more than 14 hours. He also opposed the nominations of the Supreme Court's two black justices, liberal Thurgood Marshall and conservative Clarence Thomas. In fact, the ex-Klansman had the gall to accuse Justice Thomas of "injecting racism" into the Senate hearings. Meanwhile, author Graham Smith recently discovered another letter Sen. Byrd wrote after he quit the KKK, this time attacking desegregation of the armed forces.

The ex-Klansman vowed never to fight "with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

If this ex-Klansman were a conservative Republican, he would never hear the end of his sordid past. "Ex-Klansman who opposed civil rights and black justices" would appear in every reference to Sen. Byrd. And even the "ex-" would be in doubt. Maxine Waters and Ralph Neas and Julianne Malveaux and Al Sharpton and all the other left-wing bloodhounds who sniff racism in every crevice of American life would be barking up a storm over Sen. Byrd's latest fulminations. Instead, the attack dogs are busy decrying latent racial bigotry where it doesn't exist, while the real thing roams wild and free in their own political backyard.




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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2008, 01:55:27 PM »
As would George Washington, but that does not mean we should forget an integral figure of such important significance.  You see, a National Holiday is not for hubris of the individual, instead it is so that subsequent generations will always remember the actions and the impact and history of these figures.  Americans are shortsighted when it comes to history as it is.  I believe everyday we should be honoring someone from the past so we won`t forget who they are and what they did in the future.

But do you agree that a person can be sufficiently honored without skipping a day of work for it?  

I completely agree with your statement that Americans don't study or care enough about our history.  We need to make civics a regular part of the school curriculum again, because we're cheating the kids by not doing so.


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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2008, 01:57:41 PM »
LOL...K, my mistake he wasn't the leader, he's an ok guy;
No, wrong again. He's pork-barrel personified. I guess you could say that he was better than Strom Thurmond.  ;)

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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2008, 02:04:29 PM »
Agribusiness was on the rise, yes, because a growing population meant a need for more food...and as people began to leave the farms for college, the technology sector, and then the suburbs, there were less farmers working to feed America.   

Nevertheless, for some, farming was all they knew and all they wanted to do.  These small farmers had to increase the percentage of their acreage devoted to commodity crops and thanks to Senator Helms, crop subsidies were in place to help with that transition prior to 1989 when the reign of Bush I began. 
False.  There was not a growing need for food.  Also, this did not provide the necessary food at all.  The Government forced farmers into Two crops, Corn and Soybeans anything else and they get zero money or incentive for growing.  As it stands, farmers all grow at a loss because of Mr. Helms and Butz subsidiary policies.  It costs more money to grow corn or  soybeans then you get in profit.  So to make up the difference, the government gives handouts to support the growing and to keep such a HUGE surplus of corn and soy and nothing else.

Surely you realize this is why CORN or SOY is in every last single thing in some form or other.  Largely in the name of High Fructose Corn Syrup.  A product that does not bode too well for humans as they cannot seem to control their appetite for it and is also totally devoid of nutrition.  This in turn has created unhealthy living and an obesity epidemic.  Afterall, something has to be done with the corn surplus.

Meanwhile, other crops are no longer grown. Blueberries, Strawberries, Peaches and Cherries and other former staple crops, which are HIGHLY nutritious and beneficial have now become luxuries and in affordable or unavailable as a direct result.

So while the farmers suffer and barely scrape by, the population is served unhealthily and irresponsibly and the only winner is Big Business and Corporatism.

A total disaster on all sides.

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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2008, 02:05:52 PM »
But do you agree that a person can be sufficiently honored without skipping a day of work for it? 

I completely agree with your statement that Americans don't study or care enough about our history.  We need to make civics a regular part of the school curriculum again, because we're cheating the kids by not doing so.


Americans are overworked as it is.  A few more holidays are what they need.

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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2008, 02:20:09 PM »
Yeah,put in some more hollidays so the companies that hire the workers get more of a financial burden placed on them.Typical government.Make it as hard as possible for companies to make a profit.Too bad it was Helms and not that fat drunken jack ass Ted Kennedy that died.Oh well,he has cancer so it wont be long now.

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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2008, 02:21:31 PM »
Geez man, grow some balls and stop Tomming.  >:(

He's an American and he was a politician.  You do what you have to do in order to get into position to do the work you feel needs to be done. 
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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2008, 02:24:38 PM »
Yeah,put in some more hollidays so the companies that hire the workers get more of a financial burden placed on them.Typical government.Make it as hard as possible for companies to make a profit.Too bad it was Helms and not that fat drunken jack ass Ted Kennedy that died.Oh well,he has cancer so it wont be long now.
People surely carry more of a burden from household to household more so than corporation to corporation.

If uneducated slaves is your fancy, then you are supporting the right party.


Such a dreary shame that you champion the corporation over the individual.  America was a great place at one time.  Corporatism has been the death knell to a well educated and informed society. Rampant Consumerism has replaced curiosity and intellectual pursuit all for no prospect of furthering society.

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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2008, 02:38:38 PM »
Geez man, grow some balls and stop Tomming.  >:(


My family raised tobacco. 


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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2008, 02:41:29 PM »
ding dong, another racist is dead.  good riddance to the white trash.  

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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2008, 02:43:59 PM »
You mean deranged like saying stupid shit like the Government will take over the oil companies, Global Warming is real and the Earth will disintegrate within 30 years or we will all be cannibals because of global warming, 9/11 was an inside job, McCain isn't a war hero, we went to war originally for the oil, etc etc etc etc.

You mean deranged like that ::)??
McCaine isn't a war hero.he was captured,that means he failed his mission.speaking of hero's,joe what have you ever done for your country? ever spilled your blood for it? how about anyone elses?

i didnt think so ;)

relax oldtimer its all in good fun ;D

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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2008, 02:48:35 PM »
People surely carry more of a burden from household to household more so than corporation to corporation.

If uneducated slaves is your fancy, then you are supporting the right party.


Such a dreary shame that you champion the corporation over the individual.  America was a great place at one time.  Corporatism has been the death knell to a well educated and informed society. Rampant Consumerism has replaced curiosity and intellectual pursuit all for no prospect of furthering society.
Funny you should say this, TA. I was just saying last week that what used to be called an interest in the 'arts' (art, literature, etc.) or, even didacticism, seems to have replaced by consumerism. Glad to see someone else onto this. Fight the power: read a book!

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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2008, 03:36:27 PM »
I champion his death Because he is no longer capable of pontificating his deranged politics.

One of the most disastrous and inhumane senators in history.

Shall no more like him EVER come along.

 I AGREE!!!
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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #40 on: July 04, 2008, 03:37:08 PM »
He helped build a nation. 

And I'm helping to build a community. 



THE GUY HATED YOUR BLACK ASSES AND SUPPORTED SEGRGATION!!!!...WTF
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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2008, 03:46:35 PM »
nobody should be happy someone died
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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2008, 03:47:58 PM »
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Jesse Helms on "negroes":

    As an aide to the 1950 Senate campaign of North Carolina Republican candidate Willis Smith, Helms reportedly helped create attack ads against Smith's opponent, including one which read: "White people, wake up before it is too late. Do you want Negroes working beside you, your wife and your daughters, in your mills and factories? Frank Graham favors mingling of the races." Another ad featured photographs Helms himself had doctored to illustrate the allegation that Graham's wife had danced with a black man. (The News and Observer, 8/26/01; The New Republic, 6/19/95; The Observer, 5/5/96; Hard Right: The Rise of Jesse Helms, by Ernest B. Furgurson, Norton, 1986)

    The University of North Carolina was "the University of Negroes and Communists." (Capital Times, 11/22/94) Black civil rights activists were "Communists and sex perverts." (Copley News Service, 8/23/01)

    Of civil rights protests Helms wrote, "The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint that's thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic, and interfere with other men's rights." (WRAL-TV commentary, 1963) He also wrote, "Crime rates and irresponsibility among Negroes are a fact of life which must be faced." (New York Times, 2/8/81)

Helms on "degenerate, weak, sick homosexuals":

    Over the years Helms has declared homosexuality "degenerate," and homosexuals "weak, morally sick wretches." (Newsweek, 12/5/94) In a tirade highlighting his routine opposition to AIDS research funding, Helms lashed out at the Kennedy-Hatch AIDS bill in 1988: "There is not one single case of AIDS in this country that cannot be traced in origin to sodomy." (States News Service, 5/17/88)

Helms being a racist:

    And the man ABC News now describes as a "conservative icon" (8/22/01) in 1993 sang "Dixie" in an elevator to Carol Moseley-Braun, the first African-American woman elected to the Senate, bragging, "I'm going to make her cry. I'm going to sing Dixie until she cries." (Chicago Sun-Times, 8/5/93)

Helms filibusters making Martin Luther King day a national holiday:

    A year before the election, when public polls showed Helms trailing by 20 points, he launched a Senate filibuster against the bill making the birthday of Martin Luther King Jr. a national holiday. (David Broder, Washington Post, Aug, 29, 2001)

On cutting AIDS funding:

    Sen. Jesse Helms says the government should spend less money on people with AIDS because they got sick as a result of "deliberate, disgusting, revolting conduct," The New York Times reported Wednesday....

    "We've got to have some common sense about a disease transmitted by people deliberately engaging in unnatural acts," Helms told the Times.

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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2008, 04:16:13 PM »
it's hilarious how much conservative "christians" always seem to know about the practices of gay people, i just saw a clip of him on CBS news saying "the average gay person has 16 sex partners a month, it's been studied" i don't think even gay people themselves are so obsessed with homosexuality. :-X
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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2008, 04:30:01 PM »

Almost anyone in the world could be sound-bitten to death. 

I said things in 1981 that I believed to be true in 1981.  Many of the positions I held in 1981 I do not hold today. 

I'm sure that in 2024 - when I am running for President - I will have some different opinions than I have today.

Whether by accident or design, it was on his watch as senior Senator that North Carolina successfully transitioned from an agriculture-dependent state (includes textiles) into a center for banking, research, and technology. 

Their numbers are dwindling, but many of the farmers are hanging in there.

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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #45 on: July 04, 2008, 04:32:44 PM »
Almost anyone in the world could be sound-bitten to death. 

I said things in 1981 that I believed to be true in 1981.  Many of the positions I held in 1981 I do not hold today. 

I'm sure that in 2024 - when I am running for President - I will have some different opinions than I have today.

Whether by accident or design, it was on his watch as senior Senator that North Carolina successfully transitioned from an agriculture-dependent state (includes textiles) into a center for banking, research, and technology. 

Their numbers are dwindling, but many of the farmers are hanging in there.
oh brother  ::) and you personally know alot of family farmers?

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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #46 on: July 04, 2008, 04:36:15 PM »

I'm with you on the celebrating

count me in too

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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #47 on: July 04, 2008, 04:40:32 PM »
it's hilarious how much conservative "christians" always seem to know about the practices of gay people, i just saw a clip of him on CBS news saying "the average gay person has 16 sex partners a month, it's been studied" i don't think even gay people themselves are so obsessed with homosexuality. :-X
all these divorced moralistic family values authorities on the practices of sexual minorities IS funny, i agree. they are obsessed.  :)

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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #48 on: July 04, 2008, 05:01:46 PM »
What did he bench?

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Re: Jesse Helms - A fine American, dead at 86
« Reply #49 on: July 04, 2008, 05:34:36 PM »
You mean deranged like saying stupid shit like the Government will take over the oil companies, Global Warming is real and the Earth will disintegrate within 30 years or we will all be cannibals because of global warming, 9/11 was an inside job, McCain isn't a war hero, we went to war originally for the oil, etc etc etc etc.

You mean deranged like that ::)??

Show where he said that.