The most complete back of all time...

[suckmymuscle]

Reducing or enlarging the pic of Dorian won't make his lower back any thicker. LOLOLOL

  This is not true at all. When a muscle hypertrophies, it increases in thickness and width. So not scalling the pictures properly makes Ronnie appear to have lower back muscles more developed than they truly were by making them wider.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

You seem to be unable to comprehend that what improved in Ronnie from the 1999 Olympia to the 2001 ASC was the fact that his waist and gut got smaller,

man you guys are way out of touch with reality..

Ronnie's relaxed gut at the AC was WAY WORSE than in 99, not the other way around..

watch some videos and see for yourself.

ronnie had a super gut in 2001 olympia, and had it from then on.

in 99 sure, he had a gut, but it was not protruding as bad as it was at the 2001 AC.

[NarcissisticDeity]

  His entire body was visibly smaller at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia. And don't bring up the argument of how Ronnie had as much or more more mass at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia, because that has been put to rest by yours truly. Or to quote someone who doesen't like me much, I gave you the "most clear cut ownage" in Getbig.com message board's history regarding this issue.

  You seem to be unable to comprehend that what improved in Ronnie from the 1999 Olympia to the 2001 ASC was the fact that his waist and gut got smaller, as well as the fact that he gained a hard look he lacked in 1999. In other words, it was his overral package and not his back that improved. You can improve your overral package while simultaneously having a bodypart remain unchanged or get worse.

  The key word is "look". Yes, it looks just as wide because his waist was smaller. It's very simple, really: his lats got smaller, but his waist also got smaller, so his taper and the illusion of width remained unchanged.

  You need to prove that the judges would take into consideration acne to decide which back was better. And this is irrelevant anyway, because Dorian in his 1995 version did not have acne in his back.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

This dummy actually believes his back in 2001 is virtually the same as 1999? LMMFAO this kid is a fucking idiot , I'm sorry but there is no way to put it lol and you're right on the money that his whole body was visibly smaller in 2001 that what happens when you totally dry out and when he did thats the max size he could retain was around 247pounds Dorian could maintain that superdry , superhard conditioning while carrying much more size

[NarcissisticDeity]

man you guys are way out of touch with reality..

Ronnie's relaxed gut at the AC was WAY WORSE than in 99, not the other way around..

watch some videos and see for yourself.

ronnie had a super gut in 2001 olympia, and had it from then on.

in 99 sure, he had a gut, but it was not protruding as bad as it was at the 2001 AC.

probably the same just more noticeable in 01 because he was lighter .

[suckmymuscle]

Structurally, Dorian was not in the top six through the nineties in my opinion.  But how can you debate his dominance:

  You show your ignorance with this statement. Dorian's structure was as close to perfect as any bodybuilder ever has. The proportions between his torso, legs and clavicles are superb. He is not like Ronnie who had a short torso with long legs, or Shawn Ray who had short legs to a long torso. The only, and I must emphasize the only structural flaw that Dorian has is that his hip bones are a little wide. But overral, his structure is far superior to Ronnie's or than any bodybuilder who has ever competed for that matter.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

  You show your ignorance with this statement. Dorian's structure was as close to perfect as any bodybuilder ever has. The proportions between his torso, legs and clavicles are superb. He is not like Ronnie who had a short torso with long legs, or Shawn Ray who had short legs to a long torso. The only, and I must emphasize the only structural flaw that Dorian has is that his hip bones are a little wide. But overral, his structure is far superior to Ronnie's or than any bodybuilder who has ever competed for that matter.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

NO the only thing that matters is arm size and small waist & hips lol these guys only take into consideration what they find appealing , I've explained to these dummies a million times more to just a great font double biceps shot ( or any other ) than just big biceps & a small waist , but they like what they like , forearms , biceps , triceps , torso length , leg length , arm length , proportion , upper & lower balance , and even calves ALL come into play in ANY pose but these guys think wow BIGGEST arms and smallest waist he owns that pose lol reeks of fan-boy delusion and out right ignorance of how things really work

like the idiot in the other thread so said Dorian has ' so-so ' genetics lmfao

[Earl1972]

Structurally, Dorian was not in the top six through the nineties in my opinion.  But how can you debate his dominance:

by pointing out the fact that Mr. Levrone isn't hitting the pose yet

oh ronnie wins this thread just like the truce thread

carry on now

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[NarcissisticDeity]

by pointing out the fact that Mr. Levrone isn't hitting the pose yet

oh ronnie wins this thread just like the truce thread

carry on now

E

All the guys hero's Dorian DESTROYED all huddle together for comfort lol

Levrone , Nasser , Ray , Coleman NO one won nothing against Yates thats why you guys keep crying .

and who cares if Kevin isn't posing yet like it matters , his back can't touch Yates anyway so whats the sense? 

[Earl1972]

All the guys hero's Dorian DESTROYED all huddle together for comfort lol

Levrone , Nasser , Ray , Coleman NO one won nothing against Yates thats why you guys keep crying .

and who cares if Kevin isn't posing yet like it matters , his back can't touch Yates anyway so whats the sense? 

why is it that anybody that goes against your argument is "defending their hero", even though you have more posts defending dorian then i have altogether on this board

yeah dorian had the better back but clearly kev is not hitting the pose yet

maybe we should compare their arms

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[NarcissisticDeity]

why is it that anybody that goes against your argument is "defending their hero", even though you have more posts defending dorian then i have altogether on this board

yeah dorian had the better back but clearly kev is not hitting the pose yet

maybe we should compare their arms

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You are defending your hero hence why you chimed it , you claim was " he not even flexing " which wasn't even why the picture was posted to begin with it was posted in reference to Dorian's back , and seeing YOU brought the topic up I asked " What difference would it make anyway ? " its not like his back is better and you added the little tag ' ronnie wins ' which is your round about way of trying to get back at Dorian for crushing Levrone for years , and in any debate with Levrone V Ronnie , Kevin wins lol sure ya right

and how about WE compare complete poses ? forget parts because thats how contests are judged and according to the people who judge contests Kevin ALWAYS lost to Dorian no matter what pose  but don't feel bad you have plenty of company in the loser department ask Hulkster lol

[Earl1972]

You are defending your hero hence why you chimed it , you claim was " he not even flexing " which wasn't even why the picture was posted to begin with it was posted in reference to Dorian's back , and seeing YOU brought the topic up I asked " What difference would it make anyway ? " its not like his back is better and you added the little tag ' ronnie wins ' which is your round about way of trying to get back at Dorian for crushing Levrone for years , and in any debate with Levrone V Ronnie , Kevin wins lol sure ya right

and how about WE compare complete poses ? forget parts because thats how contests are judged and according to the people who judge contests Kevin ALWAYS lost to Dorian no matter what pose  but don't feel bad you have plenty of company in the loser department ask Hulkster lol

you defend dorian quite a bit, it is kinda odd seeing as how you would NEVER want to look like him and you would rather look like the guys he beat

you still haven't asnwered the question why is everybody else a fanboy when they have a different opinion?  you probably have more posts defending dorian than I have on the entire forum

why would I try to "get back" lol at dorian but not ronnie?  Mr. Levrone finished runner up to both of them twice

i just think dorian looks like shit, if i used the amount of drugs he used and his body was the end result, I would cry

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[NeoSeminole]

His entire body was visibly smaller at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia. And don't bring up the argument of how Ronnie had as much or more more mass at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia, because that has been put to rest by yours truly. Or to quote someone who doesen't like me much, I gave you the "most clear cut ownage" in Getbig.com message board's history regarding this issue.

ha ha ha, where to start? First of all, Ronnie didn't look smaller all over than at the 99 Olympia. His legs? Yes, but his arms, delts, pecs, and lats looked the same size. Second, I already put to rest your argument that Ronnie lost 10 lbs of muscle from 99-01. Only a moron would claim that the best bodybuilder in the world (and all-time, might I add) doesn't know what the f*ck he's doing and actually lose muscle in 2 yrs. Third, you have yet to own me in anything. All you're good for is a few laughs at your expense - nothing more.

You seem to be unable to comprehend that what improved in Ronnie from the 1999 Olympia to the 2001 ASC was the fact that his waist and gut got smaller, as well as the fact that he gained a hard look he lacked in 1999. In other words, it was his overral package and not his back that improved. You can improve your overral package while simultaneously having a bodypart remain unchanged or get worse.

name one other bodybuider in history who became harder and more defined while their back looked the same or worse.

The key word is "look". Yes, it looks just as wide because his waist was smaller. It's very simple, really: his lats got smaller, but his waist also got smaller, so his taper and the illusion of width remained unchanged.

again, maybe you're susceptible to illusions hence why you feel the need to write off Ronnie's lat width as the product of an optical illusion. I'm looking at the same pics as you and clearly see that Ronnie was just as wide as Dorian.

You need to prove that the judges would take into consideration acne to decide which back was better. And this is irrelevant anyway, because Dorian in his 1995 version did not have acne in his back.

I don't need to prove anything. We're not discussing which physique would win in a contest. Moreover, 95 Dorian still had ugly skin folds which detracted from his look.

[NeoSeminole]

This is not true at all. When a muscle hypertrophies, it increases in thickness and width. So not scalling the pictures properly makes Ronnie appear to have lower back muscles more developed than they truly were by making them wider.

bwahahaha, what does scaling have to do with thickness of a muscle? I can make the pic of Dorian twice as large, and his lower back will still look flat as a pancake.

[ANAL DISCHARGE]

I still find it amazing that people say Dorian didn't have a great structure (Matt C), his bone structure is about as good as there has ever been - his torso to leg length is perfect.  This is too often overlooked on this site - not just for Dorian.  This is where the majority of you guys fall down and overlook limb to torso length, pelvic structure etc.  Many of you miss this with Coleman for example who has a torso that is too short and arms that are too long.  Haney is another with just about the perfect bone structure.  Look at the level of his lower costal margins to see how his taper is a result of his rib cage and midsection that blend perfectly - not the case with Ronnie.  Haney's back is still the best in many respects.  

[Hulkster]

I still find it amazing that people say Dorian didn't have a great structure

thats because you are a dumbass..

[NarcissisticDeity]

you defend dorian quite a bit, it is kinda odd seeing as how you would NEVER want to look like him and you would rather look like the guys he beat

you still haven't asnwered the question why is everybody else a fanboy when they have a different opinion?  you probably have more posts defending dorian than I have on the entire forum

why would I try to "get back" lol at dorian but not ronnie?  Mr. Levrone finished runner up to both of them twice

i just think dorian looks like shit, if i used the amount of drugs he used and his body was the end result, I would cry

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I have more posts EDUCATING ignorant people like you on the inner workings of competitive bodybuilding , the difference between you and I and the rest of them is I can separate what I like personally from what would win , its called being objective.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I still find it amazing that people say Dorian didn't have a great structure (Matt C), his bone structure is about as good as there has ever been - his torso to leg length is perfect.  This is too often overlooked on this site - not just for Dorian.  This is where the majority of you guys fall down and overlook limb to torso length, pelvic structure etc.  Many of you miss this with Coleman for example who has a torso that is too short and arms that are too long.  Haney is another with just about the perfect bone structure.  Look at the level of his lower costal margins to see how his taper is a result of his rib cage and midsection that blend perfectly - not the case with Ronnie.  Haney's back is still the best in many respects. 

Thats because 99% of these people are ignorant , they think small waist & hips and big biceps is perfect ! these are the same idiots who are screaming Wolf won last year , most people based their opinion on what they prefer and NOT what actually wins contests , I laughed when someone posted Dorian had ' so-so genetics ' lol so-so lol

People all gloss over everything and hyperfocus on what they like , Dorian's symmetry is great and there is more to symmetry than just a narrow waist & hips it also includes torso length , arm length , balance , proportion , leg length in this regards Dorian was in another class but people see what they want to see

[Earl1972]

I have more posts EDUCATING ignorant people like you on the inner workings of competitive bodybuilding , the difference between you and I and the rest of them is I can separate what I like personally from what would win , its called being objective.

but why defend a guy so much when you would NEVER want to look like him?  why do you feel the need to "educate" so much?

why does the judging criteria choose the ugliest physique and why do yo support it?

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[Hulkster]

but why defend a guy so much when you would NEVER want to look like him?

he loves the cock. thats why.

[Earl1972]

Thats because 99% of these people are ignorant , they think small waist & hips and big biceps is perfect ! these are the same idiots who are screaming Wolf won last year , most people based their opinion on what they prefer and NOT what actually wins contests , I laughed when someone posted Dorian had ' so-so genetics ' lol so-so lol

People all gloss over everything and hyperfocus on what they like , Dorian's symmetry is great and there is more to symmetry than just a narrow waist & hips it also includes torso length , arm length , balance , proportion , leg length in this regards Dorian was in another class but people see what they want to see

missing one arm is great symmetry

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[NarcissisticDeity]

but why defend a guy so much when you would NEVER want to look like him?  why do you feel the need to "educate" so much?

why does the judging criteria choose the ugliest physique and why do yo support it?

E

Because I'm right  and I've proven this consistently

and please tell me where it says the prettiest physique should win , please do and even if that was the case Levrone would have lost anyway his aesthetics were better than Dorians but not that spectacular so hypocthetically even if it was a factor he would have been murdered by Wheeler or Labrada so you have no point.

[NarcissisticDeity]

he loves the cock. thats why.

Hulkster taking things personal again , your frustration level is showing again 

see projection , see fail

[NarcissisticDeity]

missing one arm is great symmetry

E

He's NOT missing one arm thats another gross overstatement by you which shows you can't be objective or honest , Levrone was missing a torso he was all delts and biceps/triceps but thats great symmetry? NO his calves lagged behind his quads but thats great symmetry? lol

ONE bicep was shorter than the other he was NOT missing an arm , see the pictures one is pre-tear and the other post-tear NOT much of a difference one BICEP is shorter than the other and overall he still has great symmetry

[Earl1972]

Because I'm right  and I've proven this consistently

and please tell me where it says the prettiest physique should win , please do and even if that was the case Levrone would have lost anyway his aesthetics were better than Dorians but not that spectacular so hypocthetically even if it was a factor he would have been murdered by Wheeler or Labrada so you have no point.

i never said the prettiest physique should win, only that the ugliest one shouldn't

that's why Mr. Levrone was so great, he had the unique combination of power and aesthetics

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[Earl1972]

He's NOT missing one arm thats another gross overstatement by you which shows you can't be objective or honest , Levrone was missing a torso he was all delts and biceps/triceps but thats great symmetry? NO his calves lagged behind his quads but thats great symmetry? lol

ONE bicep was shorter than the other he was NOT missing an arm , see the pictures one is pre-tear and the other post-tear NOT much of a difference one BICEP is shorter than the other and overall he still has great symmetry

uh yeah he was missing an arm, only a fanboy would not see that

post the front double bicep pic where his skin is all oily and disgusting

kinda hard to pull off what many felt was the best side chest since arnold if you are missing a torso

dorian's calves were too big for his quads

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