Johnny Jackson

[MisterMagoo]

ZachG85 . . . not exactly an athority on powerlifting or bodybuilding. How are things in the aerospace field? How do you know what Ronnie has benched, Youtube, mags etc?

The beef

talk to anyone who actually trains with ronnie (glennr on mayhem used to talk about it all the damn time). ronnie never trains as heavy as he does for his videos. and that's no surprise, either, if he trained like he did in the videos he'd have torn even more muscles than he did. IN the damn videos he says he's never tried it before, so it's a safe bet that his 800x2 partial squat and his 800x2 strapped pull were the highest he ever tried.

by the way, what the hell does my old major in college have to do with anything?

Hit 814 . . . say who? Show us your source.

Th eBeef

if you can get your hands on it, in the june 2005 (i think) muscle and fitness, with the rock on the cover, they have a training article featuring Johnnie and some other dude back when they were NPC competitors. there is a photograph of johnnie hitting his 814 pull.

[Brutal_1]

And I won't bring up the height difference either 

[slaveboy1980]

Ronnie's 495 flat bench for 5 reps weren't full, but they very well could have been. He's training, so he doesn't bring the bar all the way up, but does touch his chest. Ronnie also pressed 200 lb dumbells like they were nothing.

JJ sturggles with 405 on the flat bench.

And if Ronnie can deadlift 800 pounds for a double with straps, then he should have been able to get atleast a single. His squats weren't bad, and of course they wouldn't pass in a musclebear pl meeting. But I'd call them for legit than any powerlifter's squats.. Pls have very wide stances and when they squat it looks as though they're doing good mornings.  

I just love how clows here come and say his lifts wouldn't do in a PL meeting. Well, as slaveboy pointed out, the way he(Ronnie) lifts is harder because he's trying to hit the muscles, and not arching his back, extending his belly and having 8 spotters help him like some asshole musclebear pl.

if ronnie had added explosive bench training and focused on improving technique in the bench he would have increased his bench numbers alot...certainly up to more than 600lbs. (without a bench shirt)

squats and deadlifts he would have been a monster at too. once again  add in some speed training and  some goodmornings and stuff like that; he would have been squatting insane numbers.

am i saying he would have been the strongest man in the world? no but elite world class powerlifter. no doubt in my mind. the only question mark is shirted benching.

[WJ_Harley]

if ronnie had added explosive bench training and focused on improving technique in the bench he would have increased his bench numbers alot...certainly up to more than 600lbs. (without a bench shirt)

squats and deadlifts he would have been a monster at too. once again  add in some speed training and  some goodmornings and stuff like that; he would have been squatting insane numbers.

am i saying he would have been the strongest man in the world? no but elite world class powerlifter. no doubt in my mind. the only question mark is shirted benching.

Ronnie would never have benched 600 without a shirt, not in a million years.

[MisterMagoo]

if ronnie had added explosive bench training and focused on improving technique in the bench he would have increased his bench numbers alot...certainly up to more than 600lbs. (without a bench shirt)

squats and deadlifts he would have been a monster at too. once again  add in some speed training and  some goodmornings and stuff like that; he would have been squatting insane numbers.

am i saying he would have been the strongest man in the world? no but elite world class powerlifter. no doubt in my mind. the only question mark is shirted benching.

whoa dude. whoa.

over 600 without a shirt is like over 900 on the deadlift. that's incredibly elite. you can say he'd be a great powerlifter, but to start thinking he'd be in the top 0.1% of powerlifters of all time is a bit of a stretch.

http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/records/600-pound-raw-bench-press

49 men of all time have hit a 600+ bench raw in a meet. "certainly over" 600 cuts that number in half. i think that's a bit much. i also just plain don't buy into this school of thought that he'd be that much stronger. maybe he's nearly tapped out strength-wise. who knows?

[Brutal_1]

Ronnie would never have benched 600 without a shirt, not in a million years.

See, now you're just ruining your own credibility by showing that you're nothing more than a "ronnie hater" 

[WJ_Harley]

Ronnie would OWN the National Quarter Rep Bodybuilding Lift Federation and set all time records.

[slaveboy1980]

Ronnie would never have benched 600 without a shirt, not in a million years.

its all speculation, but i believe he would have been able to do that.

[Brutal_1]

Ronnie would OWN the National Quarter Rep Bodybuilding Lift Federation and set all time records.

See, now you're just ruining your own credibility by showing that you're nothing more than a "ronnie hater"   

[Ex Coelis]

“I am not going to answer to this so-called court, out of respect for the truth and the will of the Iraqi people. ... I've said what I've said, and I'm not guilty.”

Matt C

[Brutal_1]

gayer than MATZI quotes becoming the inside jokes for "ignorant bliss" 

[slaveboy1980]

whoa dude. whoa.

over 600 without a shirt is like over 900 on the deadlift. that's incredibly elite. you can say he'd be a great powerlifter, but to start thinking he'd be in the top 0.1% of powerlifters of all time is a bit of a stretch.

http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/records/600-pound-raw-bench-press

49 men of all time have hit a 600+ bench raw in a meet. "certainly over" 600 cuts that number in half. i think that's a bit much. i also just plain don't buy into this school of thought that he'd be that much stronger. maybe he's nearly tapped out strength-wise. who knows?

i simply disagree. i think ronnie would have pulled 900 AND benched 600 with proper powerlifting training. his squat would have been huge too.

am i saying he would have set world records? nope not in any of the events.

[mesmorph78]

Okay, so JJ says he's stronger than Ronnie, right?  So JJ puts all his efforts into two lifts, bench and deads...right, for a 1RM all out??  We agree on that much right? 

So then here's Ronnie, normally training in the 12-15 rep range, NOT training for strength nor for a high 1RM and still doing 200lb db's on flat AND incline, shoulder pressing 160db's, front squating 585, squatting and deadlifting 800 lbs while low carbing and being 5 weeks from the O       


Dude...it's not even close!  Brian Dobson's right...IF Ronnie trained to lift the maximum amount of weight for one rep, and this was his entire goal, he WOULD be the strongest man in the world too! 

Have you seen JJ "rowing" with 315?!  LOLOLOLOL





gayer than thinking JJ's in the same league as Ronnie 

i agree here... johnny is nowhere near ronnie in his prime....
.. i dont even think johnie is the strongest bb now...
i just dont see him as this immensley strong guy .. they protray him to be.. and if people are going to try all pull numbers.. to say ronnie weighs more etc that means there a lot of stronger lighter guys out there than johnie.. . if we are using the bodyweight rule

[MisterMagoo]

i simply disagree. i think ronnie would have pulled 900 AND benched 600 with proper powerlifting training. his squat would have been huge too.

am i saying he would have set world records? nope not in any of the events.

dude, you realize that the number of guys who have pulled 900 is TWELVE?

there are 12 men who have pulled 900, 49 who have benched 600 raw and there is NO crossover between those lists. there is not one man in the history of powerlifting who has registered both a 900+ deadlift and a 600+ pound raw bench. so yes, claiming he would have those two is indeed saying he'd be setting world records.

[local hero]

id like to say,, britains eddy elwood pulled 900lbs and benched 600 for a british magazine shoot......

[slaveboy1980]

dude, you realize that the number of guys who have pulled 900 is TWELVE?

there are 12 men who have pulled 900, 49 who have benched 600 raw and there is NO crossover between those lists. there is not one man in the history of powerlifting who has registered both a 900+ deadlift and a 600+ pound raw bench. so yes, claiming he would have those two is indeed saying he'd be setting world records.

na he would still be a couple of hundred lbs away from the total world record. and he wouldnt set any individual records either.

also the shirted bench press is almost a different event compared to raw benching. i get the feeling ronnie wouldnt have been that good with a shirt.

[Camel Jockey]

Ronnie = strongest bodybuilder ever

JJ = third tier pro who's a good deadlifter

[WJ_Harley]

id like to say,, britains eddy elwood pulled 900lbs and benched 600 for a british magazine shoot......

[mesmorph78]

Ronnie = strongest bodybuilder ever

JJ = third tier pro who's a good deadlifter

agreed...
ive seen johnie struggle with 405 for 3 reps.... struggle badly

[local hero]

same eddy elwood that does worlds strongest man........ i'll try and find the mag and scan it

[slaveboy1980]

that list with the 49 people who have benched 600 raw is missing alot of names. granted some of them were not done in competition, but still the potential was there to do it in competition.

several strongmen could have entered a powerlifting meet and done 600 raw. samuelsson, savickas, katona etc

[pumpher]

Johnny probably lifts more than Ronnie when wearing a white thong suit 

[MisterMagoo]

na he would still be a couple of hundred lbs away from the total world record. and he wouldnt set any individual records either.

also the shirted bench press is almost a different event compared to raw benching. i get the feeling ronnie wouldnt have been that good with a shirt.

i would bet money that, had he trained PL'ing, he'd have maybe hit high 500s in the gym, but never logged a comp raw bench over 600. six plates i'm saying tops. deadlift, 850 or so and that's being generous since we've never seen him pull strapless.

he's very strong, would be stronger. not that high though.

[local hero]

looks like eddies on top then....

[chris_mason]

Eddie Ellwood is a strong mother.  He went on to compete as a professional strongman after his professional bodybuilding career.  I am not sure about a 900 lbs pull, but I know he was very strong.

Johhny Jackson is VERY strong.  There is no mistake.  Anyone that can pull over 800 lbs, and I have seen him do it in person, is VERY strong (world class strength).

I think Ronnie may have been capable of a 600 lbs raw bench with specific training.  I saw him easily handle 495 for reps in his video and he controlled the weight very well.   I think he was good for 520-530 lbs for a paused single at that time.