THIS "KID" GAVE IT HIS ALL!!! *PICS INSIDE*

[Brutal_1]

gayer than giving it all you've got  

[MuscleMcMannus]

Not necessarily. Rick Wayne said that Arnold had confided to him that he started taking steroids at 13. Yet Kurt Marnul said that Arnold started taking them at 15 when he introduced Arnold to 'em. So who the hell knows for sure.

Yes I've heard as young as 13 as well.  I'm more likely to believe 15-16.  Either way Arnold started using at a VERY young age.  He had to in order to achieve the physique he did at 18.  I mean to step on stage with pros like Chet Yorton at 18-19 years old?  Come on.  Hence why Arnold's "genetics" are overrated.  You take any fairly strong, well developed teenager and put em on dbol and primo or whatever else he used and he grows into a bodybuilder and of course society will think he's a genetic freak.  

[Army of One]

Gayer than posting pictures of teenage boys oiled up.

[Brutal_1]

gayer than the direction of this thread

[Pollux]

Yes I've heard as young as 13 as well.  I'm more likely to believe 15-16.  Either way Arnold started using at a VERY young age.  He had to in order to achieve the physique he did at 18.  I mean to step on stage with pros like Chet Yorton at 18-19 years old?  Come on.  Hence why Arnold's "genetics" are overrated.  You take any fairly strong, well developed teenager and put em on dbol and primo or whatever else he used and he grows into a bodybuilder and of course society will think he's a genetic freak.  

But you gotta admit, the drugs worked wonders for Arnold. He looked superb! Give someone the same shit and dosage Arnold took and no one will look like him - enter his genetics! 

[knny187]

gayer than goatboy

[JohnnyVegas]

But you gotta admit, the drugs worked wonders for Arnold. He looked superb! Give someone the same shit and dosage Arnold took and no one will look like him - enter his genetics! 

Lou looked pretty close to Arnold at the same age.........

Yes I've heard as young as 13 as well.  I'm more likely to believe 15-16.  Either way Arnold started using at a VERY young age.  He had to in order to achieve the physique he did at 18.  I mean to step on stage with pros like Chet Yorton at 18-19 years old?  Come on.  Hence why Arnold's "genetics" are overrated.  You take any fairly strong, well developed teenager and put em on dbol and primo or whatever else he used and he grows into a bodybuilder and of course society will think he's a genetic freak.  

Actually back then there was no "professional" BBing. The top BBer of the time period was Bill Pearl, and he could not make a living purely from BBing-so he opened gyms.

Arnold was the FIRST true BBer to earn a living purely from BBing and nothing else. He did guest posing, seminars, gym openings (he appeared at Clany Ross's gym opening in 1978) and had a fairly decent mail order business.

[Pollux]

Arnold was the FIRST true BBer to earn a living purely from BBing and nothing else.

Yeah. Sergio Oliva always sounded bitter about that.

[MuscleMcMannus]

But you gotta admit, the drugs worked wonders for Arnold. He looked superb! Give someone the same shit and dosage Arnold took and no one will look like him - enter his genetics! 

You missed what I said...Arnold was a fairly strong well developed teenager.  Arnold had a niche during his time...steroids were just on the scene and he was willing to take anything to get big....even as a teenager.  How many other teenagers had that passion?  Of course they didn't know the repercussions of such choices.  Yes he had good genetics but great genetics?  Hardly.  Look at Jay Cutler at 18.  He was nowhere near the development of Arnold at the same age.  If Jay would have used steroids at 15 or whatever would you say he was the most genetically gifted BBer of all time? 

[MuscleMcMannus]

Who's to say a Bill Pearl at 15 or a Steve Reeves at 15 wouldn't have been just as big or as massive as Arnold using steroids at that age?

[Method101]

But you gotta admit, the drugs worked wonders for Arnold.

[Pollux]

MuscleMcMannus, so you're just referring to as to WHEN Arnold was using steroids to look the way he did at the '66 NABBA Universe?

[MuscleMcMannus]

MuscleMcMannus, so you're just referring to as to WHEN Arnold was using steroids to look the way he did at the '66 NABBA Universe?

Huh?  What I'm saying is Arnold at age 18 stepped on stage with bodybuilders in their 30's.  How was this possible?  Did Chet Yorton take drugs at 15?  Of course not.  Arnold did.  Hence why Arnold was as big as he was at 18.  Why is that so hard to understand?  That doesn't take anything away from Arnold's drive or ambition, in fact it solidifies it.  Arnold would have done anything (and everyone) to reach his dream/goals.  And he did.  Good for him!  But he was no more a genetic freak than anyone he competed against.  Another rumor is Arnold had to take twice as many drugs as Sergio did during their competitive years.  Maybe it's just a stupid rumor like a lot of things but it would make sense.  Look at how much Arnold would shrink when he came off the drugs.  Did you ever see pictures of a "skinny" Bill pearl, Sergio Oliva?  No.  Arnold's genetics were above average but nothing more extravagant than anyone else he competed against.  So are you saying that Arnold using steroids at a young age didn't giv him a definitive edge?  LOL.  Even a young Serge Nubret at 18 didn't have the build i.e. size that Arnold did at 18 and I'd say Serge has much better genetics than Arnold ever could have had. 

[Pollux]

Even a young Serge Nubret at 18 didn't have the build i.e. size that Arnold did at 18 and I'd say Serge has much better genetics than Arnold ever could have had. 

[Moosejay]

easy now, just messin' with ya!

[Moosejay]

Yeah. Sergio Oliva always sounded bitter about that.

He STILL does. Pollux...don't bother buying his book...beyond readable

[Pollux]

He STILL does. Pollux...don't bother buying his book...beyond readable

Really? Well, I'm still gonna pick it up simply because I love Sergio.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Is Serge 18 in that pic?  I guess I'll eat my words! LOL He's fucking amazing! 

[Jeffro]

Serge's chest looks awesome in that shot

[Pollux]

In those pics, who do you think looks better - Serge or Arnold?

[Jeffro]

In those pics, who do you think looks better - Serge or Arnold?

Arnold's bigger and better

[MuscleMcMannus]

Arnold's bigger and better

Arnold has tiny triceps and no abs.  His traps are unimpressive as well.  Serge dominates Arnold's best body part i.e. his chest!  Serge's chest looks like it was fucking shrinkwrapped to his body.  Geez that's genetics for you. 

[JohnnyVegas]

Arnold has tiny triceps and no abs.  His traps are unimpressive as well.  Serge dominates Arnold's best body part i.e. his chest!  Serge's chest looks like it was fucking shrinkwrapped to his body.  Geez that's genetics for you. 

NO ONE "dominates" Arnold's chest...... Sergio is not even close.

[Jeffro]

You need to take into account that Serge is 9 years older than Arnold, so he has the advantage in this young Arnold shot

Arnold's chest at his best blows Serge's away

[JohnnyVegas]

Is Serge 18 in that pic?  I guess I'll eat my words! LOL He's fucking amazing! 

No shit! Amazing!

Serge's chest looks awesome in that shot

Serge's chest is amazing!

Arnold's bigger and better

Not in that pic....Serge has Arnold, except for Biceps.

You need to take into account that Serge is 9 years older than Arnold, so he has the advantage in this young Arnold shot

Arnold's chest at his best blows Serge's away

Serge is 9 years older?? They both look the same age-like 16 or 17 y/o.

Arnold's chest in his prime is better than Serge's chest, but I would not say Arnold "blows Serge away", these are two of the best BBer's in history-no one blows their doors off.